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post #3451 of 8295
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Can someone who has owned both the HD650 and HD600 tell me if the HD600 can be EQ to have as much bass as the HD650?

 

From what I have read they are essentially the same headphones just marginally different, with the HD600 having slightly less mid bass and slightly more upper midrange and upper treble....

 

I was thinking of getting some HD600 as I found the HD650 a bit too warm and slow for me, but I would not want any less bass than the HD650.

 

I've seen some FR charts showing greater HD650 bass, but frankly, I find it hard to believe.  I've owned both at the same time (before selling the 650), and to my ears the bass ran lower (Frequency) and truer with the HD600.  The HD650 didn't go as low but had an exaggerated mid-bass FR hump, and rolled off highs.   I would bet you could EQ the HD600 to sound much like the 650, but why would you want to?

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I've seen some FR charts showing greater HD650 bass, but frankly, I find it hard to believe.  I've owned both at the same time (before selling the 650), and to my ears the bass ran lower (Frequency) and truer with the HD600.  The HD650 didn't go as low but had an exaggerated mid-bass FR hump, and rolled off highs.   I would bet you could EQ the HD600 to sound much like the 650, but why would you want to?

 

I wouldn't.... I am thinking about getting some HD600 because they look a bit faster and more fun than the HD650 (less dark and slow)... But I would not want to have less (sub) bass than the HD650 which hardly have that much already and roll off very fast after about 40hz.

 

Was just wondering as they are practically the same headphone anyway, if you can EQ the bass to have as much output as the HD650... For example if you EQ everything on the bass <80hz on the HD650 by 6db and then do the same on the HD600 but by 9db... Will they basically sound the same eg. not distorted and same volume bass. On the FR graph it looks like they are very similar just about 3db less on the HD600 bass.


Edited by nicholars - 7/8/13 at 4:40am
post #3453 of 8295
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

 

Was just wondering as they are practically the same headphone anyway, if you can EQ the bass to have as much output as the HD650... For example if you EQ everything on the bass <80hz on the HD650 by 6db and then do the same on the HD600 but by 9db... Will they basically sound the same eg. not distorted and same volume bass. On the FR graph it looks like they are very similar just about 3db less on the HD600 bass.

 

Yes, you should be able to get the exact same volume of sub-bass by EQ'ing the HD600 to match the HD650 and no you will not have any issues with distortion when you are doing that, as I mentioned above, so long as you use a good EQ and do it properly (nothing over 0 db so you don't get clipping).

 

As I mentioned, I haven't heard the HD650 yet but from everything I've read I think you're overestimating the difference in bass between the HD650 and HD600. Although both roll off somewhat in the sub-bass (almost all dynamic headphones do) they still do have sub-bass, and quality sub-bass at that, and can be EQ'd to have *a lot* of sub-bass with no distortion.

post #3454 of 8295
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post


Was just wondering as they are practically the same headphone anyway, if you can EQ the bass to have as much output as the HD650...

 

Should be quite easy to do so - As far as I am able to judge it's not that the HD650 has a lot more bass than the HD600, but rather that the 600 has less rolled off treble, which in turn will make the bass seem less prominent. Meaning, that lowering the treble and perhaps slightly boosting the bass on the HD600 should make it sound almost identical to the HD650 - the two are very similar to begin with, at least that's my perception. People tend to exaggerate differences between audio gear in order to better point out their impressions, but usually the differences are quite small indeed.

post #3455 of 8295

Thanks for the replies, I have my suspicions that in recent revisions they are basically the same headphones with very minor differences....

 

Anyway I think I will get some HD600 this time instead of another pair of HD650.... Hopefully the slightly less lower mids and more upper mids will make them a bit faster and more fun sounding, whilst still having the nice qualities of the HD650.

