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The Pioneers should sound very similar, I've only noticed the Fluoroscan ones to sound very different from the rest.  I personally think $450 is too much.  However, tuners will always be, in many cases, more expensive than amplifiers because they are more rare.  I am assuming and I could be wrong when CD came into play tuners were forgotten and probably thrown away to save space for the "better" items. 

 

But, the SA-7800 is really a nice amp.
 

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I was wondering if anyone has heard the Pioneer SA-7800, and TX-7800. I am just wondering how they compare to my SX-950. The SA less power, but that doesn't mean everything. There is a guy selling those on CL. It is probably about a 45 minute drive from my place. He is also asking what I feel is a bit much. $250 for the amp, and $200 for the tuner. The tuner seems more overpriced than the amp. Still, I was wondering how they would compare. I would likely not keep both the SX and SA, if that helps. I am not going to buy it just for fun, I don't need another rig, and I don't have tons of extra space.

 

 



 

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I was wondering if anyone has heard the Pioneer SA-7800, and TX-7800. I am just wondering how they compare to my SX-950. The SA less power, but that doesn't mean everything. There is a guy selling those on CL. It is probably about a 45 minute drive from my place. He is also asking what I feel is a bit much. $250 for the amp, and $200 for the tuner. The tuner seems more overpriced than the amp. Still, I was wondering how they would compare. I would likely not keep both the SX and SA, if that helps. I am not going to buy it just for fun, I don't need another rig, and I don't have tons of extra space.

 

 


What?? Sa-7800 for $250 and TX-7800 for $200. confused.gif

 

I have SX-450,SX-1050  SX-1250, SX-727 and SA-6800.  Comparing SA-6800 to SX-1050 and SX-1250, at flat setting, SA is more low mid-range and bass focus, and has less sound stage ( maybe more detail sound of SX opens the sound stage). SA-X800 can be very fun with bass heavy music.

But If you can find a SX-x2x in your price range, you should definitely pick it up. The sound of SX-x2x is different from SX-xx50. It sounds lay back and very smooth and warm, not energetic and aggressive as Sx-xx50. I learned that the early SS was designed to sound like tube, so it's not surprise that 1972 SX-x2x has this signature. I also had Sansui 5000a , and it share the same warm sound of Pioneer SX-727.  Oh, this warm sound is not like SA-6800, it still has every tiny detail and didn't shadow the high and low. I think my modern Rotel and NAD also have this kind of warm sound. You will enjoy your jazz, country and classic music with this warm sound. I remember one member here has SX-1010 and he sang high praise for SX-1010. And from what I read, the SX-1010 also has this warm sound. I think other than SX-xx50 line, the early Pioneer is worth seeking.

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I bought this kenwood Kr-720 today for $60, it works quite well with my LCD2.. So happy with it, I think I am selling my headphone amps.

 

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Thanks a lot for the reply, I've actually checked a thrift store & goodwill near me but I haven't found anything, and the only flea market that I know of only sets up every half year or so. I don't have a car either so I can't drive fat enough to get to any other stores nearby either. :\ I'd be fine with anything really, half the reason why I wanted to get any Marantz model was because of their aesthetics haha. They look really damn good and, from what I've read, are worth the money people invest into them.

I haven't heard about any of those trading posts though, i'll try to look into them, thanks!
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Thanks a lot for the reply, I've actually checked a thrift store & goodwill near me but I haven't found anything, and the only flea market that I know of only sets up every half year or so. I don't have a car either so I can't drive fat enough to get to any other stores nearby either. :\ I'd be fine with anything really, half the reason why I wanted to get any Marantz model was because of their aesthetics haha. They look really damn good and, from what I've read, are worth the money people invest into them.

I haven't heard about any of those trading posts though, i'll try to look into them, thanks!

yea marantz do have very pretty looking gear. but as they say don't judge a book by it's cover. my little hitachi might not look the best in the world and consider BPC(black piece of crap) by lot cause it's from the 80's era but it's far more impressive then it looks and i use as an extra dedicated stand a lone headamp cause how well it drives my 600ohm sextetts LP so effortlessly. i'm not bragging about it cause of the price i got it at. if it was junk then i would say it's junk but it's very nice small compact unit. speaker wise if your not using anything under 8ohms it can be nice cause the power supply is not hefty enough to handle 2ohm-4ohm loads very well so my speakers i have is out of the question. it's so-so with speakers but headphones i like it.

my suggesting would be if you still need to get something off ebay check out some H.H Scott receivers. lovely solid state and tube receivers that can be had for a good price.
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I bought this kenwood Kr-720 today for $60, it works quite well with my LCD2.. So happy with it, I think I am selling my headphone amps.

 

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congrats on the kenwood. if you don't mind me suggesting if you want a stronger reception you can either use some left over speaker wire on the 75ohm FM on the back or if don't have have speaker wire sitting around if you have extra rca jacks,lamp cords,extension cable,basically anything involving copper wiring(every plug is the same and uses copper wiring) you can strip them and be used as an antenna.

also what i do to test the tuner if buying at a store/trading post. i use my fingers on the back cause your body will act like one big antenna.
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How does one determine the headphone out specs for various vintage amps? It seems as if there is quite a bit a discrepancy between headphone jack quality and output, so I'd like to be able to find a receiver that works best for LCD2's. I know there are a few that are really popular for the LCD2s, maybe I should just stick with these?

