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After longer listening sessions I have decided that I like the older model Denon 1001 much better.  Was more portable and the sound was much less overbearing and not as much eq tweaking necessary.  I also noticed a pretty unexpected level of compression in the sound stage compared to the older model and with other cans.  Sent them back and trying a less expensive Ultrasone model.  Just a heads up, but I don't think the 1101s have very good value at all to these ears.

 

 

 

 


Edited by ekolite - 5/3/11 at 2:01am
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I agree with you, the D1k was better but switching out for an ultrasone will only help sound quality, it will drastically reduce comfort, portability and usability.  

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http://www.amazon.com/Ultrasone-HFI-15G-Surround-Professional-Headphones/dp/B0002GFOVM

 

Ultrasone HFI-15G

 

I must have had a bit of luck because these are my first set of Ultrasones and they are every bit as comfortable as the Denon 1001s and much more portable.  They really require an amp on hand for most portable players, but I have read that the Cowon players are a good match unamped with these.  These phones are opening up wonderfully after about 6 hours of use hooked up from a midrange Asus soundcard as source into the latest cMoy amp available, already hear the magic and not even a full day of listening .  I have never heard anything quite like them.  And at the price.. why, hell?

 

 

 

 


Edited by ekolite - 5/3/11 at 1:57am
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they are open back headphones and the m50, d1001 and d1100 are closed back, generally open backs sound better than closed backs

 

ive never used that model before so i cant say anything about it, but im happy you like it

 

 

post #20 of 54

Yeah I have definetly decided to keep them as my portable cans.  I have a pair of Beyerdynamic DT-990 Pros on the way, and I hope they will find a home as my reference phones for a while.  I read they are pretty bass heavy, if they are too much I will just leave the bass boost off my cMoy and try to adjust eq, even though I try not to mess with it.


 

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Actually the better term for the Denon AH-D1100 would be compact full-circumaural headphones.  Compact frame and chassis with full-size ear cups to provide around the ear seal and comfort.  

 

Just some food for thought and everyone take care and have a great week/end


 

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Definitely not full sized



 

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After longer listening sessions I have decided that I like the older model Denon 1001 much better.  Was more portable and the sound was much less overbearing and not as much eq tweaking necessary.  I also noticed a pretty unexpected level of compression in the sound stage compared to the older model and with other cans.  Sent them back and trying a less expensive Ultrasone model.  Just a heads up, but I don't think the 1101s have very good value at all to these ears.

 

 

 

 



 

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I agree with you, the D1k was better but switching out for an ultrasone will only help sound quality, it will drastically reduce comfort, portability and usability.  


Interesting, as I disagree pretty strongly. I only got about an hour to listen to the D1001k, but it seemed to me to be more recessed in the mids(or at least having not as clear mids) and to not have as much detail, all while being less fun. The d1100 are definitely heavy on the bass, but I find them to have surprisingly good detail resolution and imaging, with a pretty surprising soundstage for a closed, bass heavy can. If anything, the signature is different but I find it hard to call them worse. I was going to sell them after loving my Samson's, but decided to give to my sister and listen occasionally as my "fun" cans. Cellos sound surprisingly good to me, if a bit too thick sometimes.

 

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Yeah I have definetly decided to keep them as my portable cans.  I have a pair of Beyerdynamic DT-990 Pros on the way, and I hope they will find a home as my reference phones for a while.  I read they are pretty bass heavy, if they are too much I will just leave the bass boost off my cMoy and try to adjust eq, even though I try not to mess with it.


 



My readings and very brief impressions of a poorly amped DT990 leads me to believe they have alot less bass than the Denons.

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Interesting, as I disagree pretty strongly. 

 

My readings and very brief impressions of a poorly amped DT990 leads me to believe they have alot less bass than the Denons.


