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post #13366 of 14433
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Originally Posted by gortman View Post
 


If you shop a lot at Amazon and can use the $150 Amazon gift card, this deal is pretty good - net price for the HD600 is $250:

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0199APD94?keywords=HD600&qid=1454609029&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2


Thank you! Will check it out.

post #13367 of 14433
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Originally Posted by howdy View Post
 

Can you explain why? I have been going back and forth between the 2 on what to buy. I am leaning towards the HD600 though.

My oponion might not be very valuable since I mainly listen to symphony/classical. To my ear, 600 has larger soundstage and otherwise, Both are pretty similar. 650 seem to be a little bit better on vocal but I seldom listen to vocal. Bottom line is: if you have 600, I don't see any reason to buy 650. They are too similar to have both and 650 is definitely not an upgrade of 600.

post #13368 of 14433
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Originally Posted by yangian View Post
 

My oponion might not be very valuable since I mainly listen to symphony/classical. To my ear, 600 has larger soundstage and otherwise, Both are pretty similar. 650 seem to be a little bit better on vocal but I seldom listen to vocal. Bottom line is: if you have 600, I don't see any reason to buy 650. They are too similar to have both and 650 is definitely not an upgrade of 600.

As you say it depends on the sound signature that you prefer, and I agree the HD-600 is better for classical while the HD-650 is better for vocals/jazz.

post #13369 of 14433

Anyone tryed it with Bravo V2 stock tube ?

Good for vocal or bass was overboosterd ?

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OK, got a new HD600 today (mesh material) from Amazon UK.  It was obviously a refurb but got a good discount.

 

Currently driving it from my Emu 1616m (recording interface) breakout box.  Probably not the best, but it's a start.

 

Well, I didn't like the sound at first - too tame (I guess the Senn laid-back house sound I remember from some old phones), plus not exciting or analytical enough.  But it's growing on me, plus I want them for mixing, so 'enjoyment' isn't that important.

 

I'm used to good studio monitors and my fab KSC-75's, and one thing I am missing though is a bit of kick in the lower bass.  For mixing that matters (plus it's my preference anyway), and it would be a closer match to my studio setup.

 

So I'm just testing Sonarworks 3, which has EQ correction curves for popular phones.  It's a plugin for audio software like DAWs, in VST/RTAS/AAX format (I believe some audio players can also host these plugins):

 

 

 

You put this as the last thing in your effects chain, ie. last on the output/Master channel.  It can 'flatten' headphones' freq response.  On the HD600 it also restores the lower bass a good amount (note the low bass extension on the purple line above).  Plus you can optionally tweak the spectrum 'tilt' towards bass or treble, apply your own tweaks or house curve etc.

 

Flat impressions:  my kick is back!.  But also interesting how it slightly blunts areas in the top.  If the correction curve is accurate (and I guess it should be), then it actually reveals how manufacturers tweak a bit of 'bite' even into phones like the HD600 to make them sound more interesting.  Toggling it on and off is a (subtle) revelation.  So when some people find the HD600 too bright, they're not completely wrong (if you take 'flat' as the reference)!

 

Even more interesting: the plugin allows you to simulate various speakers and headphones.  It actually has a HD650 simulation in there!  I've never heard them, but if someone has both I'd love to know if it's reasonably close, listening on the HD600.  That would be a cool way to audition the differences:

 

 

 

You can get a free 21 day trial of fhe plug here.  It's on sale right now at AudioDeluxe ($49 in cart once you sign up).

 

Note that if you're also interested in Waves' new NX room/speaker sim plugin for headphones (it even tracks your head to simulate a 3D environment + move the sound out of your head), Waves have pledged on Gearslutz to add headphone EQ correction to that in an update (though no ETA), so maybe worth holding off buying Sonarworks for now ...

