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post #3391 of 8011

your advice worked out well, the comfort level has been alot better.

i'm not sure if it's just mine or what but they don't go directly down in a straight line but sort of sway slightly and so i had to pull the slider to almost maximum and put the top of the headphone in a different position to where it would fit my ears properly compared to how i had them before which was based on how i would wear a normal shaped headphone.

it's worked wonders, took alot of the pressure off and not alot of irritation either.
 

post #3392 of 8011

if you have the hd600 on, check this song out!

bjork sounds so good on the 600, i've listened to so much bjork.. basically a marathon of nothing but bjork last night.

the guitars are so awesome on this...

it would be cool if we put like our top 5 songs we've heard on the 600 that we think sound awesome linked to youtube some day... just to hear what people were loving on them.

not sure which one i would pick this or "all is full of love" that i linked earlier.

post #3393 of 8011

Hey I live in Pittsburgh PA and we don't really have any headphone stores for miles. The best we have is a home audio at best buy. So I was thinking of purchasing the hd 600. I have no idea how comfortable they were but I heard they can be a little uncomfortable. Best buy doesn't have the hd 600 but they do have the hd 558. I found the hd 558 fairly comfortable. How is the comfort of the hd 600 vs the hd 558?

post #3394 of 8011
Similar, the 600 clamps a little harder when new but loosens with time. The 600 earpads are a bit softer. Overall, Id say if you like the 558 then you'll like the 600.

Did you listen to the 558? Im a former 600 owner and Im very happy with my 558.
post #3395 of 8011
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Similar, the 600 clamps a little harder when new but loosens with time. The 600 earpads are a bit softer. Overall, Id say if you like the 558 then you'll like the 600.

Did you listen to the 558? Im a former 600 owner and Im very happy with my 558.

Agree wholeheartedly with this. When you first put the 600 on your head you do tend to think phuar this has got a bit of a clamp. But after about 15 minutes things tend to loosen up and it becomes very comfortable. You don't overly notice it at all. I actually enjoy wearing them haha I have come from a Hifiman He-400 though and that was quite uncomfortable. 

post #3396 of 8011

Even when my 600s were new I didn't notice a tight clamping force. Maybe I have a small head but I would have thought it was about average.

 

The 558 I bought for my friend were tighter and slightly less comfortable than my 600s but my 600s are ~ 1 year old and the 558s were new. Well they were refurbished but like-new in every way.

 

Personally I don't see how you could have comfort issues with the 600s unless you just have comfort issues with *all* headphones. Or I guess if your head is a lot bigger than the majority of headphone users. Most full size cans with velour pads are very comfortable and the 600s are the most comfortable of the ones I've tried with my DT880 Pros a very close second. Now with those I could see someone complaining about clamping force. But pretty much all headbands will loosen up over time.

 

Overall the HD600 is about as comfortable as you could ever expect a pair of headphones to be IMO.


Edited by devhen - 6/24/13 at 9:30pm
post #3397 of 8011

It actually does have a somewhat significant clamping force if you have a larger than medium head. I used to alleviate this by extending the headband farther out than what would give me a snug fit.

 

My Asgard should be here tomorrow. I can't wait to hear the pairing again.

post #3398 of 8011

Long winded and unprofessional impression of HD600 with some comparison to the He-400

This is the first time I have given impressions on an audio product so please forgive me if I misinterpret some terms.

These are based purely on my experience with these two headphones and please keep in mind it is very subjective.

Thanks and try to enjoy :)

 

Finished finals today. Have spent about 5 hours with the HD600's today just chillin. This is just some initial impressions. 

 

First off I'm going to say I was rather hesitant about buying these headphones.I had recently purchased the Hifiman He-400's, and while I very much enjoyed the SQ on those i found them far too cumbersome and uncomfortable. This was most likely due to the weight of the cans and lack of cushioning on the headband (which you can buy cushioning for). I also found that the velour cups didn't form a precise seal on my head which i suspect really didn't help with the bass. 

 

My preferences for headphones have to date been a rather bright sound signature. I was brought up on a healthy dose of AD900's and i freakin loved the comfort they offered. The bass was a bit lack lustre. This was my incentive for searching for a new headphone. 