 

Makes me think why do people buy the HD650 and then spend another £150 on a cable to (supposedly) make it brighter when they could just buy the HD600? More money than sense maybe tongue_smile.gif


Edited by nicholars - 7/8/13 at 9:18am
post #3456 of 8295

I sorta liked the HD 650 and I love the HD 600.

 

The subtle difference makes the HD 600 not nearly as sleepy sounding as the HD 650 to me.

 

I don't really understand why the going price of the HD 650 is +$100 over the HD 600. I know the drivers are different but I question if the HD 650 is really the "better" one.

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I sorta liked the HD 650 and I love the HD 600.

 

The subtle difference makes the HD 600 not nearly as sleepy sounding as the HD 650 to me.

 

I don't really understand why the going price of the HD 650 is +$100 over the HD 600. I know the drivers are different but I question if the HD 650 is really the "better" one.

 

Yes I have heard this enough times from different people now that I will be getting the HD600 next time. Tired of buying a returning FOTM headphones, I think I will just get some that I already know I like! Just need some D5000 as well and I will be sorted :D

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I think the 650 needs a relatively powerful amp with very low output impedance to "grip" the bass and bring out the treble. The 600, being "tuned" more neutral (in my opinion) is less "picky" of amplification.

 

I owned the 650 for a while and never could get it to sound right to me. I traded it for a 600 and was very happy with it. The 650 isn't an "upgrade" at all from the 600, it's more of a lateral move - dark chocolate vs. milk chocolate (both high quality from Switzerland, or course!).

 

Funny you mention the D5000. After living with my HD600 for a while, I started wanting more visceral bass punch. EQ for me only did so much, increasing bass quantity but not quality. I ended up moving over to the D7000 and was very happy with the switch. The D7000 was tonally very similar to the HD600 to me, and the bass was out of this world (ultimately too much for me, actually). In retrospect, between the HD650, HD600, and D7000, I think I would stick with the HD600 if I could do it all over again.

 

The Denon did have the advantage of being much less "picky" of upstream gear and is a much prettier phone.

post #3459 of 8295

I think I will get some HD600 for now to go with my UE6000 and when I have the money I will get some better closed headphones, D5000 or TH-600 maybe, not sure what other closed headphones are actually good really. The HD6xx headphones are classics though and I have not tried another headphone (out of quite a lot I have tried) which can produce such a natural and smooth sound. The amount of money I have spent buying and returning headphones I could have probably got some high end ones by now! oh well lol.

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Interesting. I didn't own the D7000 at the same time as the HD 600, but I was really bothered by what I perceived to be a sucked-out midrange relative to my ATH-W3000ANV. Going from Audio Technicas to Sennheisers didn't pose nearly as drastic/obvious of a change in midrange presence.

 

I make my decisions based on listening to an upstream that is as linear as possible, so I couldn't bring myself to jump to the HD 650 + Bottlehead Crack (et alia) bandwagon(s).

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Ive heard people describe the Denon's as having sucked out midrange but I didn't hear them that way. I think they are definitely "U" shaped though, with the mids being "flat" relative to the rest of the curve, which probably gives that impression.

 

Ive never heard the AT's so I can't comment on that comparison.

 

I do think the HD650 if driven by an amp like the Benchmark DAC1 (powerful and "clinical" with basically zero Z) would sound outstanding. I never tried the combo so I can't confirm.

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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post

Interesting. I didn't own the D7000 at the same time as the HD 600, but I was really bothered by what I perceived to be a sucked-out midrange relative to my ATH-W3000ANV. Going from Audio Technicas to Sennheisers didn't pose nearly as drastic/obvious of a change in midrange presence.

 

Wow, the ATH-W3000ANV must *really* have forward mids then. I don't think its a stretch to say that the HD600 is downright in-your-face in the mids with recordings where the mids are already somewhat forward. At the same time it also makes the presentation sound more center-heavy and therefore perceived as somewhat congested at times. There are definitely times when the HD600's mids are a bit too forward for me and I wish they weren't so much so (that doesn't happen much, but from time to time).

