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EXCELLENT post.

I would also add, as I have said before, that unless someone can do the recap themselves, it really only makes sense to recap higher-end/closer to TOTL pieces. For less expensive pieces, it's more sensible to clean them and then just use them up until they go bad, and then replace.

Except the near TOTL or TOTL pieces are usually much more expensive than the next model or 2 down. How many Sx 780's can you buy for the cost of one SX 1280 (or whatever the TOTL SX series is)?

 

I had a Sansui 8080db that was less than half of what a 9090db of similar quality went for and I'd bet the cost of both of them that the 9090 didn't sound that much better (frankly, I'd bet it didn't sound any better but that's a different thread). 

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Beeeee'uty. I think I might polish up the face tomorrow. I cannot get over how well this goes with the HE-500 it sounds so great, the BEST of all my receivers. 

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Great! But if that's a speaker in the right corner, it looks like your HE500 is on the floor :tongue_smile:dukin' it out for playing time.

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Great! But if that's a speaker in the right corner, it looks like your HE500 is on the floor :tongue_smile:dukin' it out for playing time.

yeah it's a KEF 103/4 but they aren't hooked up because the wires are too big for the 2220B's connectors (I hate the type of connectors the 2220B has), and the cord is like that so it does not get tangled up in my desk chair :) 

 

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I hate the spring connectors two of my Pioneers have. It just seems like the contact isn't the greatest.

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I hate the spring connectors two of my Pioneers have. It just seems like the contact isn't the greatest.

yup same! 

post #10342 of 13590
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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post
 

I hate the spring connectors two of my Pioneers have. It just seems like the contact isn't the greatest.

 

 

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yup same! 

 

Since my sx1050 is in for the restore, I decided to ask that the speakers connectors be replaced with something more modern. It will detract from the value I would imagine but since I have no plans to sell this one I don't mind so much. I'll appreciate the ability to use some nice heavy cable and connectors more than anything else. 

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Since my sx1050 is in for the restore, I decided to ask that the speakers connectors be replaced with something more modern. It will detract from the value I would imagine but since I have no plans to sell this one I don't mind so much. I'll appreciate the ability to use some nice heavy cable and connectors more than anything else. 

Being able to use banana plugs would be the ideal. Talk about quick connect........
post #10344 of 13590
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I hate the spring connectors two of my Pioneers have. It just seems like the contact isn't the greatest.

My least favorite thing about the Pioneers, and quite a few other vintage units. Worst speaker connector ever that wasn't some one-off proprietary thing.
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+1!

I couldn't use ANY of my soldered -banana or spade - cables! 

Using raw braided cable is a pain but I did peruse some options if you have unterminated cables that are too big for your spring connectors:

1. Solid Pin connectors - Not recommended !

Not a great connection in that they can be pulled out easily and MUST avoid ones designed to "break off to fit". 

2. Tributaries Soft Pins or Viablue Flexible Pins (Monster also makes a cheaper version)

These are more interesting. The "pin" portion is "soft" braided cable instead of being thin hard metal and makes a solid connection that won't spin in the amp. The Tributaries can take up to 12 awg cable; not sure how big the ViaBlue can handle. Neither helps if your cables are terminated with something and unfortunately nether is cheap - though both are really well made, especially the ViaBlue.

 

The Tributaries Soft Pins are hard to find - I can't even find a good image online. Basically contact your local McIntosh dealer and ask for them. Tributaries and McIntosh are loosely related and Soft Pins were designed to mate modern cables to vintage McIntosh amps. They look like a more DIY version of the below ViaBlues:

 

I first saw the ViaBlue in Japan but found them here at Ram ($30+ for 4). 

http://www.ramelectronics.net/product.aspx?zpid=144&gclid=CIaImNSBv7oCFbFxQgodXwwAkw

 

In Japan I saw the even sexier T6 version:

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The fancy pin connectors didn't help me as all my cables were soldered/terminated and them plugs and spades are too costly to snip off!

I ended up selling a pair of fancy speaker cables and buying bulk Nordost Flatline cable - great stuff!

http://www.nordost.com/products/speaker-cables/flatline/2-flat-speaker-cable.php

It's not that easy to find bulk/unterminated, but your local Nordost dealer should have bulk for sale by the foot for $5.00/foot.

It's thin, flat, extruded solid copper so it's light, near indestructible and easy to hide - even under carpets.

After stripping I bend the ends into a "pin" with a "lip" to make a secure connection in my Pioneer SA-7100.