 

I read a lot about the Hd600 and was struck curious by the sound signature that it offered. A much more natural sounding headphone, with a mid emphasis. This was most definitely different from my normal tastes. I demo'd a HD600 at a friends and was really quite unimpressed. I have a feeling that something was up with his setup (he was running a Matrix M stage amp and dac combo which i suspect was not genuine, as were his various headphones). 

 

Still after a lot of trawling through forums, friendly help from the lovely folk here, and a nice discount from the local audio store I made my purchase.

 

Packaging:

Quite impressed with the packaging truth be told. It has the feel of a quality product. It comes enclosed in a hefty black box with metal clasps. To open the lid has the feeling of opening the lid on high fidelity music. There on a foam bed lie the HD600's with an instruction manual on top. 

 

Build Quality & Appearance:

Straight out of the box the build quality seems solid. The first thing that struck me was the 'marble' design. From pictures I was anxious to see what it looked like in person. I had a bad feeling it would look tacky and cheap but this was not the case. You can immediately appreciate the build of the headphones, the marble finish is actually quite sophisticated. 

Coming from the Hifimans I was quite suprised at the comparative light weight of these cans. They really don't weigh much. 

 

Comfort: 

When I first put these on I was a bit taken aback at the clamp. I have a medium sized head (i would like to think) and the force was quite apparent. I was told however this would ease with time and it has. I have had these headphones on for the past four hours straight and they are sitting very nicely. They stay firmly in position if i say feel the need to bob my head vigorously, which is quite a bonus if you like to have a bit of head on forearm desk listening time. With the hifimans they would immediately slide out of place and I would be constantly needing to adjust them. Given time these headphones seem to adjust and stretch naturally to your head. 

 

Sound Quality:

First impressions:

That Sennheiser veil. It had to be mentioned. This was one thing that I was again anxious about. I like my music to be upfront and alive, not be distanced. Having listened to the Hifimans for a few weeks I had gotten used to that sound signature. If theres anyway to describe the Hifiman's in one word it would be 'alive'. Music on the hifiman's sound almost electric, very energetic and present. I enjoyed it. When I loaded up 'Beast' by Nico Vega the very first chord was like two cymbals crashing together at the center of your head. That was one of the moments where my eyes widened, I sat back and went 'huh... that.... sounds *******... awesome.' I have come to understand that this is a characteristic of the planar technology in the Hifiman's. To give a quick quick summation the sound signature I would describe as being present and alive if one can use those terms. The high's are good, the mids are a bit recessed from what I could tell, and the bass is pretty good. I was however a tad dissapointed with them as I was led to believe the bass would be something that it clearly was not. When users describe the bass as 'phenomenal' I expected it to be super impactful, deep and rumbly, almost visceral. This was not the case and I unfortunately regarded the Hifimans as having not met my expectations. Despite this the bass was deep and quick, it made rock music sound awesome whenever a snare was present. After listening to the Hifiman's for more than half an hour things tend to, for me, get a bit uncomfortable. The weight of the headphone caused strain on my head and having to constantly readjust the strap was a bit of a pain. I also found that despite the comfort factors my ears started to get quite fatigued from the headphone itself. 

 

Now back to the Senn's. As a comparison when I first started listening I was a bit shocked and intrigued by what I was hearing. There was none of this excessive 'im alive' sound coming from the music anymore. It sounded different, and in a good way. To put it bluntly it sounded the way it was supposed to sound. I then realized that what I was hearing on the Hifiman's was really something that I didn't overly care for. They did sound good but in comparison to the HD600's they sound a bit fake and overemphasized. I would liken it to getting a new girlfriend, and finding out that your recent ex had fake boobs, and your current gf had the real deal. For some reason they just seem better. This was really a turning point for me in appreciating a different sounding headphone. While i did enjoy the bright sounding headphones I found an immense pleasure in the reality of the Senn's. Listening to music the way it was meant to sound without any artificial meddling to accommodate the 'mass audience'. By this I mean the treble centric and bass heavy headphones that seem to popular these days......coughbeatscoughcough. 

