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post #3511 of 7260
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Originally Posted by Byronb View Post

The 650 is definitely more "lush" than the 600. The point made here is that every piece of the chain can affect the rest. The M&M to me is a better match for the 650. It is a little on the bright side for the 600.

There is also the matter of training your ears to hear things. It takes some time to learn exactly what you are hearing and what you want to hear. I would recommend "practicing" listen to every type of music, listen to other phones and amps. Teach your brain what make things sound different and then you can decide what it is that you actually like and in the process you will learn what combinations of gear will get you there.

lush probably wasn't the right word for me to use, i was thinking of lush as romantic in a appealing to the senses subtext as in like a lush forest. (romantic/appealing to the viewing senses) unless one doesn't like trees, i suppose.. then it's hardly lush or maybe a beach, i don't know..
but on second thought that doesn't fit and it's not really what i meant, i explained in another post it was more a romantic slow dance in a moment, so... a lush forest probably isn't exactly the same thing haha.
the main thing that swayed me to the 600 (well the price but...) was the innerfidelity comparison
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/very-important-sennheiser-hd-580-hd-600-and-hd-650-page-3
(which backs up what you said about the 650 being a bit more lush, warm, thick)

i can't switch from the hd600 to the 650 with tyll hertsens not recommending to do so. biggrin.gif

granted i'm an amateur and i don't know all the technical stuff, i just know what sounds like what to me personally.
fast to me might be slow to another, etc.
Edited by Nowhere - 7/12/13 at 8:26pm
post #3512 of 7260
My point was, that if you don't have a broad experience base then it is really hard to say what you will like and what you won't. As far as reviewers go, there is another area where learning what you like is important. Everyone hears things differently, and you can't know if a particular reviewer has your taste if you don't know what your taste is.
post #3513 of 7260
i know exactly what i like, the problem is actually finding it.
as i said i like a slow, romantic sound usually with female vocals, with distortion and an embryonic like (feeling as in the womb, or underwater) bass sound experience.

but like you said, it's hard to know if what someone else's perception of that is on the same wave length as my own.
i don't have the resource or money to try alot of stuff and so i tried my best at researching for countless hours which ended in this current result based on funds available.

what can ya do... so is what people saying that changing the modi/magni amp isn't going to get me closer to achieving the sound in which i seek? since the hd600 are pretty neutral is there no amp/dac that would push it more toward that sound? like a little nudge so to speak.
i assumed so as i've seen people say certain amps are bright or this or that.

i'll chill out with the hd600 + m/m for a few months and go from there.
thanks for all the comments. later.
post #3514 of 7260
This may sound crazy but you might want to look at vintage audio. An old Pioneer amp from the mid-70's to early 80's will have just the sound you're looking for. I own a few and have some experience with them driving headphones.

Here's a thread for you to look at...

http://www.head-fi.org/t/537704/calling-all-vintage-integrated-receiver-owners
post #3515 of 7260
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

This may sound crazy but you might want to look at vintage audio. An old Pioneer amp from the mid-70's to early 80's will have just the sound you're looking for. I own a few and have some experience with them driving headphones.

Here's a thread for you to look at...

http://www.head-fi.org/t/537704/calling-all-vintage-integrated-receiver-owners

This is actually what I was thinking palmfish. An old school receiver may be just the ticket, and if you are patient it won't break the bank!
post #3516 of 7260
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Originally Posted by Nowhere View Post

i can't switch from the hd600 to the 650 with tyll hertsens not recommending to do so. biggrin.gif
 

 

He recommended the HD600 because of the lower price and stronger treble but if lush warmness is what you're looking for, which it sounds like it is, then his recommendation is moot and the HD650 is probably the one for you. That said, you should be able to get about the same sound out of either of them using some EQ. Try playing around with the frequencies to see if you can recreate the warmness you got when connected to your PC speakers.

post #3517 of 7260
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Originally Posted by devhen View Post

 

He recommended the HD600 because of the lower price and stronger treble but if lush warmness is what you're looking for, which it sounds like it is, then his recommendation is moot and the HD650 is probably the one for you. That said, you should be able to get about the same sound out of either of them using some EQ. Try playing around with the frequencies to see if you can recreate the warmness you got when connected to your PC speakers.

 

So what you are saying is that they are indeed basically the same headphone, just sound a bit different with no EQ but they can be made to sound identical?

post #3518 of 7260

Has anyone used the HD600 with the Xonar STX?

 

Does this combo work well?

post #3519 of 7260
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

 

So what you are saying is that they are indeed basically the same headphone, just sound a bit different with no EQ but they can be made to sound identical?

 

Pretty darn near identical if you get it right.  More importantly you can just tweak it til you like it.

post #3520 of 7260
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

 

So what you are saying is that they are indeed basically the same headphone, just sound a bit different with no EQ but they can be made to sound identical?

