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Originally Posted by BmWr75 View Post

@Lee Harvey - there is not much to a HP jack. Maybe try cleaning the contact points with a q-tip or pipe cleaner and some Deoxit first.  2nd I'd try reflowing the solder joints where the wires connect to the jack.

 

I opened up the 2250 and removed the headphone jack, cleaned it, clipped the old wire ends off and re-soldered it.  Now it sounds clean without any static.  I was thinking about ordering a Mjolnir but I think I will have more fun playing with the 2250 and the SX-780 for now.  The SX-780's headphone jack is really powerful.  The volume knob starts at the 7:00 position but the 8:30 position is about the volume limit for my HD-650's.  I see no issue for this thing to drive a set of HE-6's.

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Yamaha CR-820 I found at a local thrift store : ) I love it

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Nice Yammy again. biggrin.gif

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Nice Yammy again. biggrin.gif

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post #5976 of 13909
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Originally Posted by Lee Harvey View Post

 

I opened up the 2250 and removed the headphone jack, cleaned it, clipped the old wire ends off and re-soldered it.  Now it sounds clean without any static.  I was thinking about ordering a Mjolnir but I think I will have more fun playing with the 2250 and the SX-780 for now.  The SX-780's headphone jack is really powerful.  The volume knob starts at the 7:00 position but the 8:30 position is about the volume limit for my HD-650's.  I see no issue for this thing to drive a set of HE-6's.


Glad to hear you got the headphone jack all sorted out. As for the volume, I have the same problem with my SX-780! I read somewhere along the line that the volume pot is linear, although I'll have to check that. If it is, I may wire a shunt resistor to it to try to give it more control. I can barely touch the volume knob before it gets crazy loud with my HE-400's.

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Its not sorted out at this time.  The static in the volume control is gone but now I get some distortion in the left channel from time to time when using headphones. I have tried my both my D5000's and HD-650's.  I have been running speakers on it for about 3 hours this morning and the speaker output is fine, no noise or static issues. I am thinking about finding a local service center and have them sort it out.  


Edited by Lee Harvey - 10/3/12 at 12:25pm
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Sansui Eight And Sansui 7000

 

 

 

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Six

 

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Well, stevensctt introduced me to the idea of a vintage system. After seeing his success on CL and lurking through this thread, I decided to give it a try. I was able to pick a set of Pioneer CS-G403 speakers and a Pioneer SX-950 for $300 today. Had to drive 2.5 hours round trip to pick them up. The seller even let me have a Pioneer CT-F750 as part of the deal. The seller was great guy with a full vintage McIntosh system and some 60's JBL monster speakers.

 

The speakers are in great shape. Drivers look nearly new. Not the greatest and too big to fit in any of my rooms. I will probably flip them.

 

The 950 is in good shape. It makes no odd noises through any connection or controls. Looks like just the FM and Stereo indicators need new bulbs. Also the light above the tuner dial is out. Should be easy to fix. Now I just need to learn how to clean this baby up. Any links on servicing the 950 would be great.

 

I am listening to FM currently through some cheap headphones as I type. Sounds great. Based on lurking, looks like the HD650's and LCD-2 would be good phones to match with the 950. What others do you all recommend to get started or introduced to headphones? I would also be interested in trying some vintage phones too. I just missed out on a set of Audio Technica AT-705's.

 

Also, looks like some one near by is selling a Sansui G-8000 for $399. Good/fair deal? Worth looking at if still available?

 

Thanks to everyone for sharing their knowledge and experiences. It made my first step easier.

 

Sorry, not letting me post pics right now.


Edited by weverb - 10/4/12 at 7:22am
post #5980 of 13909
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Originally Posted by weverb View Post

Well,stevensctt introduced me to the idea of a vintage system. After seeing his success on CL and lurking through this thread, I decided to give it a try. I was able to pick a set of Pioneer CS-G403 speakers and a Pioneer SX-950 for $300 today. Had to drive 2.5 hours round trip to pick them up. The seller even let me have a Pioneer CT-F750 as part of the deal. The seller was great guy with a full vintage McIntosh system and some 60's JBL monster speakers.

