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post #1516 of 17133

+1.  Well said.  I have listened to a variety of interconnects, power cords, and some headphone cables, and I've yet to hear one lick of a difference in them.  I can, however, hear subtle differences between vacuum tubes of the same make, model, and manufacturer based on sample variation alone.  Buying cables for anything other than style or looks is a fruitless exercise.

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If you're on a budget ( or even if you aren't!) the first thing I'd do is forget about the cable upgrade.  It won't do anything for you (sound-wise).  If you're trying to upgrade looks or style, that's another story.  It's amazing the way this nonsense has been ingrained into the buying public.

post #1517 of 17133
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Originally Posted by pansplash View Post

I did a lot readings on trying to find the right amp/dac for this can, and it seems that there is a wide variety of options available.


There are many options that comes to my mind right now, since budget is a pretty big deal for me (Around $300). Can anyone help decide which option is best?


Going to be listening through a computer, mostly rock and folk rock music. (-> = Then later)


1. Buy O2+ODAC -> Cardas cable.

2. Buy Schiit Asgard (Live with it first [Connected to computer]) -> Long while (8 months - 1 year or so) -> Schiit Bifrost -> Another long while -> Cardas cable

3. Opposite of option 1

4. Help me make a new one?


Currently I have it hooked up with a Sound blaster sound card, it seems to work just fine but I want the most out of my headphones.


Many thanks in advance.

Given how easy it is to still gear especially on headfi, I will rather go for the objective combo first rather than purchasing the Asgard and live with on board sound card or purchasing the bifrost and realize you ain't got an amp for those dac outputs
post #1518 of 17133
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Originally Posted by pansplash View Post

I did a lot readings on trying to find the right amp/dac for this can, and it seems that there is a wide variety of options available.

There are many options that comes to my mind right now, since budget is a pretty big deal for me (Around $300). Can anyone help decide which option is best?

Going to be listening through a computer, mostly rock and folk rock music. (-> = Then later)

1. Buy O2+ODAC -> Cardas cable.
2. Buy Schiit Asgard (Live with it first [Connected to computer]) -> Long while (8 months - 1 year or so) -> Schiit Bifrost -> Another long while -> Cardas cable
3. Opposite of option 1
4. Help me make a new one?

Currently I have it hooked up with a Sound blaster sound card, it seems to work just fine but I want the most out of my headphones.

Many thanks in advance

Option 1 minus cable and don't look back. I wouldn't assume the Asgard would give you anything that you won't get out of the O2. If you do some research you'll find many folks that claim the O2 can compete with amps many times it's price.

post #1519 of 17133
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Originally Posted by BobJS View Post

If you're on a budget ( or even if you aren't!) the first thing I'd do is forget about the cable upgrade.  It won't do anything for you (sound-wise).  If you're trying to upgrade looks or style, that's another story.  It's amazing the way this nonsense has been ingrained into the buying public.

 

+1. With how expensive these cables are, if you're on a budget you need to completely forget about the cable upgrade for now. And don't worry, the stock cables will not prevent you from fully experiencing your HD600.

 

Have you looked at the Grant Fidelity TubeDAC-11? Its $350 and is very highly regarded.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/603086/review-grant-fidelity-tubedac-11


Edited by devhen - 7/20/12 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by hodgjy View Post

+1.  Well said.  I have listened to a variety of interconnects, power cords, and some headphone cables, and I've yet to hear one lick of a difference in them.  I can, however, hear subtle differences between vacuum tubes of the same make, model, and manufacturer based on sample variation alone.  Buying cables for anything other than style or looks is a fruitless exercise.

 

+2

 

I'd like to say I have a pretty good ear but I spend more time ENJOYING my music and movies than I do trying to CRITIQUE the sound.  A simple amp/dac and my 2 headphones + my 2.0 / 5.1 rig and I'm more than content.  I haven't wanted to upgrade any of this stuff for the last year and a half and don't plan on it.  Sometimes it's nice to just enjoy what you have.  :)

 

With regards to cables...I don't really appreciate any difference.  My HD600 have the HD650 cabling only because I bought them used and it came with it.  Otherwise I'm happy with both them and my Denon's.  The AMP/DAC is plenty for me (Audio-GD FUN).  Maybe well down the road I'll entertain a HE6 (only other can that I can afford that blew my mind...other was a Stax 009 but obviously i won't bother with that).  :)

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Originally Posted by BobJS View Post


If you're on a budget ( or even if you aren't!) the first thing I'd do is forget about the cable upgrade.  It won't do anything for you (sound-wise).  If you're trying to upgrade looks or style, that's another story.  It's amazing the way this nonsense has been ingrained into the buying public.

