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Ok well I definitely might get them. Do you think a Fiio Mont Blanc would be adequate for mobile use? obviously that would be rare like just on trips, mainly home use. 

You think they'd be good for Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Leonard Cohen, Roy Orbison etc? 

 

The Fiio will drive them, but nowhere near their capability. The HE400's would be better for mobile use in that sense as they are more efficient. Having said that I powered mine with a little c'moy once and they didn't sound too bad. But bare in mind that all planars require more power than normal dynamics.

 
Getting back to vintage though ; The HE500's should be ideal. And yes those old classics will sound amazing. I'm a big Zep fan and the 500's are great at reproducing electric guitar, they have a classic planar mid range and probably the best treble I've heard in a headphone. A vintage amp will help bring out the soundstage too. 

I own HE-400s and I have to disagree.   I think they are just like the other HiFiMan planars in their need for a lot of power.   I have a Cmoy and the HE-400s are the only headphones that I have tried that do not work well with the Cmoy.

 

I recently obtained a 1985 Kenwood power amp - 330 watts per channel - with built-in headphone jack and while using that, I realized that it is the first time that the HE-400 have worked properly.

 

So, why do people say that they work better with less power than HE-500 or other HiFiMan planars ?   Simply because they are much less in price, so they are bought by people who do not have the money for high power amps.  And most head-fi'ers don't use vintage amps, they want something they can order from Amazon or new from a brick-and-mortar store.

 

Lastly, if you can wait a few weeks, the new Alpha Dog will start shipping by the end of the month, which is a planar that is $100 less than HE-500 and has been getting rave reviews:

 

http://youtu.be/ujMMG-sc4lw

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/676095/mrspeakers-alpha-dog-revealed-the-worlds-first-production-3d-printed-headphones

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Not really us that states the he400's are more efficient. Its the manufacturers... Take Fang to court!

 

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But all this is for another thread :)

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Vintage receivers and planar headphones should be a match made in heaven - electrically speaking...

Flat impedance across the freq spectrum and no acoustic dampening required of the driver means the output impedance of the amp is of little/no importance.

IME though, planar headphones dont start "coming alive" until they are at high volume. At lower volumes where I listen, they were all mids and kind of murky/thick sounding.
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Not really us that states the he400's are more efficient. Its the manufacturers... Take Fang to court!

I don't doubt that they are more efficient, but in the case of the HiFiMan's, it seems that it is not just the volume of the output that matters, the sound quality is better with more power, in a way that I don't see with Denons or Sennheiser.

 

The electrical aspects that Palmfish just mentioned may have something to do with it, although I find the HE-400 to be significantly better with the vintage Kenwood M2A than the vintage restored/recapped Sansui AU-417.

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I don't doubt that they are more efficient, but in the case of the HiFiMan's, it seems that it is not just the volume of the output that matters, the sound quality is better with more power, in a way that I don't see with Denons or Sennheiser.

 

The electrical aspects that Palmfish just mentioned may have something to do with it, although I find the HE-400 to be significantly better with the vintage Kenwood M2A than the vintage restored/recapped Sansui AU-417.

 

Yeah I agree, but that to me is what 'efficient' is. Doing a better job. I would also agree that Denons don't require much to drive them but I would say that the current flagship Senn's do from hd600 onwards. 

 
Like I said in my previous post, all planars require more power than normal dynamics and I personally wouldn't recommend anything other than a very powerful amp for any of them.  
 
And this is where vintage amps have the edge. Especially for the money. 
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Question for the more knowledgeable here. On many of these vintage receivers/amps, there are 2 phono inputs. Are those inputs on the same circuit from the beginning or do they merge later or not at all? Thanks.

At least in the Pioneer SX-1280 and 1980, the answer is they start different and merge at some point. In those two, they use the same set of transistors for gain, but the beginning of the input stages are different, since Phono 1 has loading options, and Phono 2 does not.

@Harrinj - Planars and vintage are indeed a match made in heaven! The Valhalla, though, is NOT ideal for Planars. It's great with high impedance Senns and Beyers. The Lyr is the Schiit for Planars. But since you have nice vintage stuff, that's what is would use for the HE-500.
The lyr might be great with planars but its the mjolnir that should be noted as the schiit with planars. When I had the LCD2, there was no better amp for it than the mjolnir.
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I am 'thinking' about getting Hi-Fi Man He-500 headphones, do you awesome people think they would pair well with vintage amps? I'f I get it, I'd get a fiio Mont blanc amp for mobile use as well for my Note 2. 

 

Mine work well with the receivers I've had. Sansui and now Kenwood.

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Good stuff. The Valhalla is OTL and ideally suited for higher impedance phones - 300ohm types. The 500's are about 50ohm? I think, so ideally they will require more current. I know some are happy using otl amps with planars but on paper its a bad idea. The Lyr is much more suitable as it is a hybrid and has bags of current and tubes for voltage swings. But I'd be more inclined to use a good vintage amp :)

 
Best keep on topic now my friend :) 

 

Thank's.

oh haha I didn't mean to hijack the thread but eh people were talking about freaking beer for several pages a few weeks back so, this is better than beer and it was regarding vintage amps so... LOL 

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Vintage receivers and planar headphones should be a match made in heaven - electrically speaking...