The speakers are in great shape. Drivers look nearly new. Not the greatest and too big to fit in any of my rooms. I will probably flip them.

The 950 is in good shape. It makes no odd noises through any connection or controls. Looks like just the FM and Stereo indicators need new bulbs. Also the light above the tuner dial is out. Should be easy to fix. Now I just need to learn how to clean this baby up. Any links on servicing the 950 would be great.

I am listening to FM currently through some cheap headphones as I type. Sounds great. Based on lurking, looks like the HD650's and LCD-2 would be good phones to match with the 950. What others do you all recommend to get started or introduced to headphones? I would also be interested in trying some vintage phones too. I just missed out on a set of Audio Technica AT-705's.

Also, looks like some one near by is selling a Sansui G-8000 for $399. Good/fair deal? Worth looking at if still available?

Thanks to everyone for sharing their knowledge and experiences. It made my first step easier.

Sorry, not letting me post pics right now.

Congrats on your entry into the vintage world - I've only started myself within the last six months, but it's been a lot of fun.

As far as headphones, consider usage first. Will these be for home use (so you don't need to drive them with portable player or portable amp) and will your listening environment be such that you can you live with open cans? What's your budget and view on diminishing returns - is bang-for-buck more important or ultimate SQ?

HD650's are great if bang-for-buck is important, open cans are OK, and you'll be listening a lot at home. As you've probably read, they scale well with better equipment so there's room to grow sonically over time, and they aren't as hard to drive as some like orthos. You should be able to pick some up used for $300-350 - hard to beat that price for what you get.

I also like the Hifiman ortho line. HE-500 is especially popular and IMO not so different sound signature wise from HD650, but it's $500-550 used. Heard good things about HE-400, which is cheaper, but never heard them myself.

If home use is your main goal, I would hold off on getting a dedicated HP amp and see how happy you are with using your vintage receivers to drive your cans. They generally have more than enough power and sound great. Had I ventured into vintage receivers before headphone amps, I could have saved some $.

As far as the G-8000, haven't heard it, but have 3 Sansui's myself so am a real fan of their 70's stuff. IMO, $399 is non-trivial, so consider your objectives prior to pulling the trigger. You already have a relatively high power receiver in the 950 - what are you going after now?

Good luck and enjoy the 950.
Edited by captouch - 10/4/12 at 10:51pm
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I've just compared the Pioneer sx-737 vs sx-850.  The sx-737 has more bass and more punch.  It's not as detailed and refined as the sx-850 but it's more fun and musical.

post #5982 of 13909
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Congrats on your entry into the vintage world - I've only started myself within the last six months, but it's been a lot of fun.
As far as headphones, consider usage first. Will these be for home use (so you don't need to drive them with portable player or portable amp) and will your listening environment be such that you can you live with open cans? What's your budget and view on diminishing returns - is bang-for-buck more important or ultimate SQ?
HD650's are great if bang-for-buck is important, open cans are OK, and you'll be listening a lot at home. As you've probably read, they scale well with better equipment so there's room to grow sonically over time, and they aren't as hard to drive as some like orthos. You should be able to pick some up used for $300-350 - hard to beat that price for what you get.
I also like the Hifiman ortho line. HE-500 is especially popular and IMO not so different sound signature wise from HD650, but it's $500-550 used. Heard good things about HE-400, which is cheaper, but never heard them myself.
If home use is your main goal, I would hold off on getting a dedicated HP amp and see how happy you are with using your vintage receivers to drive your cans. They generally have more than enough power and sound great. Had I ventured into vintage receivers before headphone amps, I could have saved some $.
As far as the G-8000, haven't heard it, but have 3 Sansui's myself so am a real fan of their 70's stuff. IMO, $399 is non-trivial, so consider your objectives prior to pulling the trigger. You already have a relatively high power receiver in the 950 - what are you going after now?
Good luck and enjoy the 950.

 

captouch,

 

Thanks for the response!

