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post #196 of 17138

I mean if a headphone with low bass quantity, sounds cold/cool, don't they?

post #197 of 17138
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Originally Posted by TheDreamthinker View Post

I mean if a headphone with low bass quantity, sounds cold/cool, don't they?



Not necessarily. You can have a warm headphone with a rolloff in the bass. The terms cool/warm apply and refer to frequencies in the lower-midrange and upper bass.

post #198 of 17138
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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post


Not necessarily. You can have a warm headphone with a rolloff in the bass. The terms cool/warm apply and refer to frequencies in the lower-midrange and upper bass.



While I would say that is generally the case, the exact meanings of words in Audioese aren't exactly codified...  Which is a problem, but not something that is likely to ever be solved.

post #199 of 17138

Interesting..

post #200 of 17138

This "believe your own ears" thing in this Audiophile business is really annoying......but also fascinating.

post #201 of 17138
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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post


Not necessarily. You can have a warm headphone with a rolloff in the bass. The terms cool/warm apply and refer to frequencies in the lower-midrange and upper bass.


This. In Hz-range that would be around 150~500Hz especially IMO, I also think veiled highs >4kHz and as boosted 150~500Hz range as possible brings the warmest possible sound, makes the mids sound "fullier", perhaps not with maximum clarity but very meaty/full/thick sounding. I prefer warm sound personally and that's why I like XB500 so much cuz it has a huge boost at upper bass to lower mids and a bit veiled highs. Cold/cool/bright sound is more clear but less engaging/fun for me at least.

 


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 3/25/11 at 9:14am
post #202 of 17138

Can u actually combine warm and full sound with detail?

post #203 of 17138
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Originally Posted by TheDreamthinker View Post

Can u actually combine warm and full sound with detail?


Well, to those who think that LOTSATREBLE is synonymous with detail, no!

 

But for those that listen to tone and timbre of instruments, and control of bass (all detail) - of course....

post #204 of 17138
I would not want a headphone that sounded more "warm" (by my own definition) than the HD650. It's a pretty warm tonal balance.

The HD650 has a very full sound in terms of the lowest bass to highest trebles with some "weight" to the sound. Full as in the opposite of thin.

And the HD650 lets me hear more detail than any other headphone or speaker I've ever heard.

A headphone can sound warm or not, full or thin, more or less detailed. All of those are separate characteristics associated with the design and quality of the headphone, they are not tradeoffs against one another. Saying, for instance, that a headphone does not have a very detailed sound but it sounds very warm is like saying someone's girlfriend is ugly but at least she's smart too.
post #205 of 17138

I got a pair of these in a few days ago and love them. It's my second pair I've owned. I had to pay a small fortune for them since nobody had any deals on them. I kind of overpaid a bit. Around $340 I think! It kind of stinks because I just returned an HD-650 that I only paid $329 for. I could have scored a better deal if I was patient and I don't like buying used. Got them from Amazon.

 

This pair has the white screen on it. I purchased a pair back in early 2010 and it was clearly the older version. The sound was a tad muffled and that was my only negative about it. I ended up selling it and getting something less laid-back That pair definitely fit that description.

 

My new one seems a LOT more clear. The sound is a lot more airy than the HD-650 I had and I love it. Night and day difference to me. There are so many things I liked about the HD-650, but not enough to keep them. It seemed to have a lot more detail and more resolution(?). It seemed less forgiving of poorly mastered recordings, but not as much as my DT-880. Female vocals on the HD-650 felt more forward and closer to your ears. I definitely prefer female vocals on the HD-650. I think it may be due to what felt like a more closed in sound-stage. The HD-650 had an "OK" soundstage, but I felt like I was missing something. For some music I did prefer a smaller soundstage.

 

I do know that the HD-600 has more forward upper mids on paper, but still felt like they sounded more forward on the HD-650. What ruined the HD-650 for me was the soundstage and the bass. At times the sound felt a bit congested and I was losing out on some details.

 

My HD-600 feels a tad less clear than the HD-650 on some songs. Still far, far better than my first HD-600. I don't know why, but on the HD-650 sometimes it felt as if some instruments had too much weight to them during some songs and covered up some detail. It's kind of hard to describe and maybe the bass had something to do with it. I absolutely hated the HD-650 for acoustic guitar music. On the HD-600 it's far better.

 

Strangely I felt the HD-650 was MUCH brighter and had more treble. This seems to go against what everyone says. Both were the white screen versions. I find the HD-650 more fatiguing easily, but not that it's really fatiguing to begin with! Just compared to the HD-600.

 

I always liked the HD-600 for gaming, but when I tried the HD-650 for gaming I hated it. The bass ruined it for me. Nobody really buys an HD-650 for gaming though and I didn't.

