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post #1141 of 17469

Man screw it, I'll just take my chances with the HD600s cause I'll get it new.  I would've gotten the 650s but they are freaking $499 new everywhere when it used to be $350 a month ago and the only way I could get it in the low $300s now is getting it refurbished which I really don't like cause I like all my stuff brand spanking new. 

post #1142 of 17469

I've been told by a seller on amazon that refurbished is just returned open box. is this true?


Edited by jallen89 - 2/2/12 at 6:08am
post #1143 of 17469
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Originally Posted by jallen89 View Post

I've been told by a seller on amazon that refurbished is just returned open box. is this true?

 

Sometimes, sometimes not. Just look at the threads here and go through the ones about buyers who hated their HD600. Some of them put it on, decide they didn't like it, then sent it back. Some of them put them on, tried to like them or attempted to burn them in but returned them before the valid period for returns expires. By refurbished it means it goes through some quality checks before they put it 'back on the shelf,' so to speak, but we don't know exactly what their procedures and standards are. Ideally they'd replace the pads for hygiene, but in all likelihood even if it was used for about a few dozen hours the pads will seem like 'new' and they probably won't. The one thing we can be sure of is they'll check if it runs properly - no damage/distortion, both sides work, nothing in the chassis is broken, etc.

 

Now depending on what terms they give for warranties, it might still be better than buying something used for quite some time even if you have to pay a little more. For example, between a unit used for 2 years (no more warranty) and a refurb that costs $60 more but the manufacturer is offering the same warranty as a brand-new unit, or usually half or still significant chunk of the regular warranty (6mos, 3mos, etc) I'd say go for the latter.
 

 

post #1144 of 17469

Can anyone comment on the Audiogd NFB 12/12.1 - I've heard that this unit changes the soundstage and sound signature of the HD 600s?

 

I'm looking for a ~$200 dac/amp unit that is neutral and will enhance and bring out everything I love about the HD600s, and not change the soundstage/signature.  I've been looking at the Audiogd NFB12.1, the Fiio E17, the Audinst MX1 HUD, and the Maverick Tubemagic D1 (in that order), but I'm not completely sold on any of these units.  Although this is going to be my last piece of gear for awhile, I'd like it to play well with a discrete amp if I should choose to grab one in the future (asgard probably). 


Edited by steelle - 2/3/12 at 12:03pm
post #1145 of 17469

I find the Matrix Mini-i to drive my HD600 quite nicely, it's my favorite headphone straight out of it. If you are going to use USB though you might want to use your own s/pdif converter as the built in one is the weak link (16/48, non-async, the other inputs are 24/192).

post #1146 of 17469
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Originally Posted by steelle View Post

Can anyone comment on the Audiogd NFB 12/12.1 - I've heard that this unit changes the soundstage and sound signature of the HD 600s?

 

I'm looking for a dac/amp unit that is neutral and will enhance and bring out everything I love about the HD600s, and not change the soundstage/signature.  I've been looking at the Audiogd NFB12.1, the Fiio E17, the Audinst MX1 HUD, and the Maverick Tubemagic D1 (in that order), but I'm not completely sold on any of these units.  Although this is going to be my last piece of gear for awhile, I'd like it to play well with a discrete amp if I should choose to grab one in the future (asgard probably).



Well I really like the NFB-12 with the HD600.  I have the version with the filters, but changeable by jumpers rather than switches.  The filter choice given allows you to change between quite warm (with rolled off treble), and reasonably detailed.  I personally found the 2x filters to be too warm (24/192).  There is one 4x filter that's a good mix of warmth and detail (24/96), and one 8x filter (24/48) which is really quite detailed.  I use the 4x as most of my music is either redbook or 24/96.

 

As far as sound-stage goes - I haven't noticed considerable change - but for reference, I was coming from a Fiio E7/E9 combo - which (let's face it) is not exactly known for a wide sound-stage.  I found the NFB-12 outclassed the E7/E9 by a reasonably wide margin for dynamics and presence - with the Fiio combo sounding a little thin.  I do like warmish forward mid emphasis while still having an element of top end detail/sparkle though.

 

I did read that some people have thought the NFB-12 narrowed sound-stage.  I think it really depends on the reference point you're coming from.  For me - I haven't noticed it - and once again, for the cost vs inputs, outputs, quality of the dac, and changeable filters now by switches - I think you'd be hard pressed to beat the combo for the price.

post #1147 of 17469

Curious to know how the E17/E9 combo would fair against say the Matrix M-stage with USB, the Audinst or say the NFB-12

post #1148 of 17469
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Originally Posted by TheChosen0ne View Post

*******it this is such a hard choice.  I got a bunch of mp3s that vary in quality cause for most of the mp3s, I don't exactly get them legally but I also download and watch a lot of music videos in youtube and I always download the highest quality video whether its 1080p or 720p.  I like all genres but listen to mostly pop, R&B, rock/metal and hip hop/rap.  What you guys think is the best for me?  Planning on using E9/E17 combo btw.



while I listen to some of that genre as well I find the HD600 still is the superior headphone.  I could have bought either headphone at the time (600 or 650) and opted 600 after hearing both for extended periods of time


 

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Originally Posted by steelle View Post

Can anyone comment on the Audiogd NFB 12/12.1 - I've heard that this unit changes the soundstage and sound signature of the HD 600s?

