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post #3496 of 8631
my magni/modi arrived, i went the monoprice route but i'm not sure that was a good idea as i'm having problems with the rca cables not connecting well, then again i did get way too long ones.. might just go ahead and get the expensive ass schitt ones.

as i mentioned previously, i was using a basic dell computer speaker unit connecting headphones to pc. (which sounded great to me/nice bass, slow and romantic)
i don't think i'm a person that's initially big on change as i rarely like something right away.

proven again haha.

so far i'm not feeling this set up all that much, it's such a different sound than what i was experiencing previously where a few posts back i was talking about the romance of it, etc... i feel like the romance is no more with the magni/modi, where did it go? my romantic slow dance!
it's definitely an interesting sound, just so different... alot of the bass seems to have left me.. however, and it's faster/more energetic which isn't the sound i was wanting really.

this is the first real amp/dac i've ever heard in my life so maybe i just don't know how to process it, one thing i found interesting is like before when i heard a number of songs there was a whisper in the backround sort of like a chorus and with the amp it actually was louder vocals which completely shifted the song from what i was used to with barely being able to hear that backround whisper in the past, funny that i thought it was meant to be whispers and not heard.
everything seems to have more presence/energy similarly.

not bad, just different and confusing hah.
going to have to spend more time with it.
it's possibly after i adjust to the change and spend more time that i'll like it alot more.

but...

i have a feeling i will need to go in a different direction at some point soon though.. does anyone know of a dac/amp that's completely different in sound to this and keeping more of a romantic/slower experience. (just in case)
like around $200-250
i'm not good with diy stuff in this field.
Edited by Nowhere - 7/12/13 at 6:00pm
post #3497 of 8631
I also didn't like the pairing of the m&m stack w/ the hd600. I found the magni a little too bright/thin. I've tried a couple of other amps, o2 and my darkvoice 336 w/ the modi. I loved it paired with the tube amp and the o2 was better than the magni. It's a bit more flat making it a little warmer/natural sounding. Modi & darkvoice is just amazing sounding. redface.gif
post #3498 of 8631
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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

I also didn't like the pairing of the m&m stack w/ the hd600. I found the magni a little too bright/thin. I've tried a couple of other amps, o2 and my darkvoice 336 w/ the modi. I loved it paired with the tube amp and the o2 was better than the magni. It's a bit more flat making it a little warmer/natural sounding. Modi & darkvoice is just amazing sounding. redface.gif

wish you told me that before i bought them. tongue.gifbiggrin.gif
a tube is probably more likely to be the sound experience i desire as i hear descriptions of them as lush/romantic which is what i seek but i've avoided the idea due to the "diy" "tube rolling" and all of those complicated things.

would it be possible to simply buy the darkvoice and not doing anything else, not touching it or doing any work with it just plugging it in and forgetting about it for a long time?
$300 though, that's almost as much as i paid for the headphones! haha. but i'm feeling crazy enough to consider giving it a try. maaaaybe.
i'm not the type to sell things or return things usually so if i don't start liking this magni/modi i'm basically at a loss of the money and then adding the new purchase into it that's starting to be aloooooot of cash. redface.gif
Edited by Nowhere - 7/12/13 at 6:34pm
post #3499 of 8631
Sorry, I just got the stack myself late last week. biggrin.gif Spent the past week swapping gear around. Unfortunately, no. The 336se's stock tube sucks but you can get a good set sounding set for 20-30 more. RCA 6as7 is good and cheap, you can find them on ebay for 10-15. Same with the 6sn7 RCAs so it's not that much extra.
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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

Sorry, I just got the stack myself late last week. biggrin.gif Spent the past week swapping gear around. Unfortunately, no. The 336se's stock tube sucks but you can get a good set sounding set for 20-30 more. RCA 6as7 is good and cheap, you can find them on ebay for 10-15. Same with the 6sn7 RCAs so it's not that much extra.

that's where the problem becomes, i can have horrible luck at times i just have a feeling if i tried to manually switch out the tube or whatever that something bad would come of it.
i mean just trying to connect these rca cables on the magni/modi i feel like i'm almost breaking it and probably will if i keep messing with it.
if i'm paying money i don't want to also have to do work on the darn thing, plug and play is what i like.
if i could find a good tube you could simply buy it and plug and play, simple... i'd probably be on it.
Edited by Nowhere - 7/12/13 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by Nowhere View Post

i have a feeling i will need to go in a different direction at some point soon though.. does anyone know of a dac/amp that's completely different in sound to this and keeping more of a romantic/slower experience. (just in case)
like around $200-250
i'm not good with diy stuff in this field.

