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@WarriorAnt,

150lb Krell amp? 80lb transformer? Wow!! It must cost two legs and two arms!biggrin.gif

 



The Krell KSA 250 ran $5700 in 1991.  But you also had to own a private turbine to power it.  very_evil_smiley.gif    Running Class A it dimmed the entire East Coast when I turned it on...

 

Power consumption: 12A continuous.


Edited by WarriorAnt - 3/7/12 at 10:10pm
post #4292 of 13025
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Originally Posted by Meewoo View Post

@Rex,
Congrats!! Those HK look great!
I like my HK pm-665 too, good stuff. You will need to clean those little buttons thoroughly, I found my pm-665 had no sound with a dirty "bass contour" button. Sansui 5000x is nice sound little one and fetch $300-$400 right now. But I think you wouldn't miss it much since HK sounds very close to 5000x. Hope to hear your expression.


yea, i know of the sansui and the guy did to(that's another reason why he threw in the power amp as well). i knew of it very well but honestly i don't put much thought into going rates these days bring. all i care for is the sound. i traded higher valued stuff in the past for considered lower-end stuff(value wise of course) people would just think i'm nuts for doing but as long as it sounds good to me then that's all i want. if it does bad i would just have to punch myself in the face and deal with it and just sell it or give it away. i'm pretty mellow and open with my decision making. so far my gambling and luck has been on my good side for me taking these risks and trusting my gut.

the h/k 770 and 725 combo it actually a pretty accurate system. very transparent to the source(and i only thought yamaha was capable of this). i honestly thought it was gonna be your typical ''vintage warm sound'' or something. i really love the pre hooked up to my yamaha's too. very clean sounding with my speakers.

i tested the headphone out off the preamp alone and while i get pretty good headroom the sound is very clean and clear. no added warmness or brightness. just sound. headphones i used was my balanced 240DF and modded Fostex T50rp. i like the resistor controlled tone controls,very nice for taking/adding specific amount of something to the speaker or headphone. i like the very low noise floor as well. like my yamaha it was just dead quiet(even off the speaker outputs!). so far again i think i ended up with better end of the trade while the other guy think as well so usual win-win situation.

i just need to fix the pre a bit cause left channel cuts out sometimes on the preouts(thought was the preamp itself and the inputs/outputs but headphones directly plugged in the pre there is not a single issue. when using the power amps, on all i tested it does the same thing and i cleaned all the controls and so forth). if your not looking for a specific sound or more headroom these little guys perform better than what they're valued at.
post #4293 of 13025
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Originally Posted by wualta View Post


They do! and don't forget the monoblock version of the 770: http://www.thevintageknob.org/harman_kardon-hk775.html

 

i know! just seems they had to cut down something(looks like power rating mostly) to get it fit in such a small chassis( this is pretty small power amp but heavier then it looks. built like a tank too. can beat someone with it lol).

EDIT: i stand corrected. power wise it is like the hk775 mono blocks. just rated differently and the hk770 power amp has no issues pushing more then 100w@8ohm load due to it's massive dynamic headroom. i read somewhere it has enough current reserves to double it's output no problem lower the impedance load.

i been running the power amp for few hours now driving my 240DF off it's speaker outputs and using my audio interface as a passive preamp for now with it's +4dbu gain(1.23v rms@47kohms) since the power amp sensitivity is rated at 1.2v@35kohms in order to reach max output(and cause i have to fix the pre-outs on the preamp). it's near impossible to find specs on this set(even the manuals have nothing) on things like stereo separation and so forth cause i have to say the stereo separation on the h/k is very,very good. one killer little power amp.
Edited by RexAeterna - 3/8/12 at 4:59am
post #4294 of 13025
Meewoo thanks for the comparison of the SX-1010 and D-7000. It seems Pioneer receivers got less warm as time went on. When I had the 1010 I found it quite warm sounding, certainly warmer than neutral. I find the SX-1250 less warm than the 1010, but still just slightly warm of neutral. I think the SX-1280 and 1980 are almost dead neutral, if maybe just a touch fat in the bass.
post #4295 of 13025
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

Meewoo thanks for the comparison of the SX-1010 and D-7000. It seems Pioneer receivers got less warm as time went on. When I had the 1010 I found it quite warm sounding, certainly warmer than neutral. I find the SX-1250 less warm than the 1010, but still just slightly warm of neutral. I think the SX-1280 and 1980 are almost dead neutral, if maybe just a touch fat in the bass.