 

Highs-

As I have previously mentioned I am or was a fan of bright headphones. I liked hearing that sparkling treble as I listen to a lot of female vocals. I was absolutely terrified that I would lose that sparkle and a lot of my music would lose that magical allure that sends shivers down your whole body. The infamous sennheiser veil was something of a dealbreaker for me. I am very happy to report that the highs on the sennhieser while not able to be as in your face as other bright headphones (a good thing it turns out) does a remarkable job. 

 

Mids-

Now. This is what really suprised me. The HD600's have changed my perception of what I consider sounding 'good'. I listened to a lot of music that centered around mid's. One track that I thoroughly enjoyed listening to was 'Iron Man' by Nico Vega. That whole album in my opinion is very well recorded. The guitar, piano, pipes(organ?) that come in half way through the song redefined my perception of good music. It was also conincidentally the moment where I knew I would not be getting rid of my HD600's for a very. very long time. The HD600's seem to bring the mid's forward a tad, it makes male vocals standout a lot more which I find pleasant. Michael Buble has never sounded better. One thing I will note, and I can't say for sure. Is that it really depends on the quality and recording of the source as to how much these come through. For Buble's music his voice is very prevelant, if it was any more so it would be in danger of becoming uncomfortable. When I switch to Tool however the whole band seems to have taken a step back from the microphone, sounding ever so slightly distant and far away. 

 

Bass-

The bass was something I was not expecting to impress me. The Hifiman's were allegedly a bassier headphone both in regards to the quantity, impact and depth. I have a feeling people will have very different opinions as to which bass sounds better. The bass on the Senn's in comparison with no EQ has roughly the same quantity with a marginal amount more impact which I would I would say comes to its alleged slightly boosted mid bass. I would say that in general the bass does not extend to the depths of sub bass that the 400's can (Pun. Bet that's never been used before). There are moments when you are listening to some recordings when the Senn's delight the socks off you with some rather visceral subbass. You kinda just sit there thinking where.... the fudge did that come from. Despite the inconsistency in subbass I do find it more enjoyable than the 400's. The impact is greater and that really does add a lot of value to music for me. Whether it be Part of Me by Katy Perry or Flume's latest album (which sounds freakin dope by the way. If you own the HD600's please give it a listen. It is fantastic). The bass never ever overpowers the rest of the frequencies and is very consistent. If a song calls for an appropriate amount of bass it will deliver, if it doesn't then no bass for you. 

 

Equalisation-

These headphones... LOVE EQ'd bass. While I love the natural sound they produce 90% of the time. Increasing the bottom two frequencies in the STX centre releases the inner bass head. For stuff like flume or Mt Eden Dub where just a touch more bass really does add a lot to the music its incredible. Just bumping up the frequencies makes the Senn's breathe new life into the bass. The impact becomes a lot greater and the subbass more prevalent (although not greatly so). What is best is that in doing this, it doesn't mess with the rest of the frequencies. No distortion, no nothing. With the 400's I couldn't increase the bass without the rest of the spectrum suffering a noticeable amount. 

 

Gaming-

I'm a competitive gamer. Not professionally but I play a lot of FPS to the point where if I'm not in the top 3 I'd be dissappointed. With my current soundcard the Asus Essence STX I find the game and EAX settings completely useless. Not to say they don't work, but they don't work with the Senn's. Once you activate them positioning becomes completely indistinguishable. Sounds become muddied and it sounds like its all coming from center stage. If you keep the HQ option ticked where the source is the cleanest you can get a fairly good idea of where things are. Not pinpoint accuracy by any means but you can get the general gist of where things are coming from. For non competitive I jammed some Mass Effect 3. Focussing just on the audio experience the Senn's do a good job. The mids do a good job of making dialogue clear and the overall experience is pretty flawless. Only option I could mention is again upping the two lower frequencies a tad. Just allows for a more immersive experience. 

 

Just as a note, if you are planning on getting the 600's the source and recording of your music will impact on you're listening experience.

Also as much as I may have whinged about the Hifimans the SQ is still stellar. A great headphone and the after sales service at Head Direct was nothing short of spectacular. After a month of owning the 400's and finally (and at the time slightly begrudgingly) returning them, Head Direct had no problems with extending that two weeks when I was due to travel to HK so I could avoid the rather steep return shipping fee. If you find the Hifiman's comfortable (or perhaps invest in the cushioned pad if you don't) they would be a fantastic addition to any headphone collection. 

