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That's a beauty PheonixG!! I will go on record to say that as much as appreciate and drooling over the 1980 I'll never own one. The cost is just too prohibitive. So unless I find one at a yard sale, I'll settle down with my 1280 and just enjoy it. I've actually stopped perusing CL and such. The 1280 just hits the sweet spot for me and I'm happy to call it end game. 

 

Now if a fisher 500c were to come along...:rolleyes: 

post #11162 of 13421
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

That's a beauty PheonixG!! I will go on record to say that as much as appreciate and drooling over the 1980 I'll never own one. The cost is just too prohibitive. So unless I find one at a yard sale, I'll settle down with my 1280 and just enjoy it. I've actually stopped perusing CL and such. The 1280 just hits the sweet spot for me and I'm happy to call it end game. 

 

Now if a fisher 500c were to come along...:rolleyes: 

 

+1 on the 500c!

post #11163 of 13421
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+1 on the 500c!


So I read a lot of comments about the 500C that makes it seem it is better than TOTL SS stuff.   Is it really better than a 1980 or my Spec stuff? 

post #11164 of 13421
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So I read a lot of comments about the 500C that makes it seem it is better than TOTL SS stuff.   Is it really better than a 1980 or my Spec stuff? 

Only if you prefer tubes.

I think different is more accurate than "better".

Interestingly we are still making tube amps with similar design to the 500C, whereas no one is making anything that resembles 1970s monster receivers.

post #11165 of 13421
Matt, unless for some crazy reason you desperately need more power than the 1280 delivers, there really isn't any compelling reason to go from a 1280 to a 1980. It has a few marginally improved things over the 1280 but your money would be much better put info a full restore of the 1280 you have, IMHO.

As for 500c versus 1280/1980 - they're fish and fowl. Apples and oranges. One or ther other may be "right" for any individual, but one really can't be said to be better than the other...they're just too different, as others have said.
post #11166 of 13421

Thanks for the advice Rob. I have heard you mention this before. It's funny how selective my memory can be when it comes to upgrades. I see some shinny steel and sha-bam...memory goes right out the window. 

 

I have not heard the 500c but have read plenty about it and listened carefully to Moody's comments. Possibly one someone, possibly Moody hint hint wink wink, would invite me to listen to theirs. 

post #11167 of 13421
When I had both a fully restored 1280 and 1980, the sound from the AUX input was identical, to these ears. The 1980 has the slightly better phono stage and slightly better FM tuner. Beyond that, it's just size and watts smily_headphones1.gif And the 1280 is no slouch in either of those departments either!!!!
post #11168 of 13421

^^ Words of wisdom. I plan to focus my attention on vinyl next. I'll like to find a nice TT to go with the 1280 and start a collection of choice LP's. 

post #11169 of 13421
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

Thanks for the advice Rob. I have heard you mention this before. It's funny how selective my memory can be when it comes to upgrades. I see some shinny steel and sha-bam...memory goes right out the window. 

 

I have not heard the 500c but have read plenty about it and listened carefully to Moody's comments. Possibly one someone, possibly Moody hint hint wink wink, would invite me to listen to theirs. 

I will say this, the 500c was a real eye opener. I really wasn't interested because I had  x100c integrated and I thought they would sound similar. The x100c is what you would think a tube amp from that era would sound like. Very warm,  lush romantic with a fat, slightly tubby bass. The highs are just slightly rolled off. The one I had was what some might call restored. All bad and out of spec parts replaced and some sections rebuilt, but not a total gutting of everything.

 

It wasn't until after I read a couple of reviews online that I began to have an interest. The description of it in both reviews didn't sound like anything like my x100c. Then all of the impressions from very prominent users over at ak sealed the deal for me. Some of those owned receivers like the 1280, 1980, 2500, g22000, 33000 etc. The universal impression over there was when it came to receivers, it was the 500c and then everything else.

 

I was pretty shocked the first time I fired mine up. Although I read  that it didn't sound like a prototypical tube amp, I was shocked at what I heard. Or what I didn't hear. There's no warmth what so ever. Infact it's more neutral than both 1280 I've owned. You would never believe it was a tube amp upon first listen. The only thing I had owned at the time that was as neutral was the ka907. It had none of the euphoric character I would associate with the x100 series, and gone was the tubby bass, and slightly rolled  highs. This thing had more air than anything I had listened to except for the ka907 which was nearly equal in that department.

 

Great extension at both ends, bass as tight as most higher end solid state amps, and transparency exceeding most higher end solid state amps I've heard. Everything I heard would be associated with high end solid state amps than tube amps. But upon further listening, you began to hear qualities associated with tube gear. Although completely neutral, the vocals have just a really nice organic richness to them, but minus the added warmth. The sound stage was very holographic with equally great depth and width. the imaging was very tight and  precise. It's like taking all of the advantages of solid state and tubes and combining them into one.

 

With all of the gear I've owned I can whole heartly say it's been the 500c and everything else. Now as of this writing, my mcintosh rig is coming very close. But then again, you're talking about mcintosh separates vs a tube receiver. I expect the mac rig to at least equal it if not surpass it once it gets restored. The only negative I would have about it really isn't a negative but a precaution. This thing is so brutally revealing, it will highlight ever flaw in a recording. It may be one of the most unforgiving amps I've come across. But at the same time, good recordings will reward you in audiophile heaven. I can't say enough how much I enjoy this receiver.

