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post #10621 of 16770
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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post

I am afraid I have to agree that those components are priced high compared to what we can find in the US.
The later Pioneer are not as 'special' as the early/mid 70s units...
Think wood cabinets and etched metal faceplates.
The later amps have the flashy blue meters and nice specs, but the guts don't compare.

For 600 euros one can get some mighty nice new kit!

These are not "later" Pioneers. The flouroscan meters were added to the SA series around 1978. The progression in the US was SA-5500, SA-5500ii, SA-5800. The amp pictured in the ad is an SA-5800.
post #10622 of 16770
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post


These are not "later" Pioneers. The flouroscan meters were added to the SA series around 1978. The progression in the US was SA-5500, SA-5500ii, SA-5800. The amp pictured in the ad is an SA-5800.

which means its not that bad or avoid? it did say 508 in the add not 5800


Edited by magiccabbage - 11/15/13 at 11:14am
post #10623 of 16770
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post


These are not "later" Pioneers. The flouroscan meters were added to the SA series around 1978. The progression in the US was SA-5500, SA-5500ii, SA-5800. The amp pictured in the ad is an SA-5800.

For me Pioneer's 'sea-change' came earlier in the mid 70's with the end of the SA-7100/8100/9100.

This is just my opinion based on purely subjective criteria. I feel those were the last amps designed with a Japanese, as opposed to export, aesthetic.

As such they emphasize build quality and over specified components (caps transformer etc) in relatively simple circuits.

They also featured wood cabinets, etched faceplates and really high quality feeling switches.

Sound quality was more important than power, specifications or features.

The SA-X800 have more complicated circuits designed to increase power and improve specifications.

As such they have more features and are much better on paper.

Those are also great amps, but to me there is something special about the earlier Pioneers.

 

It's a little like the difference between the SX-1250 and SX-1980 or the between the Series 20 and the Spec line


Edited by parbaked - 11/15/13 at 11:15am
post #10624 of 16770
It was Pioneers entry level integrated amp in 1978. A really good little amp, but obviously not as good as the 9800. It would be similar to comparing an SX-780 to an SX-1280.
post #10625 of 16770
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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post

For me Pioneer's 'sea-change' came earlier in the mid 70's with the end of the SA-7100/8100/9100.
This is just my opinion based on purely subjective criteria. I feel those were the last amps designed with a Japanese, as opposed to export, aesthetic.
As such they emphasize build quality and over specified components (caps transformer etc) in relatively simple circuits.
They also featured wood cabinets, etched faceplates and really high quality feeling switches.
Sound quality was more important than power, specifications or features.
The SA-X800 have more complicated circuits designed to increase power and improve specifications.
As such they have more features and are much better on paper.
Those are also great amps, but to me there is something special about the earlier Pioneers.



It's a little like the difference between the SX-1250 and SX-1980 or the between the Series 20 and the Spec line

Yes, I pretty much agree with you. The only difference for me is that I see the x800 series as the end of the evolutionary line.
post #10626 of 16770
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

It was Pioneers entry level integrated amp in 1978. A really good little amp, but obviously not as good as the 9800. It would be similar to comparing an SX-780 to an SX-1280.

The SA-7100 pictured is only 20 WPC!

It was also the entry level but has the same fine phono section as the SA-9800.

The market was not as competitive then so they could afford to make fewer models and spec them very well.

The guts are very impressive considering she's a 20 watter...

 

post #10627 of 16770
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Yes, I pretty much agree with you. The only difference for me is that I see the x800 series as the end of the evolutionary line.

I'm probably that much older than you! Yes, I can see your point, the SA-9800 is especially nice too!

Also the matching tuners are MUCH better than the earlier (TX-X100) tuners.

:beerchug:

My other favorite Pioneer is the SA-9900 but it is too much of a beast!

It would be fun to lug to parties though!

I do like Pioneer over all the other big Japanese choices....

post #10628 of 16770
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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post

I'm probably that much older than you! Yes, I can see your point, the SA-9800 is especially nice too!
Also the matching tuners are MUCH better than the earlier (TX-X100) tuners.
beerchug.gif
My other favorite Pioneer is the SA-9900 but it is too much of a beast!
It would be fun to lug to parties though!
I do like Pioneer over all the other big Japanese choices....

Regarding age - I purchased my SA-5800 new and am the original owner. biggrin.gif

I have some pictures of the inside of mine and from memory it looks odentical to the 7100 above. When I get home this afternoon I'll post them up for comparison.

I love silver-faced Pioneer's too. Theres just something about them...
post #10629 of 16770
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Regarding age - I purchased my SA-5800 new and am the original owner. biggrin.gif

I have some pictures of the inside of mine and from memory it looks odentical to the 7100 above. When I get home this afternoon I'll post them up for comparison.

I love silver-faced Pioneer's too. Theres just something about them...

Ill wait up for that. :cool:

post #10630 of 16770
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which means its not that bad or avoid? it did say 508 in the add not 5800

Yeah its defo an SA508. I've owned one for a while now and I keep going back to it. It's very well balanced and has a certain something... It's brightly lit but also has warmth and depth at the same time.. Very vivid sound. Anyways, great amps and they pop up on ebay quite regularly. Don't pay more than 70 euros though, unless timewarp condition.  

 

My recommendation of the week is the NAD 3020 for HD800 users. They are warm sounding but very engaging. Amazing bass. I would try and get a later model like (i) just so the insides are still good. 

 

I see they've just released it again! In a modern ipod friendly guise haha. 

 

post #10631 of 16770
Just to clarify, the 5800 is the North American version of the 508. Same amp, only the 5800 has wood panels.
post #10632 of 16770
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Just to clarify, the 5800 is the North American version of the 508. Same amp, only the 5800 has wood panels.

Thats correct bud :) Only the 5800 looks nicer.. 

post #10633 of 16770

For some reason my right-channel distortion issues on the SX750 completely stopped after a couple days of sitting and a quick inspection with the case off. It's great to hear it in working order again, but I'm starting to form a deep-seated distrust of the thing.

post #10634 of 16770
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For some reason my right-channel distortion issues on the SX750 completely stopped after a couple days of sitting and a quick inspection with the case off. It's great to hear it in working order again, but I'm starting to form a deep-seated distrust of the thing.

Sounds like a loose wire/solder joint somewhere.

post #10635 of 16770

This is up on fleas-bay.

Local seller who also sells lots of high end gear on A-gon.

He just acquired this Barzilay console system along with a pair of JBL S99 Athena Lancer speakers.

Mcintosh electronics with a Thorens 125/Rabco TT:

I'm not a huge Mc-fan but it would be fun to have this in the living room!

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