 

So for my preferences I prefer the HD-600. Neither is "better" and it all comes down to preferences I guess. I do miss female vocals on the HD-650 though. I also find the HD-600 more comfortable. I now don't feel like my head is in a vice. I even have a small head!

 

One thing about my HD-650 is that often when a bright recording was annoying to my ears, the HD-650 didn't try to tame it at all, or maybe very, very slightly. I prefer a headphone to not change my music. The treble on the HD-600 feels a bit more toned down compared to the HD-650. This also seems to go against what I've heard. It does seem to tame some bright recordings, but I'll need to do more testing. Like my HD-598 the sound signature feels quite smooth and not one frequency is jumping out and annoying me..yet.

 

Going to playing Crysis 2 tonight with the HD-600 and see how it compares to my DT-880 and HD-598 for gaming. I imagine the HD-598 will have the better imaging and larger soundstage, but maybe not!

post #206 of 17138

Any pics of the 'new' screens?

 

I recently bought used hd600s from someone here. Black screens. I'm wondering if your sentiments are more widespread and it might be worth buying new screens?

 

 

Scratch that - i think i have white screens. i thought the screens being talked about were the outside metal screens.


Edited by disgruntleddave - 3/31/11 at 3:59pm
post #207 of 17138


The outside screen on mine has only two white parts exposed. I believe there is more white areas exposed on the HD-650 from what I remember.

Inside the HD-650 and HD-600 screens look the same.

 

I also removed the default foam under the pads and replaced it with some very thin speaker fabric. It seems to make the sound a little better and more clear. Not that much though.

I got the speaker fabric from Parts Express for dirt cheap and it's helped many of my other headphones. I even used it on my K240 Studio.

 

For those that replace the foam, don't accidentally press on the metal grill. I did this on my HD-650 by accident, but it's easy to fix, but you have to take the headphone apart. It takes a few minutes. It seems like the HD-600 is probably harder to dent, but I don't want to test this out!

 

I used mine while weight lifting today while unamped. I have a desktop amp and it sounded good enough from just an Ipod touch for just 45 minutes.

 

I don't know why, but my new HD-600 seems to have a better soundstage than my old pair. Maybe I just forgot how good the soundstage was on my old HD-600.

 

Now I just need to find someone on here who can make me a good cable. I don't think I could justify a $200+ cable, but I do believe they make a difference in sound.

Previously I bought a $12 HD-650 cable for my HD-600 directly from Sennheiser and it did make slight improvements. Nothing major though.

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Originally Posted by disgruntleddave View Post

Any pics of the 'new' screens?

 

I recently bought used hd600s from someone here. Black screens. I'm wondering if your sentiments are more widespread and it might be worth buying new screens?

 

 

Scratch that - i think i have white screens. i thought the screens being talked about were the outside metal screens.



 

post #208 of 17138
Have you seen the photos from that review article that shows inside the headphones? The HD600 and HD650 have literally a hair-thin copper wire from the place where the cable attaches, up to the driver element. It's like 20 times smaller than the wire in the stock cable and 200 times smaller than a super-premium cable. Why would a million dollar cable do any good externally if it's wired inside with wire so small you can hardly see it in a photograph?
post #209 of 17138


Just curious..what are you trying to say? That any cable won't make a difference? If so you could be right. If people say they hear a difference, then I won't question them. I think it's worth a try. I personally wouldn't even pay over $100 a cable. Perhaps a Cardas cable is really worth the asking price, but I've never heard one. Couldn't hurt to try. I guess it depends on how much it improved the sound based on what my ears hear. I think some websites such as Headroom give you 30 days to try a cable out, but not sure if they accept returns on them. I'd sure hope so. I would like to try a good cable someday just to see if I notice a difference.

 

I bought a $35 Starquad cable online for my K702 and there was a noticeable difference in sound from the stock cable.

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Originally Posted by Brent Hutto View Post

Have you seen the photos from that review article that shows inside the headphones? The HD600 and HD650 have literally a hair-thin copper wire from the place where the cable attaches, up to the driver element. It's like 20 times smaller than the wire in the stock cable and 200 times smaller than a super-premium cable. Why would a million dollar cable do any good externally if it's wired inside with wire so small you can hardly see it in a photograph?


 

post #210 of 17138
I'm just saying even if I had been inclined to wonder what the whole cable thing was about (which I never really was) after seeing that picture of the interior wiring I chalked it up to one less thing to ever have to worry about. Anyone who has seen how they're wired and still wants to buy an expensive cable, well they just want to buy an expensive cable. Which is a valid reason.

I have hats they cost way more than necessary to keep the sun off my head. They're nice hats and I like nice hats. But I don't pretend I spent that money because they do a better job keeping the sun off my head. That's all I'm saying.
Edited by Brent Hutto - 3/31/11 at 7:04pm
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