Do you notice the sound-stage change? And earlier model has more bass impact too. I do really enjoy D7000 now. Someday, I will get a SX-1980!!

Which amp have you found with neutral bass?

 

 

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Made a cool find at the local flea market, a Kenwood Basic M2A. Paid $80, talked him down from $120.

197

It's in almost perfect condition, very clean. I didn't know the specs, but it weighs a ton (~40lbs) so I figured it had some power... 220W /ch into 8ohms (350W /ch into 4). Wow. eek.gif The 1/4" headphone out puts out up to 6000mW! Other good numbers too:

THD: < .004%
Damping factor: > 1000
Signal to noise ratio: 120dB

Gonna see how it sounds, provided it doesn't blow up my cans. biggrin.gif I'll start with the Q701s, they're the toughest to drive headphones that I own.
Edited by Magick Man - 3/8/12 at 8:49am
post #4297 of 13025
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Originally Posted by Meewoo View Post

Do you notice the sound-stage change? And earlier model has more bass impact too. I do really enjoy D7000 now. Someday, I will get a SX-1980!!

Which amp have you found with neutral bass?

 

 


Yes, I think the later models soundstage better, for sure. 1010 was not great in that regard, and of mine, the 1980 is the best in soundstage for sure.

As for most neutral in the bass, that would probably be the 1250, to my ears and on my units.
post #4298 of 13025
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

Made a cool find at the local flea market, a Kenwood Basic M2A. Paid $80, talked him down from $120.
197
It's in almost perfect condition, very clean. I didn't know the specs, but it weighs a ton (~40lbs) so I figured it had some power... 220W /ch into 8ohms (350W /ch into 4). Wow. eek.gif The 1/4" headphone out puts out up to 6000mW! Other good numbers too:
THD: < .004%
Damping factor: > 1000
Signal to noise ratio: 120dB
Gonna see how it sounds, provided it doesn't blow up my cans. biggrin.gif I'll start with the Q701s, they're the toughest to drive headphones that I own.

i'm totally jelly right now. i can never for the life of me score good kenwood stuff. not at all for some reason. my luck seems to be either sansui,yamaha or other brands. never kenwood. kenwood gear everytime i find some they're either very bad condition or very over priced locally. actually that's kinda a lie cause when i scored that yamaha m-45 power amp for 40 bucks about month ago i found a very heavy and pretty kenwood KR-7070 receiver i believe was the model for 75 bucks. wood cab looked good but i was so drawn to the yammy i lost total interest in the other stuff at the trading post.
post #4299 of 13025

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Originally Posted by RexAeterna View Post

EDIT: power wise it is like the hk775 mono blocks. just rated differently...

Well, sort of. The 770 and one 775 are about the same size and put out the same total power. The 770 just divides that power in half for each channel. You can think of the 775 as a permanently bridged version of the 770.

 

post #4300 of 13025
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Originally Posted by wualta View Post

Well, sort of. The 770 and one 775 are about the same size and put out the same total power. The 770 just divides that power in half for each channel. You can think of the 775 as a permanently bridged version of the 770.

really? pretty sweet. i'm gonna have local tech i'm really cool with look at them cause i tried figuring what's with the preouts on the preamp but can't. the inputs and outputs work great. all buttons but some reason hooked up to any power amp it would just cut the right channel in and out till you hit a certain volume. looked inside and found no bias pots or anything and the service manual not much help. power amp though been working great. sounds insanely clean and ultra smooth with the SA5000,modded t50rp's and even my 240DF. nicely fast power amp and has no issues picking out the smallest details with good stereo separation.
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Originally Posted by WarriorAnt View Post



The Krell KSA 250 ran $5700 in 1991.  But you also had to own a private turbine to power it.  very_evil_smiley.gif     Running Class A it dimmed the entire East Coast when I turned it on...