 


Edited by _gl - 2/5/16 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by gortman View Post


If you shop a lot at Amazon and can use the $150 Amazon gift card, this deal is pretty good - net price for the HD600 is $250:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0199APD94?keywords=HD600&qid=1454609029&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2

Are these brand new or returns, refurbished ?
post #13372 of 14433
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Originally Posted by razor13 View Post


Are these brand new or returns, refurbished ?


I think it's new. Since the way they're advertising it is a combo of the $150 gift card and the HD600 at ~$330, which is what Amazon sells the HD600 for new.

post #13373 of 14433

I just finished a video review of the HD600's. They get compared to 650's, K701 and LCD-2 etc. 

 

 

What do you guys think?


Edited by sikki-six - 2/9/16 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by _gl View Post

OK, got a new HD600 today (mesh material) from Amazon UK.  It was obviously a refurb but got a good discount.

 

Currently driving it from my Emu 1616m (recording interface) breakout box.  Probably not the best, but it's a start.

 

Well, I didn't like the sound at first - too tame (I guess the Senn laid-back house sound I remember from some old phones), plus not exciting or analytical enough.  But it's growing on me, plus I want them for mixing, so 'enjoyment' isn't that important.

 

I'm used to good studio monitors and my fab KSC-75's, and one thing I am missing though is a bit of kick in the lower bass.  For mixing that matters (plus it's my preference anyway), and it would be a closer match to my studio setup.

 

If what you count as "exciting" is a Grado (the KSC-75 come close to that), the HD600 will need an amp that is cleaner and has a beefier power delivery than the EMU. I've tried that one before and while other specs like output impedance might play a part, it was "not exciting" on the HD600 either, and for that matter, not even the SR225. Or at least, in the case of the Grado, not more than my iPod - even a 3ch CMOY I had at the time not only goes louder but more importantly you can hear the dynamic range better as louder drum hits really kind of explode out of the rest of the instruments (of course, it helps that Grados have strong upper bass-lower midrange response).

 

The HD600 on the other hand gets close to that kind of percussion sound that the Grado delivers (it also has strong response in the same region, it just doesn't start dropping off as early as Grados') with amps like Meiers and Schiits. Even my current cheap amp, the Pangea HP101 (used to retail at the same price as the Asgard, but now it's only $99 on Amazon; at its original price it's no match for the Asgard actually), is livelier than the EMU. Similarly, studio consoles did a lot better than most home recording interfaces - not that I brought my amps to friends' recording sessions but at the very least I didn't miss any of them.

 

If you're looking to get an amplifier that you can use with the EMU (I think it has a line out), I'd recommend an O2 amplifier, or saving up to get the Meier Jazz. You can listen louder and cleaner with the Meier but of course mind how long you do that (or just get the O2 high gain version; custom gain settings can get you 1.5X for IEMs and then 6.5X for the HD600).

post #13375 of 14433
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Originally Posted by sikki-six View Post

I just finished a video review of the HD600's. They get compared to 650's, K701 and LCD-2 etc. 




What do you guys think?

Not bad. I enjoyed your dry sense of humor. You made me laugh a couple of times.
post #13376 of 14433

I've had my hd600's for a few months now, but the clamping pressure still gets to my jaw after an hour or so. Did you guys do anything special to break them in or just wear them?

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Originally Posted by oaklandrichie View Post
 

I've had my hd600's for a few months now, but the clamping pressure still gets to my jaw after an hour or so. Did you guys do anything special to break them in or just wear them?

Extend the sliders all the way out and bend the metal part, be very careful that you only try to bend the metal part.  Many with the HD-650 also have the same clamping force issue.

post #13378 of 14433
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Originally Posted by ProtegeManiac View Post
 

 

If what you count as "exciting" is a Grado (the KSC-75 come close to that), the HD600 will need an amp that is cleaner and has a beefier power delivery than the EMU. I've tried that one before and while other specs like output impedance might play a part, it was "not exciting" on the HD600 either, and for that matter, not even the SR225.

