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post #16 of 37
Thread Starter 

well I want the phones that can most faithfully reproduce the recording, regardless of the genre. And the contenders for that requirement just happen to be the two that I'm debating on. I don't care if a headphone puts emphasis on specific frequency and renders it better than other brands and other notes in that same phone. To me that's just like a built in EQ and I don't plan on focusing on only one instrument when I'm listening to music. As I've said, I used to own HD600 that I used only for electronica- and was quite happy with it. I should add that I also owned denon D7000 for a brief period and was not as impressed with the performance, again, also listening only to electronica. I'm a soundstage nut so D7000 just couldn't compete with an open can. and the midrange on the D7000 was not that special, although overall it was extremely extended from top to bottom. I just want the phones with the best fidelity within the price range. Let's forget which one has better coloration suited for electronica- which is actually too broad a genre to deem it as music that always require bass emphasis. (listen to squarepusher for example. his bass is very british- light and subdued). No, my focus is soundstage, midrange 'magic' and smooth highs. 

post #17 of 37

I owned both hd600 and k701/702. Sold both, bought again hd580 with white mesh and he-60 earpads. Fully satisfied, not ever thinking about k701. Listening mainly electronic music. 

post #18 of 37

Owned the K701.

Got tired of the thinner sound, but mostly the headphones were so incredibly uncomfortable. The headband puts a lot of pressure right on the top of your head.

Try wearing them for a full album before you decide.

 

Sennheisers are much more comfortable and overall better sounding.

post #19 of 37

 

curiousmuffin, the "oomph" is due to the presentation. I didn't notice any significant hump on any of the frequencies on either of the cans. Overall, HD600s sound slightly warmer, but I'm not sure if that is because of certain frequencies.

 

Imagine a shower head that has different settings -- spray, stream, and so forth. K701s hit you like spray, the sound coming from wider angles. You feel more immersed in the sound. HD600s are more like a stream, the sound hitting you more directly, and not as spread out. Thus the "oomph." But that's strictly compared to the K701s -- I've heard other cans where the sound hits you much more as a chunk than the HD600s.

 

"would you say that the AKG was more neutral of the two?"

 

"Neutral" and "accurate" are 2 of the adjectives I avoid when describing sound reproduction. I wasn't there at the recording session, so I have no idea what the actual instruments sounded like, what the artists and the engineers heard through their monitor speakers or headphones, nor what they intended the recording to sound like. So unless there is clear coloration (Etymotic MC3s make Angus Young's guitar sound way too tinny for an SG/Marshall combination, for example), I don't think I am qualified to make that call.

 

Also, I am not sure what you mean by "each layers of music," but I say the K701s have superior instrument separation.

 

Oh, and as Tood R said, I find the HD600s more comfortable than the K701s. The bump on the band start to feel uncomfortable after a certain period of time. I had to stretch the rubber bands to make the headband less tight.

 

Hope this helps ...

post #20 of 37

"No, my focus is soundstage, midrange 'magic' and smooth highs."

 

I don't find the 702 midrange to be overly 'magical'. To my ears, it's kind of pale and thin. FWIR, the hd600 would give more weight to the mids.

post #21 of 37
Thread Starter 

Has anyone been able to compare the comfort level of K701 to K241? I have no issues with the headband pressure from my K271, and it's in fact the earpads themselves that get painful after an hour or so. But I imagine the headband would create another problem if it had pressure points from the bumps. 

 

I agree, shinnbone, nothing can be truly neutral but is always welcomed to be as close to as possible. I was only trying to find out the opposite- which can is more colored of the two? Though it's true that one can only guess at what the engineer was hearing when the recording was made, if every recording from every artist has an emphasis toward certain frequency, I think it can be safe to assume that something on the listener's end is biased and therefore, not 'neutral'. With the audio term neutral, I think of disfavoring of certain colorations in sound. Sure the fastest snail in the world may not still be fast to the eyes of a tiger, but it's still the fastest of it's kind. Just as a headphone could also be more neutral and most neutral, while not in the eyes of the guitar string that plays the same note exactly the same way every time it's plucked, only to have every headphones in the world render it slightly differently. Like many adjectives in the hobby, the term neutral is used subjectively to me, I'm afraid.

 

For me midrange 'magic' consists of well preserved harmonics* and smoothness. *clarity, transparency, ect. I think mid-bass is mostly responsible for the thickness of the sound? not sure...