 

This is not to sell receivers like the sx1280, g9000 etc short. They all are absolutely wonderful. And compare favorably to totl solid state amps of today. Imo you would have to spend thousands to surpass them. I loved them all, just read my impressions of them. Everything I've said about each one, I still stand by today. But the 500c is just special.

post #11170 of 13421

Great impression Moody!! Thank you kindly for those...

post #11171 of 13421

There's an unrestored 500C for sale at the place I bought my old SX780 in lower Alabama; if anybody's in the region and wants some more info you can PM me and I'll take a trip to the shop to check it out more toroughly. I don't think it coulld be more than a couple hundred bucks.

post #11172 of 13421
Thread Starter 

If that's the case run and don't walk. I've seen parts repair units going for hundreds. If it works and only cost a couple of hundred bucks, it wouldn't matter for me if it was restored or not. That would be a steel.

 

@Matt....oh and of course if you're ever in the area,  you're more than welcome to stop by and take a listen.:) 

post #11173 of 13421
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Originally Posted by moodyrn View Post
 

If that's the case run and don't walk. I've seen parts repair units going for hundreds. If it works and only cost a couple of hundred bucks, it wouldn't matter for me if it was restored or not. That would be a steel.

 

@Matt....oh and of course if you're ever in the area,  you're more than welcome to stop by and take a listen.:) 

 

I will confess to not having heard one, but the Stereophile review and Moody's comments put me over the edge.  Carefully checking CL and Estate sales every day.   The Ebay prices are crazy.

post #11174 of 13421
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Originally Posted by ssrock64 View Post
 

There's an unrestored 500C for sale at the place I bought my old SX780 in lower Alabama; if anybody's in the region and wants some more info you can PM me and I'll take a trip to the shop to check it out more toroughly. I don't think it coulld be more than a couple hundred bucks.

 

Although, I'm set... :veryevil: let's have a look, shall we?

post #11175 of 13421
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

Thanks for the advice Rob. I have heard you mention this before. It's funny how selective my memory can be when it comes to upgrades. I see some shinny steel and sha-bam...memory goes right out the window. 

 

I have not heard the 500c but have read plenty about it and listened carefully to Moody's comments. Possibly one someone, possibly Moody hint hint wink wink, would invite me to listen to theirs. 

I will say this, the 500c was a real eye opener. I really wasn't interested because I had  x100c integrated and I thought they would sound similar. The x100c is what you would think a tube amp from that era would sound like. Very warm,  lush romantic with a fat, slightly tubby bass. The highs are just slightly rolled off. The one I had was what some might call restored. All bad and out of spec parts replaced and some sections rebuilt, but not a total gutting of everything.

 

It wasn't until after I read a couple of reviews online that I began to have an interest. The description of it in both reviews didn't sound like anything like my x100c. Then all of the impressions from very prominent users over at ak sealed the deal for me. Some of those owned receivers like the 1280, 1980, 2500, g22000, 33000 etc. The universal impression over there was when it came to receivers, it was the 500c and then everything else.

 

I was pretty shocked the first time I fired mine up. Although I read  that it didn't sound like a prototypical tube amp, I was shocked at what I heard. Or what I didn't hear. There's no warmth what so ever. Infact it's more neutral than both 1280 I've owned. You would never believe it was a tube amp upon first listen. The only thing I had owned at the time that was as neutral was the ka907. It had none of the euphoric character I would associate with the x100 series, and gone was the tubby bass, and slightly rolled  highs. This thing had more air than anything I had listened to except for the ka907 which was nearly equal in that department.

 

Great extension at both ends, bass as tight as most higher end solid state amps, and transparency exceeding most higher end solid state amps I've heard. Everything I heard would be associated with high end solid state amps than tube amps. But upon further listening, you began to hear qualities associated with tube gear. Although completely neutral, the vocals have just a really nice organic richness to them, but minus the added warmth. The sound stage was very holographic with equally great depth and width. the imaging was very tight and  precise. It's like taking all of the advantages of solid state and tubes and combining them into one.

 

With all of the gear I've owned I can whole heartly say it's been the 500c and everything else. Now as of this writing, my mcintosh rig is coming very close. But then again, you're talking about mcintosh separates vs a tube receiver. I expect the mac rig to at least equal it if not surpass it once it gets restored. The only negative I would have about it really isn't a negative but a precaution. This thing is so brutally revealing, it will highlight ever flaw in a recording. It may be one of the most unforgiving amps I've come across. But at the same time, good recordings will reward you in audiophile heaven. I can't say enough how much I enjoy this receiver.

 

This is not to sell receivers like the sx1280, g9000 etc short. They all are absolutely wonderful. And compare favorably to totl solid state amps of today. Imo you would have to spend thousands to surpass them. I loved them all, just read my impressions of them. Everything I've said about each one, I still stand by today. But the 500c is just special.

 

You just nailed what my little green ones sound like (Shindo Laboratory). These qualities are at once strange and interesting for a tube amp. Something that must be heard. Especially for thousands of dollars less. :wink_face:

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