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post #1876 of 8700

I got my Lyr today. I'm returning my ODAC and getting a Bifrost from a member. Here's my current setup :) There are quite a few wires going around, as you can see. I have a powered USB hub (from the original Rock Band) connected to the ODAC, which is using an adapter to go to the Lyr. I'm loving the sound combination right now as it is, but the Bifrost just completes the setup. I tried my DT880s (250ohm) with the Lyr as well for a few songs and they didn't seem too much different than with the E17+ODAC. I haven't spent much time with it yet but I'm loving my HD600s at the moment. I'm wondering if I should return my DT880s too, as I can tell the HD600s are going to get a lot of head time. I just love the fuller sound. It's gorgeous. Can't wait for the Bifrost!!! *wallet cries*

 

 

post #1877 of 8700

look forward to HD600 Lyr impressions!

post #1878 of 8700

First impressions: Quite powerful. I've got the knob at 8 o'clock and it's a comfortable listening volume. 10 o'clock was far too loud; I left it there when I had to go out for an hour to burn in the tubes. I'm not sure how much burning in they need, as I don't hear any crackling or hissing (I did when I turned it to ~3 o'clock, WAY TOO HIGH) so I think they're good to go!

 

The sound is nice and full. I don't hear a night and day difference from the E17, but it definitely sounds better. I can hear far-away instruments better, like a saxophone in the left channel during Bon Iver's "Towers". It's richer and more prominent. Everything is fuller with the Lyr. I feel incredibly lucky to own one. I'll have more to say over the next few days.

post #1879 of 8700
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Originally Posted by yokken View Post

First impressions: Quite powerful. I've got the knob at 8 o'clock and it's a comfortable listening volume. 10 o'clock was far too loud; I left it there when I had to go out for an hour to burn in the tubes. I'm not sure how much burning in they need, as I don't hear any crackling or hissing (I did when I turned it to ~3 o'clock, WAY TOO HIGH) so I think they're good to go!

 

The sound is nice and full. I don't hear a night and day difference from the E17, but it definitely sounds better. I can hear far-away instruments better, like a saxophone in the left channel during Bon Iver's "Towers". It's richer and more prominent. Everything is fuller with the Lyr. I feel incredibly lucky to own one. I'll have more to say over the next few days.

Post in the HE400 thread when you get a chance to try them with those, and try and not a-b them too much with the 600s or be overly critical, I know you weren't a huge fan of them (though you should still return them for the fixed model). I just bought a lyr myself so i'll have the HE-400/lyr combo. 

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Originally Posted by RushNerd View Post

Post in the HE400 thread when you get a chance to try them with those, and try and not a-b them too much with the 600s or be overly critical, I know you weren't a huge fan of them (though you should still return them for the fixed model). I just bought a lyr myself so i'll have the HE-400/lyr combo. 

 

Way ahead of you ;)

post #1881 of 8700

how do you find the dynamics of the lyr/600 combo?

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how do you find the dynamics of the lyr/600 combo?

 

I'm currently listening to Avratz by Infected Mushroom and I'm having trouble finding a way to describe this as anything other than phenomenal. The changes weren't extremely obvious for the first 2 hours or so, but they sound fantastic now (around the 9th hour). I've had the amp on since I got it, basically. The noise floor is great. I almost feel like I'm flying through the music, with the sound all around me. Infected Mushroom did an amazing job with the way this song flows back and forth between headphones. Female vocals, Nadia Ali for example, sound great as well. I feel like she is right in front of me, singing of her love for me! biggrin.gif

 

It could just be placebo, maybe it's just a little exaggeration, but at the end of the day, I think it is truly amazing. It's better than I expected.

post #1883 of 8700

beerchug.gif

 

The biggest difference in my nfb5.2 and my nfb5.2->Darkvoice 336 was the dynamics and slightly more emotional mids, warmer tone. That dynamic was just Wow! Who told me the HD580 is a slower headphone...

 

Seems like your Lyr did something pretty similar and amazing too ;) Tubes + lots of power really gives the Sennheiser a lot of reinforcement!

post #1884 of 8700

I've probably said this already, but I'm returning my DT880s and keeping my HD600s and HE-400s. The HE-400s are bassy and crisp, something magic about them with the Lyr... the HD600s are just gorgeous, also magic with the Lyr. I'm quite satisfied.

post #1885 of 8700
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Originally Posted by yokken View Post

I've probably said this already, but I'm returning my DT880s and keeping my HD600s and HE-400s. The HE-400s are bassy and crisp, something magic about them with the Lyr... the HD600s are just gorgeous, also magic with the Lyr. I'm quite satisfied.

I have been saying that for about three months, I am glad someone else feels the same way. The Lyr and HE-400 is a fantastic combo despite what others have said about them not needing that much amping, they do in fact need that much amping to shine.


Edited by Fearless1 - 10/6/12 at 10:32pm
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I have been saying that for about three months, I am glad someone else feels the same way. The Lyr and HE-400 is a fantastic combo despite what others have said about them not needing that much amping, they do in fact need that much amping to shine.

Even without reading others comments, I strongly suspected this was the case. These are a pretty advanced set of cans anyhow, makes sense they could take more power than you think they might need.

post #1887 of 8700

Why do you think it's the AMOUNT of power that is making the difference? I think that in all likelihood it's the tube distortion you're enjoying.

post #1888 of 8700
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Why do you think it's the AMOUNT of power that is making the difference? I think that in all likelihood it's the tube distortion you're enjoying.

 

Please, tell me more about this tube distortion...

post #1889 of 8700
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Why do you think it's the AMOUNT of power that is making the difference? I think that in all likelihood it's the tube distortion you're enjoying.

I do not think that. I am just disputing the claims that the Lyr is too much power for the HE-400 based on the low ohms and moderate sensitivity. I come from car audio(SQ not Spl) as a kid in the 90s, and on to home audio as an adult, I just think headroom on an amp creates better dynamics.  I would rather over-power a set of cans and run at lower levels then under-power and crank the levels. Every time I mentioned on the HE-400 thread how fantastic the combo is, someone would reply they do not need that much power and suggest one of the Fiio products or the O2, I own those amps as well, and they do not do the HE-400s justice to my ears.


Edited by Fearless1 - 10/7/12 at 9:08am
post #1890 of 8700
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post

I do not think that. I am just disputing the claims that the Lyr is too much power for the HE-400 based on the low ohms and moderate sensitivity. I come from car audio(SQ not Spl) as a kid in the 90s, and on to home audio as an adult, I just think headroom on an amp creates better dynamics.  I would rather over-power a set of cans and run at lower levels then under-power and crank the levels. Every time I mentioned on the HE-400 thread how fantastic the combo is, someone would reply they do not need that much power and suggest one of the Fiio products or the O2, I own those amps as well, and they do not do the HE-400s justice to my ears.

 

I'm not saying that more power isn't good. And nobody I know of has said the Lyr has "too much power."

 

On the other hand, the HD 600 is rated at 97 dB at 1mW. That's a whole lot of SPL from only one one thousandth of one watt.

 

I'm not saying that having more power than the E17 isn't a benefit, because it could be. What I'm am is saying that I think the improvement you and others are describing with the Lyr is simply the coloration the Lyr is adding, not dynamic headroom. I say this because I have heard the HD 600's with a number of SS and tube amps (yes, including the Lyr), and the tube amps I've tried definitely transform the HD 600's - sometimes to the point where it's like a completely different headphone.

 

In the end though, it doesn't matter why. If it sounds better, then that's it.


Edited by palmfish - 10/7/12 at 12:46pm
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