Meh, to each his own

 

The D1100 has really thick and punchy bass, there is such a thing as too much.  Quantity ( D1100 ) vs Quality ( DT990 )

 


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Meh, to each his own

 

The D1100 has really thick and punchy bass, there is such a thing as too much.  Quantity ( D1100 ) vs Quality ( DT990 )

 


Certainly, but I don't think the Denon's are there yet. They have substantially less impact than my HJE900s, although perhaps still more quantity.

 

Still, I use my Denon's mostly for like top100 type stuff and some of dubstep/dnb. I leave the Samsons for most of the rest.

 

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Im not sure what you mean by the denon not being there yet.  Maybe I read it wrong or misunderstood, but that was my point throughout my review and posts so far.  The denon doesn't quite match up to some other models from other brands out there.  It has a lot of problems but also a lot of good things that I've always wanted.  It was not good enough for me to keep though.  I don't think its even remotely fair to compare full size budget cans to IEMs that are as good as the HJE900, the iem will in everything but comfort and soundstage size the majority of the time 


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Im not sure what you mean by the denon not being there yet.  Maybe I read it wrong or misunderstood, but that was my point throughout my review and posts so far.  The denon doesn't quite match up to some other models from other brands out there.  It has a lot of problems but also a lot of good things that I've always wanted.  It was not good enough for me to keep though.  I don't think its even remotely fair to compare full size budget cans to IEMs that are as good as the HJE900, the iem will in everything but comfort and soundstage size the majority of the time 


Interesting, as most people say that IEMs of similar price range will lose out to cans, though I mostly agree with you. By the Denon's not being there yet though, I meant they didn't reach the point of excessive bass for me, because I find there to be surprisingly little mid-bass bleed despite the punch bass. I'm not denying at all your opinion, just saying that I wouldn't consider the D1100 worse than the D1001k so much as different. I think it's actually a bit better technically, even if the frequency response is even less neutral. I do think that to the average consumer(aka not head-fi peeps, though including some of them), the D1100 will sound better than the D1001. In terms of non-SQ things, they also isolate a lot better, leak less, are more portable(pads fold flat), and are more comfortable imo.

 

But nevertheless, I actually agree completely with you, and think your review is spot on. They echo my sound impressions almost exactly. The exception being soundstage which I actually think is better than that of the M50 from my impression of those, although I listened to neither through a good amp.

I prefer my 40 dollar Samsons to the Denons. Also to the M50s, but that's another story.

One note though, these are still pretty recent and thus their prices have fluctuating quite a bit. I bought mine from J&R for $110, but they are now hard to find under $199

post #27 of 54
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No prob, I just try to tell it like it is or how i hear it.  Sometimes I fail at having others understand what I am trying to get across or that I am detailed enough in my explanations.  At $199 I definitely wouldn't buy the Denon, I'd snag the Phiaton MS400 on ebay instead, or a modded D1001.  

 

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I can relate to almost everything that's been written in the review about it and I've also had M50 some time ago as a comparision. However I don't think the bass extends that well, it's FAAAR more midbass heavy than deep sub-bass heavy. I did notice amping brought deep bass alive quite a bit though, without any amping it sounded very punchy due to lacking deep bass presence in the bassnotes. There's this thing about it in the presentation, soundstage or whatever that is just not my style, it's a bit too laid-back and not very musical, I can see where your opinion regarding classical music comes from as "orchestra" music is one thing that doesn't sound awkward but things with acoustic instruments or something that could use some warmth to it, just won't work, you feel "left-out", no immersion whatsoever, quite "boring" to listen to. That and the very recessed/distant sounding mids as well as the slight lack of deep bass presence for my taste as well as tinny/bright upper highs (lower highs again are possibly even tiny bit recessed, it's like a rollercoaster frequency balance!).


