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the most complementary phone to sr325

post #1 of 14
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Hi, everyone! I am a new-comer here from china. I accidentally came upon this forum one day and I really feel this is the right place for information and knowledge update.

 

The phones I have ever purchased are sennheisser HD200, AKG K242HD, JVC HP-RX900, grado SR325. No need to explain sr325 trumps all the other three phones and is my most frequently used phone of course.

 

Due to economical reason I cannot afford a decent sound source equipment or a good amplifier (these things’ price is really ridiculous), so my sr325’s sound performance can only be considered as modestly well. Especially the treble part is really irritating sometimes, very hard to be controlled.

 

So here comes the question. I own sr325 now, a phone mainly good at pop, jazz and rock, which render most of my classical music collection idle. So I am searching a phone most complementary to sr325 in style. Considering that soon I will go to some other places for a period of time for work reasons, so I want this phone to be relatively easy to drive that I can directly insert it to my laptop and can also get a decent sound. My budget is within $300.

 

I want to introduce my favorite sound pattern of headphones. The first phone I’ve ever bought is HD200, which many people think is very lame (prevalent opinion in China), but this phone really caters to my sound taste. It’s quite obvious that sr325 is much higher than HD200 in sound quality, fidelity and definition, but there is just something about which sr325 can never overcome HD200----artistic feeling. So I also want to ask: Is HD600 or HD650 or even HD800 bear the same characteristic with HD200?

 

And there is another question. I am planning to buy an amplifier too. I know solo and lehmann get a good reputation. Looking at solo’s inside structure is really surprising, it’s hard to believe so few electronic items can sell at such a high price. Lehmann is much better. But both of them seems to be designed for HD600 and HD650. So my question is: Are these two amplifiers also suitable for other phones like sr325 or other brands. I also want to know which is the most adaptable amplifier to most headphones? I don’t want a most suitable amp for any particular phones, I just want a most diversified amp which can drive many phones to a primary satisfaction. It would be better if the amp can also function as a DAC.

 

post #2 of 14

While I believe there are better headphones for classical in that price range, unamped, the AD900 should be your best bet.

post #3 of 14

HD650's are very nice headphones to complement Grado's, at least for me. They are each others opposites. Grado's are exciting and upfront, yet fatiguing, the Senns are relaxing, laid back, but they also have detail.

 

HD600's are a bit less laid back and more neutral sounding then 650's, also very nice, but especially to complement my Grado's and Denon's, I chose the 650's to stay and let the 600's go (it was a very tough decision though, since these headphones are both wonderful on my opinion)

 

The Senns do need amping, but I don't have experience with the amps you mention.

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Originally Posted by idletime1213 View Post

While I believe there are better headphones for classical in that price range, unamped, the AD900 should be your best bet.



i rather prefer an european headphone, i just think japanese headphones are not good enough for classical music except Denon.

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HD650's are very nice headphones to complement Grado's, at least for me. They are each others opposites. Grado's are exciting and upfront, yet fatiguing, the Senns are relaxing, laid back, but they also have detail.

 

HD600's are a bit less laid back and more neutral sounding then 650's, also very nice, but especially to complement my Grado's and Denon's, I chose the 650's to stay and let the 600's go (it was a very tough decision though, since these headphones are both wonderful on my opinion)

 

The Senns do need amping, but I don't have experience with the amps you mention.


thanks for your reply.

 

what do you mean by the neutral sound of HD600? it seems HD600 inherit the sennheiser tradion more than HD650 and is a little low on the midrange.

 

i am curious what is your amp for your HD600 and HD650? can you show me the amp's names?
 

post #6 of 14

For classical the AKG K701/2 are often recommended but like the HD600/650, they need a pretty powerful amp. The least expensive amp I have seen that is said to work really well the the 701's is the FiiO E9. Together though you will be over your $300 budget unless you get some good deals used. The good thing about the E9 is that for $70 more you can add the E7 with can pull double duty...a portable amp and a DAC when docked on the E9.

 

For my money though, I would go for an M-Stage for a really highly regarded budget amp but again, it could be a budget buster as they run about $250 alone and no DAC.

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Originally Posted by Proglover View Post

HD650's are very nice headphones to complement Grado's, at least for me. They are each others opposites. Grado's are exciting and upfront, yet fatiguing, the Senns are relaxing, laid back, but they also have detail.

 

HD600's are a bit less laid back and more neutral sounding then 650's, also very nice, but especially to complement my Grado's and Denon's, I chose the 650's to stay and let the 600's go (it was a very tough decision though, since these headphones are both wonderful on my opinion)

 

The Senns do need amping, but I don't have experience with the amps you mention.


thanks for your reply.