 

I'm looking for a dac/amp unit that is neutral and will enhance and bring out everything I love about the HD600s, and not change the soundstage/signature.  I've been looking at the Audiogd NFB12.1, the Fiio E17, the Audinst MX1 HUD, and the Maverick Tubemagic D1 (in that order), but I'm not completely sold on any of these units.  Although this is going to be my last piece of gear for awhile, I'd like it to play well with a discrete amp if I should choose to grab one in the future (asgard probably).



 

I feel like I'm repeating the same thing every week in this thread...anyways I'll be brief I use an Audio-GD amp/dac (FUN) and it's definitely "fun" (no pun intended) with the HD600 and drives them easily to very loud volumes.  Dynamic and a blast.

post #1149 of 17469

To anyone that cares I've been listening to the HD600 and Bottlehead Crack.  Strangely enough I prefer this presentation to my solid state Marantz 2275/Lry and LCD-3.

 

Just goes to show you you have to find your own way through this confusing world of audio...

post #1150 of 17469

O.o

 

I can understand preferring the sound signature, but surely the LCD3 is technically better?

post #1151 of 17469

Yes I suppose but I'm learning that that level of superiority between the two is negligible as far as my own enjoyment of music is concerned. And I like the tube amp sound... perhaps i need to look into a tube amp for the lcds but I am really starting to question if it's worth it.

post #1152 of 17469

Hi,

 

Firstly.. Dream Theater + HD600 = Bliss. I love DT and they have some good material out there. The HD600 sounds really good ith most of their stuff, especially the Black Clouds & Silver Linings album. What an exceptional album, plus the mastering isn't all that bad either ;)

 

Your description of the DT880 being "soulless" is quite accurate. More accurately they have a dip in the mids where that "soul" resides. Also they have elevated treble which can intensify that effect. In really the HD600 isn't not slow at all. It has aluminum voice coils which are very fast but many people see their slight lack of treble to make them sound slow.

 

That Asgard will be a good upgrade for sure and you'll love the HD600's even more.

 

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Originally Posted by ibage View Post

I'm running my HD600 through the Essence STX (soon to be an Asgard) but I listen to prog rock/metal more than anything else really. I'm REALLY liking these for prog. One of the first tracks I listened to with these was Octavarium and I was quite pleased. I can understand the "laid back" label these get but for subtle transitioning in prog, these seem to really handle that well. I've only heard the DT880 32ohm version but to me, they felt slightly "soulless" if that makes any sense. I'm still sorta new to this so I'm not keen on the terminology. However, I've seen more people like the 880s for faster music than the HD600. Take my opinion here with a grain of salt; I've always had odd taste. As far as harder rock goes, I'm not a huge fan of it through these. I'll go for my MS1i. But again, I love what these do for prog. 

 

As far as the amp goes, no idea here. The Asgard will be my first amp so I lack any usable knowledge there. 


 

post #1153 of 17469

Hello, first time poster.  A little history, I got interested in putting together a headphone system  after browsing a thread on a different forum where members posted pics of their headphone rigs.  These ran the gamut from entry level to high end, it was interesting reading, a new world of audio I had not explored yet.  Then I came here and explored for a few weeks for some education.  Last week I found a set of lightly used HD 600's on CL and decided to take the plunge.  After some haggling I got them for $175 which I hope was a decent price.  They look new, no chips/scratches on the headband, cable like new, pads show little wear.  Now that I had some headphones I decided to go full steam ahead and get an amp.  After reading what seemed like a bazillion reviews/impressions here I ordered a Valhalla last Saturday.  It's back ordered so I've been listening via an Oppo BDP-83SE --> Pio Elite AVR in the mean time.  The AVR seems to drive these OK but being a complete noob I can't say that with any authority, but I'm liking what I'm hearing.   I read that the HD 650 cable is beefier and some say better sounding so I ordered one along with a Mogami 10ft extension cable.  Neither has arrived yet.  Any opinions on the Mogami cable?   Well that wraps it up for now, I'm going back to get acquainted with my 600's. 

 

 

 

 

post #1154 of 17469
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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

Hi,

 

Firstly.. Dream Theater + HD600 = Bliss. I love DT and they have some good material out there. The HD600 sounds really good ith most of their stuff, especially the Black Clouds & Silver Linings album. What an exceptional album, plus the mastering isn't all that bad either ;)

 

Your description of the DT880 being "soulless" is quite accurate. More accurately they have a dip in the mids where that "soul" resides. Also they have elevated treble which can intensify that effect. In really the HD600 isn't not slow at all. It has aluminum voice coils which are very fast but many people see their slight lack of treble to make them sound slow.

 

That Asgard will be a good upgrade for sure and you'll love the HD600's even more.

 


 



I picked that album up earlier tonight actually. Haven't gotten a chance to sit and really listen to it. There's something these do for prog my MS1i just can't do. I'm really anxious to see what these sound like with the Asgard however. 

post #1155 of 17469

That something=detail and air :) The ms1 is drier, thicker and more forward yet it lacks the detail and airiness of the senns

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