 

Also, for anyone who has compared vintage amps to something like Burson, Violectric, and Woo amps, how would you describe the difference? Assuming the popular vintage amps can be had refurbished for around $500 or less, are the newer dedicated headphone amps worth the extra $2-500 in terms of sound quality?

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How does one determine the headphone out specs for various vintage amps? It seems as if there is quite a bit a discrepancy between headphone jack quality and output, so I'd like to be able to find a receiver that works best for LCD2's. I know there are a few that are really popular for the LCD2s, maybe I should just stick with these?

 

Also, for anyone who has compared vintage amps to something like Burson, Violectric, and Woo amps, how would you describe the difference? Assuming the popular vintage amps can be had refurbished for around $500 or less, are the newer dedicated headphone amps worth the extra $2-500 in terms of sound quality?


I'm using my LCD-2 out of a Marantz 2385. I was using it balanced out of my NFB-10ES. The NFB just gets used as a DAC now, the Marantz is that good. Effortless power. 

 

How the 185 watts per channel translates to the Headphone jack I couldn't tell you, but the ability to tweak the tones has even given my K702 a new lease of life.

 

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I have the Violectric HPA-100, and I haven't turned it on since getting the Harmon/Kardon receiver. The H/K has sounded as good as (if not better than) the HPA-100 with my usual go-to headphones (HE-6 and K240 Sextett).

 

Now for the "yeah, but" part: The H/K is massive. If you're short on space, you should note that the Violectric HPA-series amps are probably around 1/12 the size, by volume. If you're trying to conserve energy, the H/K is a hungry beast.

 

The Violectric sounds very, very, very good. It runs quieter than the Harmon/Kardon amp, and it's less unwieldy to use. The H/K can give the HiFiMan phones the power they crave and the Violectric can't. With more efficient headphones, the Violectric holds its own.

 

So the upshot is: If you buy the Violectric, you have a known quantity with a manufacturer's warranty, in a compact, efficient single-function package that works well with a broad range of headphones. With a higher-powered vintage receiver, you have an amp that's far more versatile in function which might or might not be better. It might or might not require a visit to the shop if you buy it online. Either way to go is a perfectly valid decision.

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I was using it balanced out of my NFB-10ES. The NFB just gets used as a DAC now, the Marantz is that good

This is REALLY impressive! I suppose I don't really need to know the specs as long as I know that people who have the choice prefer the vintage. That is so cool. I do like the versatility of being able to EQ, and later on add some small bookshelf speakers if I want. That Marantz is a fine lookin amp!

 

Ardge: thanks for the reply. Yeah, the size of the Violectric is more convenient but I have to admit there is something seductive about a 50 pound amp powering a pair of headphones! It's a tough call because the V200 is very sexy and compact, but I think the versatility of vintage may end up swaying me ... the good news is that you're right, either way can't go wrong.

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Originally Posted by franklyshankly View Post

How does one determine the headphone out specs for various vintage amps? It seems as if there is quite a bit a discrepancy between headphone jack quality and output, so I'd like to be able to find a receiver that works best for LCD2's. I know there are a few that are really popular for the LCD2s, maybe I should just stick with these?

 

Also, for anyone who has compared vintage amps to something like Burson, Violectric, and Woo amps, how would you describe the difference? Assuming the popular vintage amps can be had refurbished for around $500 or less, are the newer dedicated headphone amps worth the extra $2-500 in terms of sound quality?


At worst, vintage amps probably have a series resistor to knock down the power of the amp section.  At best they have a resistor network.  I doubt either case will create problems for vintage or new orthos.  You'll get plenty of power. 

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A quick note here on the Heathkit AR-1500: Sound through the headphone outputs are distinctly non-fabulous. Without popping the hood, I'm incapable of saying whether this is because of the design or the current state of the amp (channels are reversed on the headphone jacks, so it's already known-flawed). The Sextett sounds like it's got a sock on it. I haven't experimented to see if other phones sound better yet.

 

Through the speaker taps, the HE-6 sounds as good as I've ever heard it. Qualitatively, it's a hybrid of the Harmon/Kardon's relatively dry stereotypically solid-state sound and The Fisher X-202-B's lush stereotypically tube sound. So it's a keeper, no question, and hope I can get it on a good tech's workbench sometime soon.

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Is a pair of JBL L80t's worth $250? They have yet to be refoamed but otherwise are in near perfect condition. 

 

I found an Akai 1710W in my area for $15! I think I will get it if it is in working condition. 


Edited by mralexosborn - 6/7/11 at 3:11pm
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Anyone familiar with a Luxman R-3030 receiver?  I have a chance to buy one locally that is in great condition, with all lights and meters working.  I would put this in my bedroom rig.  Any opinions?  Thanks.

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I was just thinking that... 
 

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This is REALLY impressive! I suppose I don't really need to know the specs as long as I know that people who have the choice prefer the vintage. That is so cool. I do like the versatility of being able to EQ, and later on add some small bookshelf speakers if I want. That Marantz is a fine lookin amp!

 

Ardge: thanks for the reply. Yeah, the size of the Violectric is more convenient but I have to admit there is something seductive about a 50 pound amp powering a pair of headphones! It's a tough call because the V200 is very sexy and compact, but I think the versatility of vintage may end up swaying me ... the good news is that you're right, either way can't go wrong.



 

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