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Originally Posted by hodgjy View Post

+1.  Well said.  I have listened to a variety of interconnects, power cords, and some headphone cables, and I've yet to hear one lick of a difference in them.  I can, however, hear subtle differences between vacuum tubes of the same make, model, and manufacturer based on sample variation alone.  Buying cables for anything other than style or looks is a fruitless exercise.

 

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Originally Posted by N0sferatu View Post

 

+2

 

I'd like to say I have a pretty good ear but I spend more time ENJOYING my music and movies than I do trying to CRITIQUE the sound.  A simple amp/dac and my 2 headphones + my 2.0 / 5.1 rig and I'm more than content.  I haven't wanted to upgrade any of this stuff for the last year and a half and don't plan on it.  Sometimes it's nice to just enjoy what you have.  :)

 

With regards to cables...I don't really appreciate any difference.  My HD600 have the HD650 cabling only because I bought them used and it came with it.  Otherwise I'm happy with both them and my Denon's.  The AMP/DAC is plenty for me (Audio-GD FUN).  Maybe well down the road I'll entertain a HE6 (only other can that I can afford that blew my mind...other was a Stax 009 but obviously i won't bother with that).  :)


Thank you very much for the input about the cable. I myself was also a believer at first about cables making a drastic change in performance (I'm not going for the looks at all, all I wanted was the best performance out of the headphone.). This being because the threads written long time ago (One in 2003) / reviews back then seems to praise it so much whatsoever. Doing more researches I founded out, that this was much of a nonsense. Again, Thank you for saving me about 180 bucks to use on subways (mmmm....delicious) or something.

 

 

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Originally Posted by mrAdrian View Post


Given how easy it is to still gear especially on headfi, I will rather go for the objective combo first rather than purchasing the Asgard and live with on board sound card or purchasing the bifrost and realize you ain't got an amp for those dac outputs

 

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Originally Posted by lejaz View Post

Option 1 minus cable and don't look back. I wouldn't assume the Asgard would give you anything that you won't get out of the O2. If you do some research you'll find many folks that claim the O2 can compete with amps many times it's price.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by devhen View Post

 

+1. With how expensive these cables are, if you're on a budget you need to completely forget about the cable upgrade for now. And don't worry, the stock cables will not prevent you from fully experiencing your HD600.

 

Have you looked at the Grant Fidelity TubeDAC-11? Its $350 and is very highly regarded.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/603086/review-grant-fidelity-tubedac-11

 

 

Thank you very much guys for all your inputs, it was very helpful. The O2 + ODAC seems to be a very good option, however since I have a little bit more money to blow on AMP/DAC I have come down to my final decisions on deciding which one to go for. (Based on your recommendations + more researches)

1. Go for O2+ODAC [Around $300]
2. Go for TubeDAC-11 [Around $375]
3. Go for Yulong D100 MKII [Around $475]

Sorry for being such a nuisance for asking for so much help, but I am a newbie that really wants to spend well on my first time since money is not an easy thing to come by for me. Again, Thank you very much in advance, and sorry for taking your time.

And..... Yes it took me over 1 hour to write out this reply. (Did some researches along the way)


Edited by pansplash - 7/20/12 at 12:29pm
post #1522 of 17133
I am in the same position with you but I'm eyeing at some audiogd products, possibly the nfb 15, 5 or 10
post #1523 of 17133

I don't know why, but i've always liked the HD-580 more than the HD-600. It's not better, but just has a different sound signature.

I've found it has less mid-bass, very slightly more treble and more forward upper mids than the HD-600. A little clearer too (extra treble+less mid-bass I guess). This is only due to the plastic grill on it.

 

When I put on my HD-600 I just don't like it's signature as much as most. I've always had a love/hate thing with the HD-600 (And K702!). I've owned it more than any other headphone except for the K702.

 

I tried a few experiments with the HD-600 to make it more closed off, even a closed version, but it sounded like crap.

 

You know that mod where you remove the foam behind the driver? Well for me it sounded like complete garbage. It just bloated the bass even further and made everything sound like it was coming from a cave.

This makes sense to me. Definitely didn't hear any of this extra treble or sound clarity.

 

Last night when I was bored I put a tiny square of foam behind the driver. NOT as dampening material etc. I DIDN'T remove the stock material. It does NOT close off air from getting to the driver since it's open on the sides. It's the Creatology foam and it's adhesive backed.

Impressions are of a little less mid-bass, which makes nearly everything sound clearer and more detailed to my ears. The sound signature is basically the same other than this, but much more clear. Crystal clear to my ears. Some things (like vocals) are slightly less full sounding.

 

Unlike the HD-580, it doesn't seem to make the upper mids more forward. This totally makes no sense, but it seems to really improve the soundstage size. What the heck? It sounds similar in size to the HD-600 with no grills. No distant mids at all.

 

I was listening to this for about 5 hours last night and really loved the sound. Basically Wowed, but if you're happy with the sound clarity and amount of mid-bass, don't bother.