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*** Denon AH-D1100***

 

 

Specifications

 

Type: dynamic type 

Impedance: 32 ohm 
Sensitivity: 101dB/mW 
Largest input: 1,300mW 
Playback frequency: 5 - 37,000Hz 
Mass: 189g 
Cord/code length: 1.3m OFC litz wire 
Plug: diameter 3.5mm gold plated stereo mini-plug 

 

 

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Lets keep this review short and to the point :)

 

 

The D1100 is the bass heavy cousin of the famous D1001 ( D1k ) that is well loved around these parts and considered one of the best low budget portable sets available.  The new D1100 is not as balanced across the board as the D1k is, meaning it is very bassy and has some harsh sibilant highs, where as the D1k was smooth in all areas. 

 

 

 

Lows -The D1100 is a bass heads dream.  It has been years since I have heard this much bass in a portable set that is this size.  It hits hard and deep, is extremely large sounding and very thick.  The low end is always present, meaning even when my EQ settings are toggled to 0 on the low end, the powerful bass is STILL THERE.  This can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the listener.  If you are a bass head, this set is for you.  If not, I would suggest the D1001 over this is you are eye balling the Denon Brand.

 

Mids - They seem distant to me, I guess recessed is the word to use.  They are not so forward but they are very clear and spacious.  Nothing spectacular here, just good and certainly not lacking in a quality sense.  I prefer a forward sound, and the D1100 definitely fell short a little in the forwardness of the mids.

 

Highs - Well, they are pretty harsh and even piercing sometimes a'la Grado.  They are extremely tinny and sharp.  I could go as far as to call them ugly.  They extend really high, more so than most portable sets I have ever listened to.  However, for certain genres they perform on a grand scale, more about this in the presentation area.

 

Presentation- Remember way back when I said the highs perform on a grand scale only in certain genres ? ( lol )  Well, depending on the genre being played, it performs on a extremely great level.  The set is somewhat versatile, it is actually not that great for rocking out believe it or not and at least to my ears handles CLASSICAL music better than anything.  The highs are tinnish and not sparkled or enjoyable for vocals, there is a lot of hissing on any word with an S in it, however again in instrumental songs with no vocals, the set performs admirably.

 

Soundstage - The stage on the d1100 is very deep, meaning it has some good layering in Stage Forward, but the overall height and width of the set is average, immersion is also on the low end and does not do a great job in putting you inside of the music so to speak.  It is definitely rounded in shape.  Sets like the Phiaton MS400 have a much smaller stage, and the M50 has a larger stage, however the D1100 has a noticeably deeper stage than all of them.  In fact, its the deepest stage on a small portable set I've ever used.

 

Final thoughts - This could be the M50 killer in disguise, buy my experience in audio tells me this set will never pick up like the M50 has.  I prefer the sound of this set to the phiaton ms400 as well as the M50, I think sound quality is on par with them but the stage and presentation is more enjoyable and full sounding.  The m50 stage is bigger, airier and sounds different in terms of coloration, the D1100 is a more colored set but not by too much.  Even though the ms400 is my favorite portable set of all time, it suffered from serious staging issues that were found in the D1100....

 

However...the D1100 has a weird shape in the headband and I am really not at all fond of it.  It is very comfortable and the pads are great ( easy detaching pads AND the back side plate...possible woody coming soon? )  but it is literally shaped like a football, Stewie from family guy would love this set.  Near the earpads swivel mechanism, there are weird

 

<    >   shapes.    I have no idea why anyone would design a headband like that, but I am happy it is very comfortable, but not a set I would use outside in fear of looking like a radar dish, the space between your head and the band itself is small, but caused me to not want to take them out.  Comes with a tank like extension cord, short stock cable and a nice bag case. 

 

8/10 value and kitten approved

 

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is it just me or dos the ms 400 have a lot of mid more so than the m50 and less bass compared to the m50 and i think the ms400's lows and high bass is not as good as m50 

 

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How do the 1100's compare to the M50's for Hip hop and alternative rock unamped? Do vocals and mids get drowned out by the bass in the 1100's?

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