Audio-gd NFB-15.32. USD 235 + postage. Twin WM8741. Full-bodied DAC. Pretty powerful SS amp section. You can also isolate the DAC and add a tube amp later so you get best of both worlds.

http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFB15.32/NFB15.32EN.htm
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

Audio-gd NFB-15.32. USD 235 + postage. Twin WM8741. Full-bodied DAC. Pretty powerful SS amp section. You can also isolate the DAC and add a tube amp later so you get best of both worlds.

http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFB15.32/NFB15.32EN.htm

i was actually strongly considering that.. what put me off was the 36 or so shipping and that it's from china as that could provide complications and the cheaper price overall swayed me to the m/m.
kind of wishing now i went with it but such is life, live and learn.

what's the sound type on it though? is it more slow, romantic, lush, and bass? or more like this fast energy, not much bass and i guess "bright" is the word used also to describe this m/m sound also.
Edited by Nowhere - 7/12/13 at 7:07pm
post #3503 of 8631

Honestly, I feel like a broken record sometimes - instead of trying to fix headphones you don't like, just get headphones you do like.

 

In your case, the HD650 sounds like a much better choice.

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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Honestly, I feel like a broken record sometimes - instead of trying to fix headphones you don't like, just get headphones you do like.

In your case, the HD650 sounds like a much better choice.

but i like the headphones, as i stated when i was using a simple set up with a dell computer speaker unit and it had a romantic, slow.. embryonic bass sound to it i enjoyed the experience very much.
so... wouldn't that be more of non headphone issue? if the headphone put out a sound experience that i liked alot using a cheap dell speaker unit then surely it could provide a similar and better experience with the right amp/dac, no?
also i thought the hd600 was more on the romantic/lush/slow side than the 650?
post #3505 of 8631
I suspect the headphone sounded like that because the Dell speaker jack has a high output impedance and/or insufficient power. Basically, you were using an inadequate amplifier that distorted the sound. Now that your 600's are properly amped, you are hearing their "true" sound.

You know the sound you like, so your choices are to either find a headphone with a similar signature or find another amp that distorts the HD600 in the same manner as your Dell speaker plug. A third option, I suppose, is to just go back to using your computer speaker plug.
Edited by palmfish - 7/12/13 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I suspect the headphone sounded like that because of poor damping of the driver and/or insufficient power. Basically, you were using an inadequate amplifier. Now that your 600's are properly amped, you are hearing their "true" sound.

haha probably so, that's funny that i would find more enjoyment in a more "broken" state of it, so to speak. biggrin.gif
i suspected the same actually, in that it created a strange effect through that by making it slower and perhaps some distortion as well which created that sound i was experiencing
but yeah i think you could be correct there but at the same time i don't know if that rules out the fact that a different amp/dac than the magni/modi could give it a similar sound to that in which i seek.

i mean is this 1 single sound with the magni/modi it's "true" sound, afterall? it's the only real amp/dac i've heard it on beyond that previous mentioned distorted, broken state.

if so then the idea of desiring a different pair of headphones would probably be true, or i could revert back to that broken, distorted state of things hehe.
Edited by Nowhere - 7/12/13 at 7:33pm
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A similar thing happens when people buy a big new HDTV and get it calibrated. They are so used to bright sharp vivid colors that their TV looks dim and blurry after calibration. After a few days though, they become accustomed to it and then when they see what it used to look like, they cant believe they ever tolerated it.

You should live with the Schiit gear for a few days. You are hearing "better" sound now - you just arent used to it. See if it grows on you before you go back.
Edited by palmfish - 7/12/13 at 7:37pm
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The 650 is definitely more "lush" than the 600. The point made here is that every piece of the chain can affect the rest. The M&M to me is a better match for the 650. It is a little on the bright side for the 600.

There is also the matter of training your ears to hear things. It takes some time to learn exactly what you are hearing and what you want to hear. I would recommend "practicing" listen to every type of music, listen to other phones and amps. Teach your brain what make things sound different and then you can decide what it is that you actually like and in the process you will learn what combinations of gear will get you there.
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

A similar thing happens when people buy a big new HDTV and get it calibrated. They are so used to bright sharp vivid colors that their TV looks dim and blurry after calibration. After a few days though, they become accustomed to it and then when they see what it used to look like, they cant believe they ever tolerated it.

You should live with the Schiit gear for a few days. You are hearing "better" sound now - you just arent used to it. See if it grows on you before you go back.

fair enough, thanks for the input.
i do greatly love slower, distorted sounds though, so it's possible that i just greatly enjoy that type of sound experience that was being created with the scenario of everything coming together in that way.
i like the way vhs looks for example due to the slightly distorted view which i would prefer over the crystal clear look of some of these high definition tv pictures alot of the time.
similarly i'd prefer shoegazer distortion over a overly manufactured crisp and clear pop song.

but you're also very correct in needing time to adjust to things as initially i mentioned, usually when something is newer i won't like it until i adapt and adjust.
i'll allow things to unfold naturally and see what happens.
Edited by Nowhere - 7/12/13 at 7:54pm
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Wise decision in my opinion. biggrin.gif
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