 

The foam is $1 and totally reversible. It's at Michaels. There's a chance you can blow up your driver. Sennheiser will probably say it will make your driver self destruct or overheat. Don't do this if you're worried or not comfortable opening up the grills. DON'T BLAME ME if you ruin your HD-600. Just try it for 15 minutes if you want. The whole thing takes 15 seconds.

 

I'd say right now it sounds better than my HD-580, but without the HD-580's more aggressive sound signature. It actually sounds far more balanced to my ears than stock.

 

Terrible photo, sorry:

 

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Don't know why, but have been listening to this for the last few hours. Seems much easier to pick out all my garbage tracks and lower bit-rate recordings. Some 192kbps recordings now sound much worse. It's like how on my old DT-880, songs varied so much in quality/sound despite being WAV or FLAC. Some songs sound completely lifeless when they're shouldn't be and it's mostly due to the recording. Love how accurate it is to the actual recording now. You can now much more easily figure out how far apart specific sounds are. Even vocals sound distant or spaced back if that's how it is in the recording. I never realized how distant the vocals were supposed to be in Radiohead's "Where I End and You Begin". Sounds almost cave-like at times.

 

Right now this sounds like an HD-598 on steroids. More mid-bass than the 598, but not as much as stock HD-600. Pretty crystal clear now. Just from some stupid foam? Huh?!


Edited by tdockweiler - 7/23/12 at 10:00am
post #1524 of 17133

Uni started and it is hard to find time to experiment things, I'll (im)patiently wait for others to chime in tongue.gif

post #1525 of 17133
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by suburbanite View Post

I dig my HD 600's for what I guess to be their transparency as they don't seem to add bass to any cool tracks but when I play nearly anything electronic, they produce whatever the track calls for. What's even better is that I don't have to EQ down the bass as I had to with my HD 518's. I'm glad I got the HD 600's over the HD 650's as, even without having listened to the latter, I like the bass reproduction of the former just fine and I wouldn't want any more bass.

 

I'm noticing that the HD 600's can reproduce a poor recording, though. Listening to the Naked & Famous' Passive me, Aggressive You can be harsh, especially the opening notes of Young Blood. I really have to dial down the highs for that track unless I want a headache.

 

Overall I find the HD 600's sound livable, though. They work well for movie-watching, too. smily_headphones1.gif

 

The HD 600 are probably my all-time favourite all-round headphone. They are so well-balanced-sounding without being so hyper-revealing as to prompt me to be distracted from the overall picture of the music being fed to them. smily_headphones1.gif

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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by hodgjy View Post

+1.  Well said.  I have listened to a variety of interconnects, power cords, and some headphone cables, and I've yet to hear one lick of a difference in them.  I can, however, hear subtle differences between vacuum tubes of the same make, model, and manufacturer based on sample variation alone.  Buying cables for anything other than style or looks is a fruitless exercise.

 

Do you mean you haven't heard a difference between cables in general, or just with the HD 600?

 

In my experience changing a headphone cable can definitely affect the sound coming out of that headphone. :)

post #1527 of 17133

I'd like to welcome myself to the club -- just got my pair today.  I'm enjoying the sound very much, and surprisingly --- they sound kinda like I thought they would --- based on the descriptions I've read and the sound of the HD25-1 II I have (kind of clued me in to the Sennheiser sound).

 

The Fiio E17 seems able to drive it, but it sounds even better from my Sansa Fuze through my JDS cmoybb.   Does anything think I'll benefit from a different amp?
 

post #1528 of 17133

Anyone know of an INEXPENSIVE 4 ft (or so) cable for these?  The 10 foot is a bit long.  Not looking for fancy-schmancy magic cable "properties", just shorter length.  I tried a search but couldn't find anything.

 

Thanks

 

 

Edit:  I may just buy a cheap replacement and cut the cord to desired length and re-solder the plug on.


Edited by BobJS - 7/24/12 at 5:20am
post #1529 of 17133

I haven't heard a difference in cables in general.  That's not to say differences don't exist, but I would doubt that the human ear can actually perceive differences.

 

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Originally Posted by Windsor View Post

 

Do you mean you haven't heard a difference between cables in general, or just with the HD 600?

 

In my experience changing a headphone cable can definitely affect the sound coming out of that headphone. :)

post #1530 of 17133
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Originally Posted by BobJS View Post

Anyone know of an INEXPENSIVE 4 ft (or so) cable for these?  The 10 foot is a bit long.  Not looking for fancy-schmancy magic cable "properties", just shorter length.  I tried a search but couldn't find anything.

 

Thanks

 

 

Edit:  I may just buy a cheap replacement and cut the cord to desired length and re-solder the plug on.

Monoprice would be a good place to check. 

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