 

Thanks for the tips Protege.  I agree that it lacks some oomph and dynamics on the Emu, and I'm sure a better amp would help there.  I tried it briefly on my old Sony F542E hifi amp that's driving my monitors (that one's quite punchy), and it already sounded better.  Also the burn-in helped (including my own :) ).

 

However I then looked into the Sonarworks headphones plugin (VST/RTAS/AAX, free 21 day trial available) for a HD600 correction curve (interestingly it can also simulate what an HD650 sounds like!).  That was interesting, it restored a lot of the missing low-bass (in a flat way) by compensating for the HD600 bass rolloff - but also sounds a little weird elsewhere.  Turns out that Sonarworks averages several instances of a headphone together, to average out manufacturing variations, and they quote the accuracy of the resulting correction curve as a pretty loose +-3db (they can do much better if you send them your phones for a custom calibration).

 

So then I started on my own EQ correction curve, approximating what Sonarworks does at the low end, and (mostly) leaving the mids and treble alone.  I then extended the low bass even more (without faking or overpowering), and now it actually sounds amazing.  I did add a tiny treble shelf (0.17db centered @ 10k), to combat the Senn 'laid-back' sound a little and resolve slightly more detail.  It's amazing what difference that small slope makes, without sounding fatiguing.  In total I now love the sound!  I realise I'm probably partly compensating for the EMU output, and dynamics would still be better with a good amp.  But for now this is totally usable and gives me the sound I like, close to my flat studio monitors + sub.  My impression is now that apart from dynamics, you can compensate quite well for other amp deficiencies (ie. freq colouration due to a non-perfect driving match) with EQ.

 

If anyone wants to try out the curves, let me know (they're currently using Voxengo's GlissEQ plugin, free trial available, but could be ported to another EQ). 


Edited by _gl - 2/10/16 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by _gl View Post

 

However I then looked into the Sonarworks headphones plugin (VST/RTAS/AAX, free 21 day trial available) for a HD600 correction curve (interestingly it can also simulate what an HD650 sounds like!).  That was interesting, it restored a lot of the missing low-bass (in a flat way) by compensating for the HD600 bass rolloff - but also sounds a little weird elsewhere.  Turns out that Sonarworks averages several instances of a headphone together, to average out manufacturing variations, and they quote the accuracy of the resulting correction curve as a pretty loose +-3db (they can do much better if you send them your phones for a custom calibration).

 

I use an Android as a music server, primarily so I can use Neutron Music Player. Here's my EQ profile based on most measured graphs of the HD600 - the goal isn't really to get it absolutely flat (since they aren't all identical), but just to get the response a bit smoother:

 

Band 1 - Low shelf, Q1.4, +4dB, 20hz

Band 2 - Peak, Q0.6, -2dB, 125hz

Band 3 - Peak, Q1.4, -2dB, 3500hz

Band 4 - Peak, Q1.4, -2dB, 8500hz

post #13380 of 14433
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Originally Posted by ProtegeManiac View Post
 

 

I use an Android as a music server, primarily so I can use Neutron Music Player. Here's my EQ profile based on most measured graphs of the HD600 - the goal isn't really to get it absolutely flat (since they aren't all identical), but just to get the response a bit smoother:

 

Band 1 - Low shelf, Q1.4, +4dB, 20hz

Band 2 - Peak, Q0.6, -2dB, 125hz

Band 3 - Peak, Q1.4, -2dB, 3500hz

Band 4 - Peak, Q1.4, -2dB, 8500hz

 

Interesting, I have a pretty similar notch at 110K, but low end extension is quite different - originally based on the Sonarworks (UI) correction graph but then extended far deeper.  It sounds excellent to me.

 

Do you have anything that can load VST, RTAS or AAX plugins?  I'd like your opinion.

 

I take your point about variations, that's partly why I didn't make any deep changes to the mids/treble as I expect they're more prone to variation, although I still plan to look for specific sharp resonances (but those are apparently unique to every ear).  The low-bass recovery should be quite universal though, Sonarworks definitely restored the rolloff I heard on lower bass notes, I just found you can extend it much lower than they do.

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