Flat impedance across the freq spectrum and no acoustic dampening required of the driver means the output impedance of the amp is of little/no importance.

IME though, planar headphones dont start "coming alive" until they are at high volume. At lower volumes where I listen, they were all mids and kind of murky/thick sounding.

 

Ok! 

My Marantz 4400 is 125WPCX2 50WPCX4, Kenwood KT-7100 is 60WPC, HK 670 is 60WPC, Marantz 4240 is 40WPCX2 17WPCX4. 

Those should be GREAT right? I'd probably mainly use the KT-7100 or the 4400 with them once the 4400 is restored. 

My Marantz 4400 seems to be sending random spikes in power so I've stopped using it! 
 

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Ok! 


My Marantz 4400 is 125WPCX2 50WPCX4, Kenwood KT-7100 is 60WPC, HK 670 is 60WPC, Marantz 4240 is 40WPCX2 17WPCX4. 


Those should be GREAT right? I'd probably mainly use the KT-7100 or the 4400 with them once the 4400 is restored. 


My Marantz 4400 seems to be sending random spikes in power so I've stopped using it! 

 

Time for a visit to Dr Doug...........

Interested to hear your impressions on the HE on your vintage so post up when you get a pair.
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that right,That's what makes the lesser-powered older receivers such a great buy. thanks 

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that right,That's what makes the lesser-powered older receivers such a great buy. thanks 

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So true.  My Realistic STA-64B is supposedly 20 wpc and the headphone out on that receiver is flat amazing.  Sounds so good and with the loudness switch thrown thumps like you wouldn't believe. 

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Same thing on my 17WPC Sherwood S-7100A.  Power to spare!

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Time for a visit to Dr Doug...........

Interested to hear your impressions on the HE on your vintage so post up when you get a pair.

 

Indeed! 

I'm still thinking about the HE-500 though. $700 is a bit insane though for headphones... I only wish I could try them out and see them in person. 

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Having read the great posts here I went and fetched my Pioneer SX-650 previously languishing in the back room and tried it out with my AKG Q701's. The SX-650 is fantastic! The pairing with my Q701 is incredibly detailed and the power adds amazing dynamics. It is Very analytic though, which I like, but bordering on a fatiguing at energetic volumes.

 

I recently picked up a little Mapltree Audio Designs Ear 4 (Original) Tube Amp/Preamp and I enjoy its sound too. Smooth and pretty sterotypically tube like but definitely a chore for it to drive the Q701's which I think are twice the impedance it was meant for. Sounds nice with my RE272 and RE 262's. I think it would be fair to say these two amps are nearly polar opposites as far as listening experience but variety is the spice of life, they say.

 

So here is the thing... I decided to combine the two. I used the preamp outs of the EAR 4 into the Aux of the SX-650. Now I realize this is not an Ideal plan since I'm basically going preamp, into preamp, into amp but it did do some Amazing things to the to sound. I expected some loss of detail to be compensated with smoother listening but I did not expect the soundstage to dramatically improve along with the imaging. Suddenly there was a wonderful and shockingly accurate soundspace that the music was all taking place in along with smoother highs and dynamics galore. Holy Perfect World Batman! BUT there is trouble in paradise as you might suspect:

 

So Here is my complete rig:

 

Colorfly C4 MAP/ Centrance Reserve Series RCA to Stereo 1/4"/ Mapletree Audio Designs Ear 4 Headphone Amp-Preamp/ Nordost Blue Heaven Interconnects/ Pioneer SX-650/ Zu Mobius Headphone Cable/ AKG Q701

Colorfly C4 Pro MAP/ Centrance Reserve Series RCA to Stereo 1/4"/ Mapletree Audio Designs Ear 4 Headphone Amp-Preamp/ Nordost Blue Heaven Interconnects/ Pioneer SX-650/ Zu Mobius Headphone Cable/ AKG Q701

 

Note the volume controllers in the picture. My Colorfly C4 Pro (God, I love its sound so) is at about 80%, the Ear 4 is at about 80% or so and the SX-650 is at like 30%. This is usually enough to reach the higher end of my listen area (which I do not like too high) and really where the a Q701's sound stunning. BUT If I go higher at all on the Pioneer I get terrible distortion no matter where the othere volumes are set.  At just a hair higher and the noise floors raises in the right channel and some static starts and then any more movement up and instant bad distortion. I'm supposing this is a result of my having to go in through the AUX because the 650 does not have main-ins. Below this level on the Pioneer and it is dead silent and there is some real magic in the music but If I want louder I have to push either the EAR 4 or the Colorfly harder.

 

 

I can live like this cause its sounds better that my wildest expectations but if I want more volume: Do I have to replace my beloved SX-650 with a Pioneer with Pre-Out/Main-Ins? Can anyone recommend a model amp that is of equal sound quality at a reasonable price? Or is this a matter of my old pioneer needing servicing or perhaps I should be going in throught the tape loop? Anyway in a perfect world I want to keep this sound that blew me away and get a bit more volume without feeling like I'm jury-rigging or possibly damaging my amp. Thanks for listening and any help.

regards

jeff .


Edited by jwdjwd67 - 9/18/13 at 10:45am
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