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My two favorites that get the most play time are my Sansui 5000A and my NAD 3240PE. I love the sound of them both.

 

 

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     Actually, scratch receivers, i cant seem to find a good one at all. Even the vintage receivers seem too gimmicky. I'm going for an integrated amp. All controls affect the sound, no useless antenna inputs(I use Pandora anyways), no double phono stage (who uses a dual turntable setup?) and way more aesthetically pleasing with all the brushed aluminum. I LOVE Brushed Anodized aluminum. It looks absolutely stunning when used in electronics.

 

     So, with that declaration, what's a dynamically alive sounding AMP that has low end kick and nicely detailed and slightly bright highs, with a nice midrange?


Edited by Gallade475 - 10/20/12 at 11:26pm
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     What do you say its key points are, treble clarity, Neutrality(as you mentioned),Clean Sound, low noise, Etc.? Anything smooth sounding is a big no-no. I despise smooth sound. It's only worth using if it sounds alive in my opinion. Not everything needs to be syrupy and liquid(I'm looking at YOU three HD-600, HD-558, and HD-650).

I would say it very clear, but definitely on the neutral side. The EQ controls do a very nice job of shaping the frequency response (and I don't usually use EQ), if you want to make it warm and smooth, you can. If you want to make it sound hard and edgy, you can (or anything in between). I haven't heard the SX-580, but this seems to be a common element among the Pioneer receivers/integrateds that I have heard.
post #6034 of 12348

Also, would you happen to know the house sound for a number of the vintage brands like Sansui, Sony, Kenwood, Nikko, Onkyo, etc. ?

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Based on the units i've had or spent time with, Kenwood, Sansui and Pioneer are all pretty similar in house sound.  in my experience Pioneer is slightly warmer, Sansui is slightly brighter and Kenwood is right in between.  But none of those three are overly warm or bright.

Yamaha is pretty flat and dare i say sterile, Marantz is very warm and a tad bassy.

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Based on the units i've had or spent time with, Kenwood, Sansui and Pioneer are all pretty similar in house sound.  in my experience Pioneer is slightly warmer, Sansui is slightly brighter and Kenwood is right in between.  But none of those three are overly warm or bright.

Yamaha is pretty flat and dare i say sterile, Marantz is very warm and a tad bassy.


Ok. That makes It easier. I'm assuming since Sansui is Japanese, Sony will have a similar sound, or am I way off? I Need a bit of brightness because i'll be using some BIC DV64s and Hifiman He400, which are both warm sounding, and I Like my brightness but don't want to lose my 600 dollar Towers that i got for 200 bucks.


Edited by Gallade475 - 10/21/12 at 2:52pm
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I'm assuming since Sansui is Japanese, Sony will have a similar sound, or am I way off?

For receivers of the 1970s-1980s, Kenwood, Sansui, Pioneer, Yamaha, and Sony are all Japanese manufacture. Some Marantz and Harmon-Kardon as well. You can't really project a national character on the sound, and even the house sound of various brands evolved over the years.
post #6038 of 12348
Indeed. And my experience is the Sansui is slightly warmer than Pioneer, but Pioneer is still ever so slightly warm of neutral. I had a big vntage Sony, and it was bright. But my Marantz (USA made) is warmest of them all.
post #6039 of 12348
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Yep, they all have a different sound signature. And like ardegee said, some within the same brand have a different sound signature. My ka907 sounds totally different from the kr9600 I had and they are both totl kenwoods. Even my marantz 2330b sounds more different than I would have thought from the 2325 which is just one model older. Labling a country as having a certain sound is waaay off.
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Right now my house is littered with Pioneer receivers.  Once I get some new illumination bulbs I'm hoping to re-sell most of them.  Will probably hang onto a 780 and the 950.  Wanted to keep the 880 but it's just not in as nice of condition as the two 780's.

 

SX-737 - Not powering up, not a fuse problem, probably selling as-is.  Shame because if it was working it seems to look really cool!