 

So far HD600 seems to be the safer choice as it has been from the start. I'll go back to that headphone shop and give the K701 a good wear to see if the bumps start being bothersome. I didn't see HD6X0 series last time, though. Shame :(

 

hehe sorry guys it's way past my bedtime and I had been rambling. xP.

post #22 of 37

The mids in the K701 are very dry. Vocals are overly bright without much warmth. The upper mids and lower treble emphasis on the K701 is very obvious. Lower mids and bass are left behind. The HD600 will have more warmth and natural tone though it's a bit recessed in the treble.

post #23 of 37

Agree....a lot of this is purely subjective....but there's probably a good reason that the hd600 was used for mastering a lot of classical albums. It probably portrays the sound of acoustic instruments very faithfully. Not that the 702 is horrible by any means....just a bit thin and light weight in the middle and lower midrange and overpowering in the upper midrange, IMO.

post #24 of 37
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well I want the phones that can most faithfully reproduce the recording, regardless of the genre. And the contenders for that requirement just happen to be the two that I'm debating on. I don't care if a headphone puts emphasis on specific frequency and renders it better than other brands and other notes in that same phone. To me that's just like a built in EQ and I don't plan on focusing on only one instrument when I'm listening to music. As I've said, I used to own HD600 that I used only for electronica- and was quite happy with it. I should add that I also owned denon D7000 for a brief period and was not as impressed with the performance, again, also listening only to electronica. I'm a soundstage nut so D7000 just couldn't compete with an open can. and the midrange on the D7000 was not that special, although overall it was extremely extended from top to bottom. I just want the phones with the best fidelity within the price range. Let's forget which one has better coloration suited for electronica- which is actually too broad a genre to deem it as music that always require bass emphasis. (listen to squarepusher for example. his bass is very british- light and subdued). No, my focus is soundstage, midrange 'magic' and smooth highs. 

 

 

If you don't mind a bit of a bass-lite sound, I think you should find an old K400 or K500 or K501.  It has better soundstage and imaging than the HD600, it has a more lifelike midrange, and it has smoother highs than the K701.  You can also find them for less money than either the HD600 or K701.   It has the airy soundstage of the K701 without all the faults, IMO.
 

post #25 of 37
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I should add that I don't listen to elecrtronica specifically for the bass impact but for it's undisputed speed of rhythm and pace, and also the artificial soundstaging is very fun to immerse in. So if I had a choice between the cans I would ultimately choose the one with better prat and soundstaging over bass impact. And of course cleaner midrange. ( I think AGKs are king in this department?)

 

If this is the case, you might look into the Sony MDR-SA5000.  They are generally a bit more expensive, but their speed and definition is incredible.  I'd suggest demoing them first if possible though, as they might prove to be too bass light for your tastes.

post #26 of 37

Save your money and buy an ortho very_evil_smiley.gif.

post #27 of 37
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Agree....a lot of this is purely subjective....but there's probably a good reason that the hd600 was used for mastering a lot of classical albums. It probably portrays the sound of acoustic instruments very faithfully. Not that the 702 is horrible by any means....just a bit thin and light weight in the middle and lower midrange and overpowering in the upper midrange, IMO.



Do you know if K271 is similarly voiced to K701? On my 271 I definitely get that coloration that you describe. Its good for critical listening but gets rather unattractive in longer listening sessions. 

 

Sony SA5000 to me is the least attractive of the three and it's well out of my budget limit. It's said to have a clinical presentation and worse soundstaging than the HD650. Two big nahs in my book. 

 

I should have mentioned this sooner but what about recabled K702? I would be recabling the HD600 anyways so K702 should be given an equal consideration. Perhaps it's the remedy to the dilemma at hand? 

post #28 of 37

I just re-read the OP's post after having read through the entire thread... let this be a reminder that head-fi is a subjective hobby with no right or wrong decision (unless beats are invovled :P). If you ever manage to narrow-down your choices to 2, which is quite an achievement, don't ask for further advice....just make the damn choice on your own. wink_face.gif

post #29 of 37

@curiousmuffin: I tried a mogami cable with mine but they're still definitely brighter than any other phones I've heard...and the mids don't seem to have changed either. I seriously doubt I could pass a double blind test and tell one cable from the other. Haven't heard the 271 or sa 5000. Not sure I want to....especially the sony which would probably be too much on the bright side of the spectrum. If I decide to get rid of the 702 it'll most likely be for the 50X or even the hd600.

post #30 of 37

I've had the K271 and the K701. They are very, very similar in signature. The K701 is a tad warmer headphone. The highs and the low end extend further than the K271. The K271, from what I remember, is a very bright headphone.
 

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Agree....a lot of this is purely subjective....but there's probably a good reason that the hd600 was used for mastering a lot of classical albums. It probably portrays the sound of acoustic instruments very faithfully. Not that the 702 is horrible by any means....just a bit thin and light weight in the middle and lower midrange and overpowering in the upper midrange, IMO.



Do you know if K271 is similarly voiced to K701? On my 271 I definitely get that coloration that you describe. Its good for critical listening but gets rather unattractive in longer listening sessions. 

 

Sony SA5000 to me is the least attractive of the three and it's well out of my budget limit. It's said to have a clinical presentation and worse soundstaging than the HD650. Two big nahs in my book. 

 

I should have mentioned this sooner but what about recabled K702? I would be recabling the HD600 anyways so K702 should be given an equal consideration. Perhaps it's the remedy to the dilemma at hand? 

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