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post #9136 of 12980

Does anyone know if a 5.1 or 7.1 AV receiver would be a good way to get Quadraphonic to a Marantz 4400 or 4240? I have a laptop and this is about the only way I can think of to get 'quality' quad out of it. I have several Pink Floyd's in Discreet Quad FLAC that I'd love to hear in it's full glory. I'm looking into an Onkyo TX-NR717 7.1 AVR or an TX-NR509 5.1 AVR. if I use the pre-outs to the Quad Marantz would it send the correct signal to the Marantz? I've tried splitting the two fronts and rears into separate stereo tracks and using two DAC's to the Quad Marantz but that does not work... only the front's come out (and yes the power mode switch is set to 4-Channel) The speakers I am using are KEF 103/4 and B&O S45's (same Ohms) and I know I could hook up just 4 speakers to the Onkyo but I am not really wanting it for audio besides sending Quad to my Quad receiver, I want the Onkyo mainly for HDMI and composite Video. 

I was not sure if I should have made a new thread for this question or post here however it involves vintage amps so idk. if I should not have asked here than please forgive me. 

 

post #9137 of 12980
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Originally Posted by moodyrn View Post

Well after reporting great news earlier about receiving my check from fedex, now the horrible news. I received my 2325 I bought from ebay that's supposed to have been completely overhauled. I normally don't buy vintage gear from ebay, but given their current buyer protection policy, it wasn't much of a risk. Well after receiving it, it's anything but overhauled.

 

The only thing that has been done was a few caps replaced in the power supply,  a relay, and the output transistors were replaced on one side with some generic brand I've never heard of. They also look much older than the original transistors. So now both channels have mismatched transistors. There's also a low level hum. I checked the dc offset, and I'm getting 133mv on one side and ove 200mv on the other. So not only was this not overahauled, but this thing actually need to see a repair man.

 

The seller really is not accepting responsibility for this. He keeps saying it's not his fault, and that he's the victim of being scammed by the one who he supposedly paid 600.00 to rebuild. And he really don't understand why I'm upset. And even if that's true, how do you pay someone 600.00 for work that you don't verify. and sell something as completely overhauled and not know for sure if it is. He even drives home the point in his description that this merely was not a restore kit that's floating around on ebay, but a completely overhaul. Now he claims to be a victim. 

 

The only bad thing is, I have to wait until next Thursday before I can have this escalated to a full claim with ebay.

I am sorry to hear that. The only saving grace is Ebay's buyer protection policy and although it means hassle, eventually buyer gets his money back.

 

I have learned my lesson(s) - the hard way. Years ago, when it was not possible to pay with paypal from our country, other methods of payment did not provide any buyer protection. And then learned another rule :

 

Condition of the item and the quality of packaging are INVERSELY proportional to the price paid.

 

It all depends what are you buying and who are you buying it from. Assume the story seller of your "corpus delicatess" is telling the truth and he really was a victim himself. My speciality is Technics an I will report how does it go with this brand - but in principle it should apply to everything else as well.

 

1. You can opt to get a "fully restored" cosmetically X/10 unit. This is the option that carries the biggest risk - if the seller did not provide detailed pictures of the innards and at least output DC measurement photo with a multimeter. It can be anything from superb job to worse than you described your case. Paypal is your friend here, NEVER pay on ebay in any other way.

 

2. You can opt for a cosmetically mint AND guaranteed for meeting specs unit from some place specialized for vintage gear - at some four times the normal going price. No risk - except for burning a large hole in your pocket.

 

3. Sometimes a seller does not have a faintest clue what he/she is selling - and for example claim the item is defective because he/she has no means of testing it ( like no AC cord, no LP in case of a TT , etc ), just to protect him/herself from any issues the item might have. It can also mean seller is aware of the issues that are ( near to) impossible to rectify at anything like reasonable price and prefers to call it AS IS than honestly describing the issue(s)

 

Here it branches into :

 

  3a: Absolutely mint unit, not used since very close to day one, as good as it gets for any stock unit of that vintage one can buy.

 

   trough MANY possibilities in between to

 

   3z : beat up cosmetics, electrically defective, after trials to repair it canibalized for at least some parts , etc.

 

It goes beyond 3z level, our language has another letter after the z, the ž. 

 

I did receive the same item bought multiple times in conditions anything like described above - and that rule above in bold is the statistical outcome. 

I honestly do not know how Technics gear performs restored just to stock specs - I went for far above that level from my unit # 1 and never looked back. It is expensive, yes, way above the prices for restorations mentioned so far. BUT - when directly compared to 5 figure current gear and in the very worst case holding its own, in most coming about equal and anything but infrequently winning, it is the well worth the time and money.

