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post #2176 of 7318
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Originally Posted by kyledotroberts View Post

So for the HD600's it is worth potentially upgrading cables?

 

For sound reasons or just for durability?
 

edit: I honestly have looked into this before via posts and forum search etc but I still get back to the same questions...

 

Some are big believers, and others are waving the ABX flags calling bullsh!t :P

 

Butttt when it does come to the Sennheisers, both the 600 and 650 I have seen mention of cables a lot and tbh I'm quite interested in giving the 600's a go again, just wanted opinions on if the stock cable is a lower than average quality hence the upgrade even a fairly lower cost scale upgrade is worth it, or if people still see no difference :)

 

If you go DIY you can get a quite nice quality and cheap cable.

 

However, if you go the famous cable route, your chances of selling it is a lot lot higher.

post #2177 of 7318
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Originally Posted by kyledotroberts View Post
Butttt when it does come to the Sennheisers, both the 600 and 650 I have seen mention of cables a lot and tbh I'm quite interested in giving the 600's a go again, just wanted opinions on if the stock cable is a lower than average quality hence the upgrade even a fairly lower cost scale upgrade is worth it, or if people still see no difference :)

 

There's a material reason for that, all because Sennheiser had a practical reason for the design : user replaceable cables. The cables are almost always the first thing to break in a head/earphone and by doing this Sennheiser's primary objective is to save time servicing them (especially those under warranty) and instead they can just send (sell) you a replacement. That basically opened the doors to aftermarket manufacturers who won't need to require you to send in the headphones, which also voids the warranty. While I personally believe the cables make a difference I don't hate the HD600 stock cable - it's robust enough and even has both 3.5mm and 6.3mm on one very slim but hardly cheap-feeling plug. 

 

As much as I like that plug though, I'm willing to try better copper conductors and a 6.3mm without a converter plug built into it, just to see if it actually has less resistance. I won't blow too much money on that though. I've had much feedback about using good quality, pro-grade Star-Quad-type (microphone) cables - and you can get them in shorter cuts off the large spools from eBay.

post #2178 of 7318
Just don't go overboard on spending on a cable, $20 max is probably about it. Cables in most cases are snake oils. If you thinking spending hundreds of dollars on a cable would transform your headphones into something else, then you're sorely mistaken.
post #2179 of 7318

The stock cable is OFC. That's 99.99% pure - oxygen free. I think you'll be hard pressed to "improve" upon it... smile.gif

 

The plug adapter doesn't add any significant resistance either. 

 

You won't gain any performance "improvements," but the chance to make a cable of higher material feel or shorter length is well worth the effort if you are so inclined. plus, it's fun!

post #2180 of 7318
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Originally Posted by Han Bao Quan View Post

Just don't go overboard on spending on a cable, $20 max is probably about it. Cables in most cases are snake oils. If you thinking spending hundreds of dollars on a cable would transform your headphones into something else, then you're sorely mistaken.

 

I'd up that to $25 so one can buy the more durable HD650 stock cable.

post #2181 of 7318
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

The stock cable is OFC. That's 99.99% pure - oxygen free. I think you'll be hard pressed to "improve" upon it... smile.gif

 

The plug adapter doesn't add any significant resistance either. 

 

You won't gain any performance "improvements," but the chance to make a cable of higher material feel or shorter length is well worth the effort if you are so inclined. plus, it's fun!

 

Well I've found that the plug adapter than comes with the Senns is a bad design and could result in damage to one's headphone jack. The reason being that it effectively creates one solid long plug, resulting in a fair bit of torque if you have the cable dangling from it (torque = weight x length). I much prefer something like the Grado 1/4 to 1/8" adapter, which is more manageable:

 

post #2182 of 7318

I love my HD 600's but they sometimes seem too warm for me.

 

When I listent to speed metal, I have to trim down the bass or else my 600's seem too "slow."

 

When I listen to rap/hip-hop, I'll get a bass headache early in my listening unless I trim back the bass.

 

I bought my HD 600's for their reputation, modularity, resellability, venerability, etc. but... I'm starting to wonder if I should've kept those DT 880 600ohm's.

post #2183 of 7318
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Originally Posted by Han Bao Quan View Post

Just don't go overboard on spending on a cable, $20 max is probably about it. Cables in most cases are snake oils. If you thinking spending hundreds of dollars on a cable would transform your headphones into something else, then you're sorely mistaken.