 

Pretty darn near identical if you get it right.  More importantly you can just tweak it til you like it.

 

^ Yes, this.

 

Can you make them sound identical? Well that's difficult. "Identical" is an absolute term and it would probably be pretty difficult or impossible to get any two headphones to sound completely identical regardless of the model (or even if they were both the same model!). Theoretically you should be able to get them to sound near identical as Tyll points out and he's absolutely right-- I think its more important to tweak them to sound how you most want them to, as opposed to just trying to make them sound exactly like an HD650 because in that case why not just return them and get the HD650...

 

P.S. Hi Tyll! biggrin.gif


Edited by devhen - 7/13/13 at 6:39pm
post #3521 of 7260

I noticed the color of the HD600 is named "Blue Steel" by Sennheiser, they probably didn't know that term is already taken:

 

 

post #3522 of 7260

I went looking for a portable that I could move from room to room, as I don't have a desktop station and I like to lounge in different places.  My 600's found, for me, just the right timbre with a CLAS/RSA SR71(A or B).  I had read that Ray had developed this little amp with the HD6xx in mind, and I do not doubt it.  Rich, black background, warm sound without losing any of the detail on either the high or low end.  You can step up the sound with a more expensive desk top system, but this fits my bill, being transportable and (a little) more affordable.

post #3523 of 7260
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Originally Posted by bizkid View Post

I noticed the color of the HD600 is named "Blue Steel" by Sennheiser, they probably didn't know that term is already taken:

 

 

No that color name will be Mine!

post #3524 of 7260

I have a couple questions. 

 

First, is the HD 600 worth $300-$400? I have the HD 201 with velour pads and they have worked quite well for over three years, but I'm considering getting headphones that I'd use and love even more, forever. 

 

Second, do I need an amp? I only have my X-Fi Go! Pro USB dongle that I use for headphones with my computer. Would that power the HD 600 ok?

 

If the HD 600 is out of my league, what is the best Sennheiser set that works well without a good amp? The HD 598 also looks good to me but I want it in black.


Edited by TrantaLocked - 7/15/13 at 1:50am
post #3525 of 7260
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Originally Posted by TrantaLocked View Post

 

First, is the HD 600 worth $300-$400? I have the HD 201 with velour pads and they have worked quite well for over three years, but I'm considering getting headphones that I'd use and love even more, forever

 

 

In terms of SQ I tend to find the HD201 - for my limited experience with it - a bit too dark, and with a bit much bass. If your goal is to have a headphone that might stay with you for a long time, I'd say it's hard to go wrong with the HD600 since it's a jack of all music genres. Not to say it's going to do everything good enough and never satisfy you well enough on any genre either; I love it for metal and classical, and also jazz.*

 

 

*Contrary to popular opinion, I've preferred my SR225 for jazz and the HD600 for most metal. The SR225 gives jazz music a more raw feel to it, but makes even decent metal recordings a bit too grating on my ears. HD600 reproduces decent metal recordings well while smoothing badly recorded materials a little bit.

 

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Originally Posted by TrantaLocked View Post

 

Second, do I need an amp? I only have my X-Fi Go! Pro USB dongle that I use for headphones with my computer. Would that power the HD 600 ok?

 

Need is very relative. In a more absolute sense, I'd say definitely not - it's definitely listenable with almost any source even without a more dedicated or beefier headphone amp circuit. It won't be horrible, it's just that with amplification you're pushing hard, when you listen to a proper amp, you might immediately notice how much better it is. For example, back when I still had an iPod 5g, Touch 4g, and a Cowon S9, I've used them all to drive the HD600 while the power's out and the bigger problem for me was the heat (no A/C nor electric fans) my sweat was on the pads. Now I can use them with my iPad2, or my Galaxy S3 with an Ibasso D-Zero (through USB OTG) in the same situations, and I don't really notice how much better my Cantate.2 is until the power's back on and I use that one. That or psychologically I'm just thankful I can listen with decent headphones, while others will really pay attention to the weaknesses (they probably don't have enough storms knocking down cables wherever they are).

 

That said, you should invest in an amp and a nice DAC down the line (no problem if you have both in the same box, just get the ones with a decent circuit design). Oh, and new earpads every 15mos or so (still depending on your use) - when they get too squishy the bottom range of the response gets over bearing.

 

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Originally Posted by TrantaLocked View Post

If the HD 600 is out of my league, what is the best Sennheiser set that works well without a good amp? The HD 598 also looks good to me but I want it in black.

 

For absolute value for money, there's the HD238 for about $100 if I remember right. IEMs will expand your choices given these will probably run well with anything they're plugged into, like the IE8.  However, how much would you be able to get the HD598? I mean if it's $250 on Amazon new, and the HD600 refurbs are $299 on Razordog, I'd rather get the latter.

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