SX-650 - Works great just a little beat up, really could use new veneer

SX-780 - Very nice condition, minor imperfections in the veneer - works great

SX-780 - Very nice condition, minor imperfections in the veneer - works great

SX-880 - A little beat up - works great, missing a knob and feet which I have since ordered

SX-950 - Nice condition - works great, needs a new power cord

 

Not bad considering last week half of them did not work properly.  I did a thorough cleaning for a few of them which were horribly horribly filthy ~ the PO's should be ashamed.  It seems the switches for Stereo/Mono was the likely culprit for the 950 and 880.  A de-oxit d5 + f5 bath helped to clear the issues and I even learned to bias the sx-950 in the process.  The x80 series seems to have an overall nicer and more solid feeling radio tuning knob rotation, the x50 series in contrast feels less smooth and less tight. I disagree with some of the comments I've seen on the web about how the x50 series visual style is nicer than the x80 style; I prefer the x80 series actually.

 

Something worth noting here is that the pots and switches don't always have obviously noticeable holes for the de-oxit spray straw (I'm looking at you sx-950) so the solution was to just shoot de-oxit wherever possible and hope for the best.  None of the info I could find on the web was all that descriptive or graphic in this regard (would have been nice to have some "spray RIGHT here" images). 

 

The x80 series was much easier in this regard; for toggle switches there are threaded holes in the front of the casing once you remove the faceplate and most of the pots have a side hole or square looking indent located top center for the spray.  For the sx-950 I ended up having to tear it down and undo the two boards from the chassis for volume and tone control and sprayed the pots and switches with the boards still attached by the wires.  For the sx-950 there were no front holes, side holes, or back holes for most of the switches and pots, just openings that didn't really appear to be for servicing.  Luckily de-oxit spray gets flipping everywhere so being accurate is not completely necessary.  Sorry for the rant, hope that helps someone!

 

If anyone has tips re the power cord of the sx-950 please let me know!  I can't yet figure out how to un-do the strain relief without breaking it or what to replace it with if I do need to break it off.


Edited by Mr.Sneis - 10/23/12 at 1:10pm
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Some "spray RIGHT here" images would be of BIG help to me as well...

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Some "spray RIGHT here" images would be of BIG help to me as well...

Not my pic but here is an example of what I was up against with the 950: http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showpost.php?p=5545523&postcount=12

 

 

 

Typically you see a small circle hole on the side of the pots; notice the pots appear to be doubled up in the pic above and do not have circular holes on the sides.  In the top center of the pots you can barely make out a square indent of the back of the pot, that's one spot I sprayed and then also let some drip through the top slits of the sandwiched part in front of it as there were no square or circle holes.  Maybe I overdid it but better to be safe than sorry I think; the de-oxit is not supposed to harm the circuit boards.  For those switches they are butted up right against each other with no real obvious holes to speak of, just a small open area to shove the straw into from the side, you can imagine this is really tough when the switches are super close to each other luckily de-oxit gets all over the place.

 

It's also really annoying how pretty much every thread results in "go to the idiots guide to using de-oxit."  Which has no pictures!

 

Here's another pic of a different receiver, notice the pot is different than above with the square hole now located on the sandwiched section of the pot and you can make out the opening where I sprayed the switch from the side at the lone switch at the very top of the board.  http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=426204

 


Edited by Mr.Sneis - 10/23/12 at 1:34pm
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Thanks for the boost! Can't remember what my iron looks like inside; will go back in during college football this Saturday.

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Glass For Iron?

 

Anyone have/heard the 1973-75 SANSUI QRX 5500A FM/AM Quad (2, 4 channel) Receiver/Amplifier? What are your thoughts?? There's a cat asking $400. Wasn't looking for a receiver this morning rolleyes.gif. But, having tripped over it, would like to get some feedback. I was going to sell some glass (pair of TS-BGRP 6SN7 series) to buy the same in the 12SN7 series next week. Now, I'm thinking about selling the glass for some vintage iron. ksc75smile.gif

 

 

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Edited by Silent One - 10/26/12 at 2:51am
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The only reason to lay down $400 for that is if you love the look.  You're paying a lot for the Quad functions, which you would have to buy a lot of other stuff (including crazy expensive Quad encoded records or reels and the decks to play them) in order to benefit.  And there is more stuff to go wrong.  It's crazy cool looking, and the big Marantz quad receivers, which add a real o-scope, go for big money.  But if you just want to play stereo music, it's not how I would spend my money.  You can buy a Sansui 9090 for that same $400 if you are patient, or something like a G-7000, and have much better sound and reliability.  And that's just Sansui.

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