Power consumption: 12A continuous.

so that was you causing all the brown-outs in the past. i should of known. people be like:

person: ''wtf not another brown-out. that was like the fifth time!''


Me: '' probably someone powering up their krell amp again.''
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LOL!

 

Hope you get your HK pre sort out!!

There is a Kenwood C2(?)  Pre at my local for $100 some time now, and no one bites. I checked AK and some Kenwood fans there gave a lot praise for KA-7300 Pre-part.

Did HK make Citation in the same period with 770? What's the model of Citation? Upon looking the impressive building quality of HK 770, I think Citation series in the same age should be top notch.

 

edited: I found it, what a amazing citation http://www.thevintageknob.org/harman_kardon-Citation_XX.html


Edited by Meewoo - 3/8/12 at 3:08pm
post #4303 of 13025
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Originally Posted by RexAeterna View Post


so that was you causing all the brown-outs in the past. i should of known. people be like:
person: ''wtf not another brown-out. that was like the fifth time!''
Me: '' probably someone powering up their krell amp again.''


Here is the funny and scary part of all that.  When I lived in CT every so often one would read about a town police department raiding someones home because the electrical bill was suspicious.  The logic was that it was too high for a normal household (whatever that is) and therefore there must be some illicit operation going on inside the home to consume so much electricity such as a marijuana grow operation.  So the police would get a warrant and eventually raid the home only to find a family living there that was simply using a whole lot of electricity and nothing else.  

 

I used to worry that my big Krells, Classe pre amp, Theta Digital DAC, 2 computers, large microwave, 100 gallon fish tank, 2 large cathode ray tube TV's, electric dryer, dishwasher, track lighting,  and electric stove would bring the local police down on me.  I was pretty sure the Krell as going to tip the scales... 

Apparently this happens all over the country. 

 

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-73644.html

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/no-more-privacy-smart-meters-are-surveillance-devices-that-monitor-the-behavior-in-your-home-every-single-minute-of-every-single-day

 

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/331/utilitybill.shtml

 

 

 

 


Edited by WarriorAnt - 3/8/12 at 3:26pm
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Edited by Meewoo - 3/9/12 at 7:35am
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Here is the funny and scary part of all that.  When I lived in CT every so often one would read about a town police department raiding someones home because the electrical bill was suspicious.  The logic was that it was too high for a normal household (whatever that is) and therefore there must be some illicit operation going on inside the home to consume so much electricity such as a marijuana grow operation.  So the police would get a warrant and eventually raid the home only to find a family living there that was simply using a whole lot of electricity and nothing else.  

 

I used to worry that my big Krells, Classe pre amp, Theta Digital DAC, 2 computers, large microwave, 100 gallon fish tank, 2 large cathode ray tube TV's, electric dryer, dishwasher, track lighting,  and electric stove would bring the local police down on me.  I was pretty sure the Krell as going to tip the scales... 

Apparently this happens all over the country. 

 

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-73644.html

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/no-more-privacy-smart-meters-are-surveillance-devices-that-monitor-the-behavior-in-your-home-every-single-minute-of-every-single-day

 

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/331/utilitybill.shtml

 

 

 

 


Of course those publications are completely factual and unbiased...rolleyes.gif

The fact is that "probable cause" articulated in a sworn affidavit before a judge is required to get a search warrant. High power consumption alone is insufficient to establish probable cause. I'm thinking there are some pertinent facts being excluded from the stories you have read.
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