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post #136 of 195

I really thought they were unlistenable, and I'd take the apple buds over them.  I can't speak for anyone else, but if the Ed10's cost $35, and the PortaPros cost $2700, that world would make a lot more sense to me. 

 

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I have to wonder if people really think the Ed10's are truly that "awful", or if they are basing their vehement disdain due to their US$2700 MSRP?

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I have to wonder if people really think the Ed10's are truly that "awful", or if they are basing their vehement disdain due to their US$2700 MSRP?
It is a hefty price tag and I don't think they're worth $2700 but I am a fan nonetheless.
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post #139 of 195

Ouch! 2-7-4-9-USD!

post #140 of 195
I can't say how much my reasoning is influenced by the price, I guess the price is an aggravating factor for my opinion... I listened to the edition 10 and stax sr009 at their launch in japan on the same day and it did not go well for one of them. To make matters worse, my hearing had been conditioned wih stat sound during months and I hadn't listened to a s-logic phone for a long while. Icing on the cake was probably close to awful amp pairing for the ultrasone. I gave it a 2nd and 3rd chance at different occasions though, never did it for me...
post #141 of 195

"Small handfull of people"? "The rest of us"? "To a larger number of people"? Respectfully, I doubt these generalizations can be qualified with actual numbers. Again, what I've witnessed here - including the sad state of this thread - is that for the most part you get the same old compulsive members posting indiscriminately on subjects they lack extensive experience with. Please notice that I said "for the most part."

This trend extends to the point that those who may appreciate any product maligned by this posse, are reluctant to participate, thus my allusion to this forum veering away from open discussion to coerced indoctrination. Actually, I've heard from a few members who enjoyed the Ed 10, but felt safer expressing their views via private messaging.

 

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... Maybe what has condemned the ED10s is that they suit perfectly a small handful of people, the rest of us simply find them to sound awful. That's nothing to do with Head-Fi, it's simply that the obvious fact that headphones that sound good to a larger number of people are going to be more popular. 


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post #142 of 195
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Originally Posted by jpelg View Post

I have to wonder if people really think the Ed10's are truly that "awful", or if they are basing their vehement disdain due to their US$2700 MSRP?

Yes, they are.... I owned them twice. First, one of the 10 original units shipped to the US that had the ear pad issue and then later again with the new ear pads and even recabled with the Zeus cable. The second pair was a little better BUT still not worth the money IMO. I really tried to like them but just could not stand the upper midrange and the highs. To me they were very unnatural. If they were less than $1,000 maybe otherwise I rather buy something else.

post #143 of 195
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As an occasional visitor to head-fi, I kinda get the impression that this forum is more about indoctrination than discussion. I also bought my Ed 10 for a substantial discount, with basically no expectations after reading comments posted in another thread. To my surprise, the phones revealed themselves to be outstanding performers, specially in terms of soundstaging, which unfortunately, seems less relevant here than an occasional sibilance on the voices of contraltos singing Wagner lullabies or crashing cymbals in Bach's cantatas!

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I greatly enjoyed my long time with the Ed 10, pairing it with a SPL Phonitor, with surprisingly little use of its cross-feed circuitry, which felt unnecessary because of the phones' own out-of-the-head presentation. Whether that's due to Ultrasone's S-Logic technology or not, it's irrelevant to me. Suffice to say that I was very sad to part company with the duo, partly to finance my purchase of a Stax SR-009/SRM-727II combo.
 

 

Believe me, in the first 10 minutes listening to the SR009/SRM-727II they will make you forget anything else...ksc75smile.gif

post #144 of 195

Could the problem here be that quality control is horribly amiss?

 

Some examples sounding like earbleed torture devices, while others sound half decent.

 

This coupled with the different listeners' reaction to hot treble and the rest of the chain of components can cetainly explain the vaired responses.

Another factor is the listeners' experience with other high end phones and source gear.

By this, I mean that someone who is a headphone/Hifi newbie could be thinking that this expensive can is what the top end products should sound like.

Others, coming from the Senn HD650/HD600, would be curling their toes in anguish while hastily removing the ED10 from their sconces.

post #145 of 195

Oh god. I forgot what an amazing review that was. Probably my favorite ever.

