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HD600 vs K701? (just one more battle to seal my decision)

post #1 of 37
Thread Starter 

I already own a K271 and wanting to get open headphones for primary use since 271's discomfort is getting long on the tooth. Having already read various threads on the subject matter, HD600 seems like what I should choose.. again. Since I've owned a pair of it in the past and was satisfied with it. I did demo K701 last week, however, and was blown away by its transparency and detail. I wasn't listening to it long or loud enough to detect that infamous high freq. glare. 

 

The price difference between the two are really marginal and I'm already familiar with their said strengths and weaknesses... I just wanted to gather more opinions on the table by making this thread. HD600 has more bass but 701 has that prat which is just as important to me in my music preference- electronica. I'm also a picky listener when it comes to soundstage but 701 is suppose to have that 'glare' which I did not hear. Does it only become obvious at high volume listening? I tend to listen to headphones at low volumes only. Also the points I'd like more insight on are- musicality, coherency. which headphones do those better? let the battle continue. :)

post #2 of 37

I've never heard the HD600's so I can't accurately comment on those but I did have a pair of 701's for well over a year and I didn't find anything objectionable about them. I don't what "glare" means in relation to hearing but each of us have such different hearing that it doesn't much matter, I don't think. I know a guy who said the 701's were too shrill for him and the upper treble actually hurt his ears after a while but I don't know at what volume he was listening. Personally, I really liked the clarity they provided, for me but you might find them too bright. 

 

The fact that you got to listen to a pair is a good thing and I would say if you liked those, get them. You already know how the HD600's sound, but then again I'm partial to the AKG's. 

post #3 of 37

As a previous owner of K702 and a current owner of HD600, I say the HD600 is a far better headphones.

post #4 of 37

I am of the opposite belief. Clean midrange, accurate highs, and detailed bass on the K702. The HD600 feel very veiled in comparison.

post #5 of 37

Neither headphone is ultimately better. I have listened to both and it really depends on your preference. If you liked the way one sounded, go with that one, especially since they sound so different and liking one will probably result in a dislike for the other. You should also note that the HD600 don't do electronica too well. In fact, if that's your most listened genre, go with some Beyerdynamics or Ultrasones, the latter being the better choice, imo.

post #6 of 37

I would personally pick neither for Electronica since they are both pretty bass light and laid back for it

post #7 of 37

If you want an open electronica headphone, you should be looking at the ATH AD2000. They are very punchy and fast headphones. Some of the best bass impact in an open headphone I've heard and combined with the spacious sound of an open headphone, it's fantastic for electronica.

post #8 of 37
Thread Starter 

I should add that I don't listen to elecrtronica specifically for the bass impact but for it's undisputed speed of rhythm and pace, and also the artificial soundstaging is very fun to immerse in. So if I had a choice between the cans I would ultimately choose the one with better prat and soundstaging over bass impact. And of course cleaner midrange. ( I think AGKs are king in this department?)

 

Also if I'm to get the HD600, I will be upgrading the cable asap, since I did that last time with great results. With the re cabling wouldn't it change the game a little bit more in HD600's favor? I don't remember it having better PraT due to it but then again I never paid much attention to that aspect in the past... would it? 

post #9 of 37

A friend of mine recently got HD600s, and sold me his K701s, so he clearly preferred the HD600s.

 

When I went to pick up the K701s, we compared them pretty extensively, listening to whole songs with each, as well as switching frequently in the middle of a song to listen to the same passages. This was done just for fun, but it did make the differences clear.

 

K701s have better instrument separation and wider soundstage, as the OP noted. Some call the soundstage artificial, but being a musician, I enjoy feeling as if I am onstage with the band. HD600s have more "oomph" to the sound. Busier songs -- denser instrumentation, faster tempo, etc. -- have more impact on the HD600s than the K701s.

 

As for the high--frequency, they seem to have about the same amount of highs. K701s' highs can be a bit harsher I guess, but through my friend's headphone amp (PS Audio, don't know the model), they both sounded a little too heavy on the highs for my taste.

 

Using the K701s at home, I've found some CDs, especially old CDs from the early- to mid-80s, before they started mastering specifically for digital, to sound really shrill and brittle with the K701s. This may be the "glare." Well-recoded and mastered CDs sound awesome, though. Not sure whether the HD600s would present older CDs the same way.