 

To finish I will say this. The HD600's have redefined my perception of quality audio. Whilst i was previously a pure bass and treble fan the HD600's have grown on me at a lightning rate. The detailed an prominent mids have made music I have loved that much more enjoyable and that really is priceless for me. Best of all In the hour it took me to write this, I have listened to a large portion of a Tool album, with this being the 5th consecutive hour of wearing the 600's. I have absolutely no fatigue and have no need to readjust them. I may as well sleep with them on.

 

Apologies for the poor grammar and spelling errors but it is now 3am. Bloody Sennheisers. 

 

Edit: My above impressions were devised while mainly listening to these albums

Inception sountrack- Hans Zimmer

Nico Vega - Nico Vega

Mt Eden Album- Mt Eden Dubstep

Beethoven, The very best of Beethoven- Beethoven (herpa derp)

Fellowship of the Ring- Howard Shore (Bridge of Khazad Dum is a really awesome one to listen to. Man of Steel trailer song)

Perfect Day- Lou Reed

Flume

Sigh No More- Mumford and Sons

It's Time Michael Buble

Lateralus- Tool


Edited by mink42 - 6/25/13 at 8:22am
post #3399 of 8011

Nice review, mink.  I too am a bit of a treble-head (too much listening to bookshelf speakers) and was a bit weary of the so-called veil.  I listen to the HD-600's out of an 18-year-old Onkyo receiver which I have always perceived to be on the smooth side (in a good way).

 

When I put on the Senns, I find that I do perceive the "veil" for about the first 15 minutes.  Then somehow it feels like the veil has lifted right off and there is no lack of brightness.  Maybe my ears need the 15 minutes to adjust to the neutral SS, compared to what I remember coming out of mediocre equipment.  Maybe my mind needs to immerse itself in the music after a long day (I usually listen to them in the evening).  Maybe the old Onkyo needs the warm up.  Or maybe it's a combination of the above.

 

Then again, I've only had them for a couple of weeks.  Right now I'm having a fun time breaking them (i.e. my ears) in with Mozart, Sabbath, Pink Floyd, Wagner, etc.  I love how they pull the mids forward - music sounds quite different when you can hear rhythm guitars, second violins, etc. so clearly.


Edited by Delirious Lab - 6/25/13 at 8:59am
post #3400 of 8011

Real nice review. It's going to be helpful for anyone looking into either of those cans. 

post #3401 of 8011
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Wow, mink. This belongs in its own thread, instead of being buried in here after a few days.

post #3402 of 8011
@mink : I fscking love that Nico Vega album. Got goosebumps when they played Beast in the Bioshock Infinite commercial. biggrin.gif
Edited by MrEleventy - 6/25/13 at 10:13am
post #3403 of 8011
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Originally Posted by devhen View Post

Even when my 600s were new I didn't notice a tight clamping force. Maybe I have a small head but I would have thought it was about average.

 

The 558 I bought for my friend were tighter and slightly less comfortable than my 600s but my 600s are ~ 1 year old and the 558s were new. Well they were refurbished but like-new in every way.

 

Personally I don't see how you could have comfort issues with the 600s unless you just have comfort issues with *all* headphones. Or I guess if your head is a lot bigger than the majority of headphone users. Most full size cans with velour pads are very comfortable and the 600s are the most comfortable of the ones I've tried with my DT880 Pros a very close second. Now with those I could see someone complaining about clamping force. But pretty much all headbands will loosen up over time.

 

Overall the HD600 is about as comfortable as you could ever expect a pair of headphones to be IMO.

 

I noticed a tighter clamp on the HD-650 than I did the 600. My 600's obviously got looser over time, and are pretty much light as a feather (don't even feel them on my head). But the 650's I had to stretch them right away, because the clamp was too strong. With the 600 I could deal, and they just got loose over time. 


Edited by satanigatan - 6/26/13 at 8:49am
post #3404 of 8011
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and are pretty much light as a father

How much does your father weigh???

post #3405 of 8011
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Originally Posted by Delirious Lab View Post

How much does your father weigh???

You know the answer to this already.  How much do your 600s weigh?

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