 

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post #146 of 195

 To be honest, I'm fan of dark sound but I can still stand grado or hd 800. The ed 10 on the other hand is something too extreme for me. But to be fair if they placed it in the mid-fi range, the ed 10 might gather some more fans. one of my friends just adores the way it renders vocal.

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Could the problem here be that quality control is horribly amiss?

Some examples sounding like earbleed torture devices, while others sound half decent.

This coupled with the different listeners' reaction to hot treble and the rest of the chain of components can cetainly explain the vaired responses.
Another factor is the listeners' experience with other high end phones and source gear.
By this, I mean that someone who is a headphone/Hifi newbie could be thinking that this expensive can is what the top end products should sound like.
Others, coming from the Senn HD650/HD600, would be curling their toes in anguish while hastily removing the ED10 from their sconces.
I completely agree with you. Going from my hd650s to the ed 10s was not comfortable at all. Luckily I have a pair of pro 2900s so it lessened the blow.
Here's the kicker though. I just sent my Ed 10s out for a recable and I tried using the hd650s but I was horrified. Seriously, they sound dead and lifeless now. And the fit is completely uncomfortable. It's very depressing cause I've got a lot of money into the 650s and they were my favorite.
You may be thinking I'm imagining this because of the cost of the Ed 10s but I assure you I paid a low price for them. Also sliding the headphones forward negated some of the brightness I was experiencing.
post #148 of 195
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Could the problem here be that quality control is horribly amiss?

 

Some examples sounding like earbleed torture devices, while others sound half decent.

 

 

 

Actually, there is something to this. Quite a bit of variation existed from one batch of Edition 9s to another, with the earlier non-serial numbers generally sounding better. The Edition 8 is even more variable in my experience: the first ruthenium version I owned was much less glaring and harsh than the Limited Edition version for which I "traded up" eventually. I've spoken with some other head-fiers who compared three sets around the same time and found them to be markedly variable from one another.

 

Stands to reason the Edition 10 would be similar. I've always maintained that, while flawed, it wasn't as bad a headphone as some claim. My particular set just doesn't seem to exhibit the problems to the extent some report. In terms of FR it isn't great, but its ability to render spatial qualities and holographic characteristic keep me from writing it off.

post #149 of 195
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 To be honest, I'm fan of dark sound but I can still stand grado or hd 800. The ed 10 on the other hand is something too extreme for me. But to be fair if they placed it in the mid-fi range, the ed 10 might gather some more fans. one of my friends just adores the way it renders vocal.

I agree in that regard. Female vocals were outstanding and the bass for an open desing was very good too but I just could not pass thought the upper midrange and highs. I rememebr listening to Hotel California from Hell Freezes Over  and the snear drum sounded so metalic and unnatural that it was a joke.

 

I am not a bass head and I don't like dark sounding headphones, I love my HD800, HE-6 and SR-009 but could not stand the ED10. I tried them in my two systems. First Wadia 20 -> Wadia 27 -> RP010B MkII and then TEAC VRDS-10 -> PS Audio PWD -> WA5LE so I don't think the issue was lack of quality of the sources and amplifier.

 

I also owned a pair of Apuresound V2 recabled Edition 9 and IMO they were much more better sounding and musical than the Edition 10. Unfortunately in my case the Ed 9 were too uncomfortable and got me tiered of them in about 20 minutes of listening. if the Ed 9 cups were just a little bit larger like the ones in the AT M50 would be a total different story.

post #150 of 195
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I agree in that regard. Female vocals were outstanding and the bass for an open desing was very good too but I just could not pass thought the upper midrange and highs. I rememebr listening to Hotel California from Hell Freezes Over  and the snear drum sounded so metalic and unnatural that it was a joke.

 

I am not a bass head and I don't like dark sounding headphones, I love my HD800, HE-6 and SR-009 but could not stand the ED10. I tried them in my two systems. First Wadia 20 -> Wadia 27 -> RP010B MkII and then TEAC VRDS-10 -> PS Audio PWD -> WA5LE so I don't think the issue was lack of quality of the sources and amplifier.

 

I also owned a pair of Apuresound V2 recabled Edition 9 and IMO they were much more better sounding and musical than the Edition 10. Unfortunately in my case the Ed 9 were too uncomfortable and got me tiered of them in about 20 minutes of listening. if the Ed 9 cups were just a little bit larger like the ones in the AT M50 would be a total different story.

 

 

was the ed10 balanced for the rudi?

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