 

But if I am not comparing them side-by-side, I would enjoy the music just as much with either. I think they are both great cans. If I were trying to decide which to buy, I guess the price difference vs. the upgradability (replaceable cables) would be the decisive factor. In my current situation (broke), I would pick the less expensive K701s, but if I could afford them, I may get the HD600s for the future upgradability.

 

Just my impressions.

post #10 of 37

AD2000 is not a basshead headphone. I don't think anyone that has heard the AD2000 and Sennheiser HD650 or AKG K701 would say that either the Senn or AKG is better at electronica. The AD2000 is clearly the more energetic headphone out of the two. However, you won't know until you try if it's for you.
 

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I should add that I don't listen to elecrtronica specifically for the bass impact but for it's undisputed speed of rhythm and pace, and also the artificial soundstaging is very fun to immerse in. So if I had a choice between the cans I would ultimately choose the one with better prat and soundstaging over bass impact. And of course cleaner midrange. ( I think AGKs are king in this department?)

 

Also if I'm to get the HD600, I will be upgrading the cable asap, since I did that last time with great results. With the re cabling wouldn't it change the game a little bit more in HD600's favor? I don't remember it having better PraT due to it but then again I never paid much attention to that aspect in the past... would it? 

post #11 of 37

K701 is harder to drive than HD600 I guess. K701 when properly driven is fantastic I assume. I assume K701 is sparkler than HD600. I mean K701 is brighter than HD600. In the end, both headphones are excellent headphones if driven well by an amp.biggrin.gif The amp that you're going to use will dictate the sound quality of these 2 great headphones.biggrin.gif Choose wisely.biggrin.gif

post #12 of 37
Thread Starter 

Hehe i was gonna use the Dared(? or is it Indeed) hybrid mosfet amp. you know the $30 super miniature one. My budget goes into headphones now, and the amp in the future. Do you think it will drive the K701 well enough? (I better go do some forum searching in the meanwhile) That's funny you pick the AKG, shinnbone. Because where I'm at (china), HD600 is available for about $20 cheaper than the K701. I'm assuming that the "oomph" you felt was probably the mid-bass hump that the HD600 is known for... would you say that the AKG was more neutral of the two? which one had better 'composure'? being able to render each layers of music more distinctively. 

post #13 of 37

The HD600 is not known for a midbass hump, that is the HD650.  The HD600 is very neutral, if not a bit bright and bass-lite IMO. 

post #14 of 37

Why are you so caught up on K701 and HD600 for electronica? I've tried both and they were both unimpressive with electronica.

post #15 of 37


 

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Originally Posted by Shinnbone View Post

A friend of mine recently got HD600s, and sold me his K701s, so he clearly preferred the HD600s.

 

When I went to pick up the K701s, we compared them pretty extensively, listening to whole songs with each, as well as switching frequently in the middle of a song to listen to the same passages. This was done just for fun, but it did make the differences clear.

 

K701s have better instrument separation and wider soundstage, as the OP noted. Some call the soundstage artificial, but being a musician, I enjoy feeling as if I am onstage with the band. HD600s have more "oomph" to the sound. Busier songs -- denser instrumentation, faster tempo, etc. -- have more impact on the HD600s than the K701s.

 

As for the high--frequency, they seem to have about the same amount of highs. K701s' highs can be a bit harsher I guess, but through my friend's headphone amp (PS Audio, don't know the model), they both sounded a little too heavy on the highs for my taste.

 

Using the K701s at home, I've found some CDs, especially old CDs from the early- to mid-80s, before they started mastering specifically for digital, to sound really shrill and brittle with the K701s. This may be the "glare." Well-recoded and mastered CDs sound awesome, though. Not sure whether the HD600s would present older CDs the same way.

 

But if I am not comparing them side-by-side, I would enjoy the music just as much with either. I think they are both great cans. If I were trying to decide which to buy, I guess the price difference vs. the upgradability (replaceable cables) would be the decisive factor. In my current situation (broke), I would pick the less expensive K701s, but if I could afford them, I may get the HD600s for the future upgradability.

 

Just my impressions.


 

I prefer the 702s over the 600s as well, especially for making music/ mixing and mastering. For electronica I'll recommend the Ultrasones (Pro/PL-650), 80% of the K-70X sound stage and more bass.

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