 

what do you mean by the neutral sound of HD600? it seems HD600 inherit the sennheiser tradion more than HD650 and is a little low on the midrange.

 

i am curious what is your amp for your HD600 and HD650? can you show me the amp's names?
 



The HD650 is warmer, more laidback then 600, 600 has a more neutral sound as opposed to the more 'warm' colouring the 650 have. I had them next to eachother, they differ pretty much.

 

I used E9 on them.

 

I recently purchased another amp, waiting for it to be delivered: Neco soundlab Mosfet. I was in doubt between the Neco and the M-Stage, but went for the English Neco over the Chinese stuff.

M-Stage is highly regarded offcourse and know to be a very good amp for the buck.

post #8 of 14
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Sorry for replying so late, the Chinese NEW YEAR has been very exhausting these days.

 

Thanks to armandhammer and proglover for your reply and recommendations, very helpful.

 

It's not until now that I heard of this amp called E9, and i think M-stage maybe is a bargain. I have to find out an opportunity to try them.

 

 

 

and two bonus questions to proglover:

 

1. you have a D7000 obviously, a phone i've been craving for a long time, i want to know: Is D7000 without any amp better than a $300 phone combined with a $300 amp?

 

2. does your name suggest that you like progressive metal? To tell the truth, I am a huge fan of DREAM THEATER.

 

post #9 of 14

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1. To be honest, I really don't know because I've only listened to the D7000's from the E9 and now the Neco. Have to say I'm maybe not the right person to comment about the Denons. Although I hear they do most things better then all my other headphones, there's just something about it's sound I'm not very fond of. I can't pinpoint it until now, but for things like Dream Theater or other prog.rock/metal, I find myself grabbing HD650's or Grado's more often.

 

2. Yes I does suggest that. Prog. rock and metal, although I listen to other things as well. I've been a Dream Theater fan for years, but I have to say I'm not a big fan of the music they've been making the last few years.

post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by Proglover View Post

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1. To be honest, I really don't know because I've only listened to the D7000's from the E9 and now the Neco. Have to say I'm maybe not the right person to comment about the Denons. Although I hear they do most things better then all my other headphones, there's just something about it's sound I'm not very fond of. I can't pinpoint it until now, but for things like Dream Theater or other prog.rock/metal, I find myself grabbing HD650's or Grado's more often.

 

2. Yes I does suggest that. Prog. rock and metal, although I listen to other things as well. I've been a Dream Theater fan for years, but I have to say I'm not a big fan of the music they've been making the last few years.


thanks for reply. It's great that you like DT. I also heard that D7000 is a wonderful thing and it's obviously more advanced than HD650, I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO GET USED TO DIFFERENT SOUND PATTERN OF DIFFERENT PHONES. For example, when I bought sr325 I found it quite aggressive and a little terrible, but after several months' listening I came to realized its quality and chatacteristics and began to appreciate its style. So i think it's like a learning process.

 

Dream theater's latest albums aren't so classic as their early ones, but still very impressive. Maybe the album to be released this summer will make a breakthrough, let's see.
 

post #11 of 14

The HD650 would be your best bet since their sound is opposite of what Grado's produce. The Sennheisers are "relaxed" while the Grado's are "aggressive." The problem is that the HD650 need an amp to shine. The Grado's don't need an amp, but they definitely would benefit from certain amps to clean up the treble. If you want to go on a "budget" the Audio Technica AD900 compliment the Grado sound rather well. I'm not sure if you have any friends in Japan, but the AD900 are much cheaper there than anywhere else.

post #12 of 14

I'd never go for the opposite of a 325.  Then you'll just get a headphone that has too much bass and to little treble & definition.  Anything that is not a Grado will sound sufficiently different that it will provide a completely different musical experience.  Just look for something good of a different make.  biggrin.gif

 

p.s. just tried a D7000 out an ipod and surprisingly it did not sound terrible.  But it is deeper and smoother with an amp.  I'd say a D5000 w/out an amp would sound better.

post #13 of 14

Denon's tend to work well unamped, as do Audio Technica's.

post #14 of 14
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thanks for the replys above, just recently I've changed my mind, I want to buy a DT880 of 250 ohm, because it's much cheaper than its counterparts of other brands now. the opinions on the internet toward DT880 is "calm" and "balanced", maybe that's the feedling i want.

 

as you know, i have HD200, somebody say HD200 is similar to HD650 in sound characteristics, is that true? because i heard HD650 is really thick and  muddy and compromise the clear definition, but more sustainable for long-time listening. But HD200 is not thick, how can HD650 and HD650 similar in style? by the way i like the style of HD200 very much.

 

anyway i prepare to buy my first beyerdynamic, hoping it will cater my hearing taste.

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