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Best cheapest amp for this headphone? Is the O2 any good for the HD600? Thinking about getting this headphone as people like it better than the HD800. And I want to try it smily_headphones1.gif

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Thanks for everyone's opinions! biggrin.gif

 

To be honest, I think I'm still leaning towards the Shure SRH940 because it has sound isolation... I can't deny that the HD600's sound amazing though!

 

Few questions though (since I still get to use these for 1 1/2 week).

 

1. What's a good amp to use these with?

 

I'm playing music off of my iPhone 4 through my Fiio E6 Amp and Fiio L9 LOD. The E6 can drive it loud enough to my preferred levels, but would the E7/E11/E17 have a (substantial) sound quality increase?

 

2. Does Lossless music sound more detailed on the HD600's?

 

I'm slowly repurchasing all of my albums on CD and ripping to ALAC. I still have a few albums and all of my singles in 256kbps AAC from the iTunes Store.

post #1563 of 17126
Y dun u try a tube amp like little dot mk3...it's airy n spatial.
Will give yur 940 an alternative flavor.
post #1564 of 17126
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Originally Posted by BobJS View Post

Anyone know of an INEXPENSIVE 4 ft (or so) cable for these?  The 10 foot is a bit long.  Not looking for fancy-schmancy magic cable "properties", just shorter length.  I tried a search but couldn't find anything.

 

Thanks

 

 

Edit:  I may just buy a cheap replacement and cut the cord to desired length and re-solder the plug on.

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Originally Posted by hodgjy View Post

You could cut the original 600 cord down to size as you suggested.  Then, you could buy the 650 cable as a backup or replacement.  It's a better cord anyway--in thickness and ruggedness--not sound.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Cable-SENNHEISER-Headphones-HD650/dp/B0028PGXRE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343143291&sr=8-1&keywords=sennheiser+hd650+cable

 

 

Well, I did just that.  When I cut the original cable down to a 5 ft length, I couldn't believe the sorry-***** conductors in the cable.  Furthermore, my soldering job into the new neutrik 3.5mm plug certainly did not help. 

 

A/B test and conclusion:  Makes no difference.  Both cables sound the same.  At these frequencies, cable lengths, and power levels, if the ohm-meter reads 0 ohms between plugs on either end of the cable --- it's as good as it's going to get. Cable-chasiing is futile (for changes in SQ).

 

Just to put my money where my mouth is, we're doing a standard vs silver cable experiment over in the Shure SRH940 thread  ( read here and beyond ) .  I intend to either prove this to my own ears, or re-evaluate my stance.

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I just got my HD600s today and I have to say they sound magnificent. They're very well balanced. I won't comment on price/performance ratio because the closest I have to these are the brainwavz b2 which retail for less than half. These beat out the B2s on every level

 

TBH I'm tired of people saying how hard the HD600 is to drive. I can power it out of my Galaxy nexus with reasonable levels, although it's not easy and it does not sound the best.

The O2 works very well with the HD600s, and I haven't had to turn the volume knob above 12 o'clock on low (3x IIRC) gain. I don't have much gear to compare to but I think these are easier to drive than the Q701s I owned previously even though they had less impedance, they required more current.

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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post

I just got my HD600s today and I have to say they sound magnificent. They're very well balanced. I won't comment on price/performance ratio because the closest I have to these are the brainwavz b2 which retail for less than half. These beat out the B2s on every level

 

TBH I'm tired of people saying how hard the HD600 is to drive. I can power it out of my Galaxy nexus with reasonable levels, although it's not easy and it does not sound the best.

The O2 works very well with the HD600s, and I haven't had to turn the volume knob above 12 o'clock on low (3x IIRC) gain. I don't have much gear to compare to but I think these are easier to drive than the Q701s I owned previously even though they had less impedance, they required more current.

 

Sometimes I don't even think the HD-600 really needs a full desktop amp to sound amazing. I got very good results from even my Total Airhead or E11. I've even heard the HD-600 is impressive with some random CMOY or the PA2V2.

 

I think with portable amps the soundstage can suffer a bit though.