 

I think the stock finished cable is worth a bit more than ; but if it's just for the conductors, that's gonna go a long way already. Maybe enough to rewire another headphone and this is already good quality cable.

 

 

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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

The stock cable is OFC. That's 99.99% pure - oxygen free. I think you'll be hard pressed to "improve" upon it... smile.gif

 

The plug adapter doesn't add any significant resistance either. 

 

You won't gain any performance "improvements," but the chance to make a cable of higher material feel or shorter length is well worth the effort if you are so inclined. plus, it's fun!

 

I tried silver-coated copper before, real cheap, but it made everything louder (but the extremes more so than the mids) - so I'm assuming there could at least be some gains for not a lot of money if you can DIY the cable or know someone who can. More so because I can afford to experiment for <$50 right now rather than buy the new cable online, then pay international shipping and import duties (our local distro sucks at stocking these things), which by my count would be well over $60 (minimum $30 at today's ForEx if Phl officials decide your item is taxable). But if I was still in the US or somebody's flying in, I'd probably just get another stock cable just for the nice, very convenient plug.

 

And there's the length also - I need it shorter than 5ft. Looping/wrapping it around anything hasn't really worked for me.

 

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Originally Posted by Eisenhower View Post

 

Well I've found that the plug adapter than comes with the Senns is a bad design and could result in damage to one's headphone jack. The reason being that it effectively creates one solid long plug, resulting in a fair bit of torque if you have the cable dangling from it (torque = weight x length). I much prefer something like the Grado 1/4 to 1/8" adapter, which is more manageable:

 

 

 

I had that Grado adapter (and an SR225) before and best I remember the HD600 stock cable plug is way smaller than the Grado 6.3mm, not a lot larger than the 3.5mm, and the stock cable is so light it doesn't really put much weight on the plug or the socket. Is there a different HD600 cable out there?

post #2184 of 7318
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Originally Posted by ProtegeManiac View Post

I had that Grado adapter (and an SR225) before and best I remember the HD600 stock cable plug is way smaller than the Grado 6.3mm, not a lot larger than the 3.5mm, and the stock cable is so light it doesn't really put much weight on the plug or the socket. Is there a different HD600 cable out there?

 

Its not. Not at the actual 1/8" plug. I mean think about it, the barrel-type adapter that comes stock has to be long enough to hold both the 1/4" jack and the 1/8" plug, whereas the Gardo adapter has a flexible cable between them, which reduces torque.

 

And while yes, the stock cable is light, I still put tension on it when rolling over it with a chair, for example. But maybe others are more careful than me.

post #2185 of 7318

From your music selection I'm a little surprised you were drawn to the HD600, not that it can't handle those genre, but not really what it's reputation makes it "known" for...

 

 

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Originally Posted by suburbanite View Post

I love my HD 600's but they sometimes seem too warm for me.

 

When I listent to speed metal, I have to trim down the bass or else my 600's seem too "slow."

 

When I listen to rap/hip-hop, I'll get a bass headache early in my listening unless I trim back the bass.

 

I bought my HD 600's for their reputation, modularity, resellability, venerability, etc. but... I'm starting to wonder if I should've kept those DT 880 600ohm's.

post #2186 of 7318

Hi kyle:

 

At least you must upgrade to hd650 stock cable.

If you drive from an external amp not a portable one, then i think the upgrade is worth it,

hd600 is unforgiving headphones if compared to hd650 due to dfficulty to make them sing.

i believe it is the headphones ohm related

post #2187 of 7318

Sub.

post #2188 of 7318
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Originally Posted by shipsupt View Post

From your music selection I'm a little surprised you were drawn to the HD600, not that it can't handle those genre, but not really what it's reputation makes it "known" for...

 

 


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post #2189 of 7318
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Originally Posted by shipsupt View Post

From your music selection I'm a little surprised you were drawn to the HD600, not that it can't handle those genre, but not really what it's reputation makes it "known" for...

 

They are good for every genre. That's the beauty of using a neutral sounding headphone

post #2190 of 7318

nevermind.............

 

I was going to say I don't think the HD-600 are all that neutral sounding (but close), but that would only derail this thread and make people hate me.

I forget this is the HD-600 appreciation thread.

 

I actually think the 580 sounds more neutral (same driver and all) confused_face_2.gif


Edited by tdockweiler - 11/20/12 at 10:34pm
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