 

As for cans, they will be only for home use. I am after bang-for-buck to get started to make sure I enjoy them first. If I find myself really getting into them, then I will start to upgrade. That's why I mentioned vintage phones too. I would be willing to try both open and closed cans. I know open cans tend to have a more spacious sound stage.

 

Now as for the G-8000, I thought I could possibly get a fair deal on such a powerful amp only being 10-15 minutes away. Rare for where I live. I was going to just try the Sansui sound so I have some thing to compare against the Pioneer.  See which I like better. The Pioneer is my only base line. I am also interested in comparing these two against the integrated amp in my 2 channel rig (Simaudio i5.3).

 

I have been listening to the 950 the last two nights with fm and some cheap Sony phones. Sounds good so far. The best these cheap phones have ever sounded for sure. I am waiting until after the major cleaning to hook it up to my dac and really critique the sound.

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captouch,

Thanks for the response!

As for cans, they will be only for home use. I am after bang-for-buck to get started to make sure I enjoy them first. If I find myself really getting into them, then I will start to upgrade. That's why I mentioned vintage phones too. I would be willing to try both open and closed cans. I know open cans tend to have a more spacious sound stage.

Now as for the G-8000, I thought I could possibly get a fair deal on such a powerful amp only being 10-15 minutes away. Rare for where I live. I was going to just try the Sansui sound so I have some thing to compare against the Pioneer.  See which I like better. The Pioneer is my only base line. I am also interested in comparing these two against the integrated amp in my 2 channel rig (Simaudio i5.3).

I have been listening to the 950 the last two nights with fm and some cheap Sony phones. Sounds good so far. The best these cheap phones have ever sounded for sure. I am waiting until after the major cleaning to hook it up to my dac and really critique the sound.

The HD650's are very smooth, somewhat laid back cans. Treble a little rolled off. Very non-fatiguing to listen to. If that suits your music and tastes, definitely check them out - they're one of the most "loved" cans you'll find and its appreciation thread is among the most active here on Head-Fi. If you buy a pair used for $300-350, you can resell them for about the same price if they don't suit you. I've bought all my cans used, btw, and never had any issues - you should be fine if you buy from a reliable seller with good feedback. Head-Fi For Sale forums is where I bought 3 of my 4 full size cans, with the fourth being purchased from Warehouse Deals (Amazon).

For the G-8000, the price doesn't seem anything special IMO. If that's the model you really want and have done research to back that up, then if it's in full working condition and excellent cosmetic condition, I think it's a reasonable price (esp if it's local and you don't have to pay shipping). But if you're not focused on that particular model and are a little patient, chances are you can score a better deal. To give you an idea, I purchased 4 nice receivers in the past few months for a total of $340 - none were as powerful as the G-8000 (two were ~60W/ch, one ~40W/ch, and one only 15W/ch for driving headphones not speakers), but 3/4 are in excellent working and cosmetic condition, and all except the 15W (which I didn't even try) drive my not very efficient IMF TLS50 MkII's to louder than tolerable volume levels without going above 2-3 on the volume dial.

So consider whether you really need "such a powerful amp". Not sure what your speakers are and how sensitive they are, but old school watts go a long way.

I would think about what you want to achieve with your next receiver - do you want a tubey sound to contrast with the 950, something comparable but just a different brand/model, etc. If you buy without having a goal, you may end up buying more and more as you refine what you're looking for - not that there's anything wrong with that. smily_headphones1.gif

To give you an idea of my path: The first vintage receiver I picked up was a Yamaha CR-220 (late '70's), purely to use with speaker taps and orthodynamic cans. I wasn't focused on any brand/sound - just a cheap vintage receiver that had plenty of power compared to dedicated HP amps. Yamaha is thought to have a very neutral, non-colored sound signature and I've found that to be the case.

Next was a Kenwood KR-6060 (same as KR-6050, also late 70's vintage like Yamaha), also originally for speaker tap/orthodynamic use. Again, I wasn't focused on any particular brand, it just popped up on CL locally for very cheap and was in great condition. I'm now using it with speakers. Kenwood from what I've read is also fairly neutral, but a bit warmer/more colored than Yamahas. I would agree with that - more full/tad warmer than Yamaha, but not as warm as Sansui's.