 

I also agree that they're much easier to drive than the Q701. I don't think i've ever had them sound awful out of anything.

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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post

Best cheapest amp for this headphone? Is the O2 any good for the HD600? Thinking about getting this headphone as people like it better than the HD800. And I want to try it smily_headphones1.gif


Haven't heard the O2, but I like it with the $99 Total Airhead (portable) and the $110 Fiio E9 (large jack only).

 

Not so much the E11 due to it's weird mids..

 

Sounds crazy, but I thought the $30 X-Fi Go Pro DAC was even to make the HD-600 sound amazing.

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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post


Haven't heard the O2, but I like it with the $99 Total Airhead (portable) and the $110 Fiio E9 (large jack only).

 

Not so much the E11 due to it's weird mids..

 

Sounds crazy, but I thought the $30 X-Fi Go Pro DAC was even to make the HD-600 sound amazing.

Try the O2, It really does sound great with the HD600s. IMO the hd600s are colored enough that they sound perfect with a transparent amp and DAP.

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Remember that drivability has very little to do with volume. The senns like GOOD amplification. Ohm matching.
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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post

Remember that drivability has very little to do with volume. The senns like GOOD amplification. Ohm matching.


ohm matching? what do you mean by this? where have you read this so I can correct it? I presume you mean impedance matching, which is meaningless at audio frequencies. As long as there is reasonable voltage swing in the amp (~7-9v usable swing and likely ~12-15v rail to rail) and lowish output impedance, all is well. the senns are a pretty innocuous load at 300ohms and need neither high voltage swing, nor high current.

 

they do like a good amp and will show off a good source, but i'm afraid impedance matching has nothing to do with it. if you match the 300ohms load impedance with a 300ohms source impedance, you will be driving them with a current source. Current sources can show pretty serious variations in frequency response curve, as the impedance varies with frequency.

 

love my HD600, I will never part with them, but I would not say they are a hard load, just that they are a pretty decent lense that will show off weaknesses in your equipment. that being said, though you will get reasonable sound out of most portables with them and some DAPs, its not the norm to have 7-9v usable swing with these amp sections so the transient response can be somewhat lacking depending on the music


Edited by qusp - 8/1/12 at 12:29am
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Originally Posted by qusp View Post


ohm matching? what do you mean by this? where have you read this so I can correct it? I presume you mean impedance matching, which is meaningless at audio frequencies. As long as there is reasonable voltage swing in the amp (~7-9v usable swing and likely ~12-15v rail to rail) and lowish output impedance, all is well. the senns are a pretty innocuous load at 300ohms and need neither high voltage swing, nor high current.

 

they do like a good amp and will show off a good source, but i'm afraid impedance matching has nothing to do with it. if you match the 300ohms load impedance with a 300ohms source impedance, you will be driving them with a current source. Current sources can show pretty serious variations in frequency response curve, as the impedance varies with frequency.

 

love my HD600, I will never part with them, but I would not say they are a hard load, just that they are a pretty decent lense that will show off weaknesses in your equipment. that being said, though you will get reasonable sound out of most portables with them and some DAPs, its not the norm to have 7-9v usable swing with these amp sections so the transient response can be somewhat lacking depending on the music

 

Did you and which cable did you use on your HD600?

post #1572 of 17126
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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post

Remember that drivability has very little to do with volume. The senns like GOOD amplification. Ohm matching.

 

I agree.  While my Galaxy S2 can "drive" the HD600 to a decent volume level, my AV's amp and my dedicated dac/amp can push it even more dynamically.  They sound much more awake and alive.  As for ohm matching, I'm not that picky lol.

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Originally Posted by mrAdrian View Post

 

Did you and which cable did you use on your HD600?

yes I do, probably cant go into detail here, but normally TWCu (Copper) you'll see it in a couple of weeks =) youre going to the Sydney meet yeah?

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Ah sorry I forgot about the mot rules. Yes I'm going biggrin.gif
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I ordered a pair of HD600 yesterday and thinking for an amp either the JDS Labs C421 or Leckerton UHA-4.  Has anyone heard these?

I will probably go with an ipod for source.  I've read great things about the O2, but it's too large.

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