 

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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Ive heard people describe the Denon's as having sucked out midrange but I didn't hear them that way. I think they are definitely "U" shaped though, with the mids being "flat" relative to the rest of the curve, which probably gives that impression.

 

Well to be fair, a U shaped signature where the bass and treble are at higher amplitudes than the mids is the precise definition of recessed mids. ;) Whether or not they are "too recessed" or "sucked out" is a matter of preference but a U or V signature == recessed mids so I'm not surprised he found them a bit sucked out. That isn't to say that the mids aren't *good*, its merely a fact of the frequencies' amplitude levels. Anyone who prefers forward mids will likely find the mids in U or V shaped cans to be sucked out.

post #3463 of 8295

The D5000 is actually better for the mids.

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Bought these quite recently for the office and I have to say the 600 are brilliant for classical, orchestral music. I have tried vastly more expensive phones but these shine with that genre more than what I have ever tried, because they are ....romantic. Not the most impressive soundstage, technically could be better in most aspects, but the 600 are simply addicting and immersive for hours and hours because the mids are fantastic yet not unpleasant.

 

Also, two good features that these have and practically everyone overlook are comfort and prolonged usage. I can wear and listen to these for hours and hours, which is quite rare in proper high quality anything.

 

Finally, a good reason why I bought these is the interwebz said they work ok with all sorts of song/file quality, even youtube and radio, and all genres. That does hold true, and to me it does matter since no one on his right mind would stop listening to those because he can't bear listening to anything that is less than lossless or that the headphones aren't made for. The 600 are simple and almost always do the job; they don't even need much amplification nor huge (as in big) external hardware for dac/amp.

 

On the negative side, the 600 aren't brilliant for metal (except Pantera, for some reason) and in the end they are a jack of all trades, master of none. These are spectacular for the usage I bought them for, if not the very best choice in the market no matter price range, but if you want to use your headphones for home, occasional listening and want to hear a particular genre more than the other, then go for something else (depending on budget). For what I wanted the only contender I can think of would have to be considerably more expensive, especially considering amplification, such as the HE-500, and even then those are quite heavy


Edited by avens - 7/8/13 at 3:11pm
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Bought these quite recently for the office and I have to say the 600 are brilliant for classical, orchestral music. I have tried vastly more expensive phones but these shine with that genre more than what I have ever tried, because they are ....romantic. Not the most impressive soundstage, technically could be better in most aspects, but the 600 are simply addicting and immersive for hours and hours because the mids are fantastic yet not unpleasant.

 

Also, two good features that these have and practically everyone overlook are comfort and prolonged usage. I can wear and listen to these for hours and hours, which is quite rare in proper high quality anything.

 

Finally, a good reason why I bought these is the interwebz said they work ok with all sorts of song/file quality, even youtube and radio, and all genres. That does hold true, and to me it does matter since no one on his right mind would stop listening to those because he can't bear listening to anything that is less than lossless or that the headphones aren't made for. The 600 are simple and almost always do the job; they don't even need much amplification nor huge (as in big) external hardware for dac/amp.

 

On the negative side, the 600 aren't brilliant for metal (except Pantera, for some reason) and in the end they are a jack of all trades, master of none. These are spectacular for the usage I bought them for, if not the very best choice in the market no matter price range, but if you want to use your headphones for home, occasional listening and want to hear a particular genre more than the other, then go for something else (depending on budget). For what I wanted the only contender I can think of would have to be considerably more expensive, especially considering amplification, such as the HE-500, and even then those are quite heavy

 

 

Good post. I agree in the fact that with it's exceptional, well-balanced sound signature, you can't really go wrong with it. It's a great all-rounder at a good price (if you buy second-hand, that is). It's one of those headphones, that if you were only to own one pair, these would be the best choice. Either that or the HE500s, since the sound signatures of both fare well with any genre and are inoffensive.

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