Then I got fixated on the Sansui line in particular because it had so many fans and their build quality in early to mid 70's was supposed to be among the best.

Got a little impatient and spent more than I would have preferred (in retrospect) on a near-mint 7070 (this isn't included among the four receivers referred to above since it's not an example of getting a great deal), but it did fulfill my desire for a Sansui. 7070 is later 70's vintage, not the top Sansui build quality (relatively speaking), warmer than the Kenwood, but less warm among the '70's Sansui line.

Then found a cheap QR-6500 on eBay, which is early 70's Sansui. Great build quality (50lbs, full wood case, knobs secured with set screws, etc) and has some unique retro features like the quad decoder and cool display for 2/4 channel usage. Very warm, less detailed, bass less tight, older amp architecture. Noticeably different from 7070.

Finally, got an Eight Deluxe locally, also for a very good price. This is an early-to-mid '70's model, more advanced amp design vs QR-6500 - kind of between the 6500 and the 7070. It sounds more similar to 7070, but I find it to be more musical and while wattage is similar, it seems to have more power (listening to it right now with volume level at 1).

Bang for buck is my philosophy as well, and if I had to do it all over again, I would buy everything again except the 7070 - not because it doesn't sound good (it does), but because it was the most expensive and ended up not being better than the Eight Deluxe. But chronologically, it was my first Sansui, so I can't fault myself too much except for a lack of patience. As it stands, I can say that each receiver has a sufficiently different sound signature that I can justify keeping them.

Besides liking to talk about my own receivers wink.gif, the point is that the G-8000 priced as it is may be equivalent to my 7070 - something that's very good on its own, but perhaps not what you would select at that price point later or as best bang-for-buck should you do more research.

If you look on Audiokarma or in this thread, you'll see a lot of affection for the single digit Sansui line (Six, Seven, Eight, Eight Deluxe, and 7000 is included as well) from early/mid '70's due to sound quality and build quality. Respectively, you could probably get them roughly for $75-100, $100-150, $150-200, $200-350, $175-225). You probably saw monoethylene's pictures of his Six, Eight, 7000 a few posts above - they are really cool receivers - and if it was me, I would consider keeping an eye out for one of these as a potential next purchase to compare against your 950.

As always, just my opinion, but I don't think anything above strays too far from conventional thinking.

Good luck.
Edited by captouch - 10/5/12 at 4:35pm
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captouch,

 

Thanks for all the good info and sharing your thoughts and experiences. The HD650's have always been on my list to try. Even before getting into vintage receivers. I also had the HD600's and AKG K701/702's on the list. Mostly because of the reviews and comments found on line. I have now way to listen to any of these before purchasing though. I saw some interesting vintage phones on epay. They were AKG K340's, Pioneer SE L40's, and Audio Technica AT 706/705's. The Pioneer's seem to have mixed reviews from what I could find. Would be fun to have displayed with the 950 though.
 

post #5985 of 13909

Finally caught up!

 

You guys have some of the coolest stuff.  I've been listening happily along - so happily that I haven't been on Head-Fi - on my vintage Marantz setups.  I'm playing the Marantz 2220 in the bedroom right now, and it's as smooth as ever.  The 2235B in the living room still has no lights, but sounds excellent.

 

Both drive every headphone I have - including the K1000 - perfectly.  In fact, when I picked up the K1000, the same seller had an SAC KH-1000 amp, the purpose built one for he K1000's.  I bought it, too.  I've had it out, listened to it, and put it back in the box.  Why bother?  The 2220 sounds better.  (Come to think of it, why am I not listening to the K1000's now?  I can change that!)

 

I'm considering selling the Headroom Millet Hybrid stack in the computer room, and using another vintage integrated.  I'm considering a vintage integrated for the office.

 

Yep, couldn't be happier.  I wish "irebuildmarantz" wasn't quite as slow with his queue or that I hadn't given him the big deposits, but that's my bad.  I've been holding off on major work on these because I am in his queue, and it is, slowly, making progress.

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