 

For me that means AS IS can be exactly the same as "fully restored to stock" - with a a sliiiiight difference in price.

 

Depending on your level of expertise with ( vintage) electronics and/or your familiarity with good reputable restorers - act accordingly.

 

But you can never say that vintage gear produces dull moments ! Some go to Vegas for gambling, some buy vintage online - your pick !

post #9138 of 12980
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I'm still trying to decide what to do with my Marantz 2270...freebie. Can someone please qualify it's desire-ability and performance potential. I don't know much about the Marantz models. 

 

thanks...

Its an early model from 1971-73 and was originally $600 thats quite high end for those days. I'd say its very collectable but the sound of the early Marantz is defo a matter of taste. 

 

 

Moody, that really sucks. The seller should hold full responsibility if it wasn't fully restored and was claimed to be. I've bought a couple of vintage amps that were claimed to be in 'full working order' but were anything but. I've then had to sell them on telling the truth, 'for parts n spares'. These were only cheap amps but all the same I hate dishonesty from sellers.  

post #9139 of 12980
FYI, what cost $600 in 1972, would cost $3,247.92 in 2012 dollars.

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post #9140 of 12980
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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post

FYI, what cost $600 in 1972, would cost $3,247.92 in 2012 dollars.

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yup, suppose you could call that high end now.. :D (ish;)

post #9141 of 12980
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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post

FYI, what cost $600 in 1972, would cost $3,247.92 in 2012 dollars.

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Which only partly explains why today's < $1000 receivers are junk!

post #9142 of 12980
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Which only partly explains why most of today's <$2000 receivers are junk!

post #9143 of 12980
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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post

Which only partly explains why today's < $1000 receivers are junk!

That is not true. Technology and manufacturing have both gotten much less expensive over the last 30+ years.

I paid just over $900 for my Pioneer Elite SC-25 AVR in 2009. Besides all the bells and whistles it has that were unimaginable in the 70's (7.1 channels, room correction, digital conversion, etc.), it's highlight is a superb 140 WPC (into 2 channels) amplifier.

It's also built like a tank (it weighs 40 lbs.).
Edited by palmfish - 8/18/13 at 8:37am
post #9144 of 12980

Well, the sx-1250 deal never happened. No problem though. I'm quite happy with the 1280. It was just a little weird tbh. I call this guy about his 1250 and he offers to come by my house to let me listen to it. Just a little strange. He texted once yesterday and said that he would be by late afternoon, but he was a no show. Oh well, time to recap the 1280. biggrin.gif

post #9145 of 12980
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Well, the sx-1250 deal never happened. No problem though. I'm quite happy with the 1280. It was just a little weird tbh. I call this guy about his 1250 and he offers to come by my house to let me listen to it. Just a little strange. He texted once yesterday and said that he would be by late afternoon, but he was a no show. Oh well, time to recap the 1280. biggrin.gif

Are you sure he's not there in your garden. Watching you... 

 

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post #9146 of 12980

Was talking yesterday about getting an SX636 but finally the today had you might say a little surprise he had an SX750 well that i know is a decent amp exteriour is very nice and it sounds great actually i did not think pioonneer sounded this good. With Senns hd800 it sounds very good plus i got a 3 month warranty on it all that for $100.00. At the price of gear these days $100.00 is not    

much. Happy camper

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post #9147 of 12980
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Originally Posted by MIKELAP View Post

Was talking yesterday about getting an SX636 but finally the today had you might say a little surprise he had an SX750 well that i know is a decent amp exteriour is very nice and it sounds great actually i did not think pioonneer sounded this good. With Senns hd800 it sounds very good plus i got a 3 month warranty on it all that for $100.00. At the price of gear these days $100.00 is not    
much. Happy camper
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Congrats! Nice headphone stand. How about a pic of it by itself? Did you make it?
post #9148 of 12980
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Originally Posted by MIKELAP View Post

Was talking yesterday about getting an SX636 but finally the today had you might say a little surprise he had an SX750 well that i know is a decent amp exteriour is very nice and it sounds great actually i did not think pioonneer sounded this good. With Senns hd800 it sounds very good plus i got a 3 month warranty on it all that for $100.00. At the price of gear these days $100.00 is not    

much. Happy camper

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Great stuff Mike, thats a good catch! Welcome to the sound of the 70's beerchug.gif

post #9149 of 12980

Looks great Mike and congrats!! Enjoy...

 

Let me know how it sounds with the hd800. 

post #9150 of 12980
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Congrats! Nice headphone stand. How about a pic of it by itself? Did you make it?

Thanks ,found  a piece of driftwood shorten the drill bit  and varnished everything . cost maybe $20.00 does the job and its original i like it .


Edited by MIKELAP - 8/18/13 at 4:45pm
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