 

Cables hides nicely behind the vintage Linn Kan stands:

AppleMark

WORKS! :beerchug: 


Edited by parbaked - 10/30/13 at 10:26am
post #10346 of 13590
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post


My least favorite thing about the Pioneers, and quite a few other vintage units. Worst speaker connector ever that wasn't some one-off proprietary thing.

Yeah. My 2220B, Kenwood KR-7400 (The 7400 has some bizarre connectors!) and both HK 670 and 430 have these crappy speaker terminals. My cables are raw on one end and banana plugs to the speakers but the wire does not fit at all into these terminals on the 2220B, they short out on the left side easily on the 670 (Because they are SO close together!) and it's hard to get them in on the 430. my favorite type are on the Marantz 4400/4240 and somewhat the screw-down type on the Kenwood KA-7100. 

I've been listening to this 2220B all night and it's so wonderful with the HE-500 it's neutral and layered you can hear things clearly that would be overtaken in my other amps. Are all the XXXXB types like this anyone know? I pretty much damned this amp before because it was so lifeless with my K702's and DT990's but man it's the BEST of my amps with the Hifiman. 

post #10347 of 13590
Picked up this 890 today for $65 off CL. Works perfectly and you gotta love the black face with black meters!!
post #10348 of 13590
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Looks great Matt!! Killer price too.
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Thank you kind sir. Now, the sx890 is sounding pretty good to me. It's better than what I had expected. It will likely end of as my BR setup. I've got the Large Advents downstairs with the sx1050. And now the search begins for some decent speakers for the BR. :veryevil:

post #10350 of 13590
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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post
 

+1!

I couldn't use ANY of my soldered -banana or spade - cables! 

Using raw braided cable is a pain but I did peruse some options if you have unterminated cables that are too big for your spring connectors:

1. Solid Pin connectors - Not recommended !

Not a great connection in that they can be pulled out easily and MUST avoid ones designed to "break off to fit". 

2. Tributaries Soft Pins or Viablue Flexible Pins (Monster also makes a cheaper version)

These are more interesting. The "pin" portion is "soft" braided cable instead of being thin hard metal and makes a solid connection that won't spin in the amp. The Tributaries can take up to 12 awg cable; not sure how big the ViaBlue can handle. Neither helps if your cables are terminated with something and unfortunately nether is cheap - though both are really well made, especially the ViaBlue.

 

The Tributaries Soft Pins are hard to find - I can't even find a good image online. Basically contact your local McIntosh dealer and ask for them. Tributaries and McIntosh are loosely related and Soft Pins were designed to mate modern cables to vintage McIntosh amps. They look like a more DIY version of the below ViaBlues:

 

I first saw the ViaBlue in Japan but found them here at Ram ($30+ for 4). 

http://www.ramelectronics.net/product.aspx?zpid=144&gclid=CIaImNSBv7oCFbFxQgodXwwAkw

 

In Japan I saw the even sexier T6 version:

CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 90

 

The fancy pin connectors didn't help me as all my cables were soldered/terminated and them plugs and spades are too costly to snip off!

I ended up selling a pair of fancy speaker cables and buying bulk Nordost Flatline cable - great stuff!

http://www.nordost.com/products/speaker-cables/flatline/2-flat-speaker-cable.php

It's not that easy to find bulk/unterminated, but your local Nordost dealer should have bulk for sale by the foot for $5.00/foot.

It's thin, flat, extruded solid copper so it's light, near indestructible and easy to hide - even under carpets.

After stripping I bend the ends into a "pin" with a "lip" to make a secure connection in my Pioneer SA-7100.

 

Cables hides nicely behind the vintage Linn Kan stands:

AppleMark

WORKS! :beerchug: 

Thank you for pointing out the existance of ViaBlue connectors. Try attaching speaker cables to Technics gear ...

 

Otherwise, the most sensible connectors for spekars are Neutrik Speakon. You can not make  a short, you can not make out of phase connection, they are rugged, there are 2/4/8 pole versions, all these wires fit in with a slight push and come out by releasing a small latch, much like with XLRs. 

Audiophiles usually develop hysterical reactions - WHY I can not use my ( fill in with your favourite brand of cable ) terminated with bananas/spades/whatevers. They have de facto became standard in pro instalations, where you need good, fast and reliable speaker connections.

 

http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/


Edited by analogsurviver - 10/30/13 at 2:27pm
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