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Plans/Blueprints for Grado Woodies?

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 

Hello all!

 

Im planning to do major mods to my Grado SR80i including venting and woody conversions.

Are there specifications for constructing grado woodies? because we are letting the chamber resonances come into play.

 

from my rough measures, i need a 2" hole saw and 2 1/8" for the outer rim? am i correct?

 

for wood, i have lots asian mahogany and hard bamboo. i know bamboo is not famous as tonewood but some spanish dude made a magnificent pipe organ out of them so they must be good... 

 

thanks guys!

post #2 of 9

From my research, height and type of wood doesnt make a difference to the sound of a grado. The differences seem to come from the type of grill you use to cover the hole. Different grids and materials there make a bigger difference than the wood type.

post #3 of 9
Thread Starter 

really? because i thought the drivers in the lower end grados are not "vented" so as to minimize the resonance of the plastic chamber? which i think will make a nasal sound.

 

from what youre saying, grado woodies are just for aesthetic purposes. i need to read more on this.

 

 

thanks for the reply.

post #4 of 9

You should be shooting for a 2" inner diameter hole saw and 2.5" diameter for the outer hole. The 2" allows the driver to be shimmed in with a small bit of electrical tape and the 2.5" OD allows the wall thickness to sturdier and resist too much resonance.

 

And from what has been found recently, there is a good difference depending on the wood used. I went from plastic shells to 3/4" thick Oak chambers with fairly open metal grilles and noticed a great change over the stock plastic shells. The grille won't make a ton of difference, as long as you don't restrict the flow as much as the stock grille. Moving from no grille to the metal I am using now didn't yield and perceptible changes to me.

 

I am currently working on my second revision with 5/4 (closer to 1.1" in reality) thick South American Mahogany. It is noticably heavier than the oak and I am hoping it sounds better too. It definately looks better right now. I am currently working on getting a nice mirror finish while keeping the grain pattern intact.

post #5 of 9

 

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I am currently working on getting a nice mirror finish while keeping the grain pattern intact.


Although I have not done it, People making wood pens use micromesh sandpaper on a lathe. From pics it seems they can get nearly mirror finishes *before* applying any sort of varnish.

post #6 of 9

Thanks for the suggestion, I will have to look into that. Its a lot harder than it sounds because working with a ring, there are two small segments where the grain runs parallel (the edges) and two where it runs perpendicualr (the ends). There is a space in between that I am currently trying to figure out how to sand exactly.

 

My next plan if all doesn't go well is to just start over and sand one of my other pairs of rings (I have 2 more pairs for now, capacity to make at least 10 more pairs) much less from the start. I think I may have overworked the pair I am now. I figure I will take what I have cut and just briefly sand them with some really fine grit paper.

post #7 of 9
Thread Starter 

thanks for the reply guys... unfortunately south american mahogany is not available in southeast asia! blink.gif

 

i have contacted a local guitar luthier for a list of possible tonewoods. most of them are indigenous species...

 

mr. sharkz,

 

based on my rough measurements, the 3/4" thickness of the wood chamber will not allow it to fit the headband retainers. how did you do it?

and a 5/4" chamber would be like 4.5" total diameter! 

 

im thinking making a 2" holebut i will not entirely remove the center part for use with the 2nd hole saw

use a larger hole saw to cut out the outer rim also not yet removing the inner core

use the inner core as axle attach it to the drill and use a sanding block to sand away the outer rim to the desired thickness.

 

is the chamber length critical?

post #8 of 9

I think your confusing my dimensions. A 2.5" outer diameter still allows the cup to fit in the gimbal with a small amount of adjustment. I used cut off finishing nails the same size as the original pins to keep my chambers attached the to gimbals, others have glued their chambers to the gimbals, however then there is no adjustment possible other than bending the headband when using glue.

 

The 2" inner diameter cut allows the bottom portion (with the driver inside it) to be inserted into the wooden cup with a small amount of shimming (I can use less than one wrapping of tape inside to shim things tightly).

 

Using the 2.5" and 2" combination, you are left with a 1/2" of material, or 1/4" wall thickness which isn't too flimsy, nor is it overkill. Plus these sizes allow things to attach into the gimabls, as noted above.

 

The 5/4" measurement refers the the unmilled thickness of the board. A 5/4" board is in reality closer to 1.1" thick when you buy it. Wood is sold in measurements before cutting, finishing, etc that happens before you actually buy the wood. After working things down sanding, I am down to about 1" thick which is still almost 3x deeper than the original plastic outer cup.

 

And feel free to call me Gary. Mr. Sharkz technically would be my father.....

post #9 of 9
Thread Starter 

Thanks gary! I sure did confuse the measurements. Ive been to at least three hardware stores and so far i havent found a hole saw of 2" and 2.5" i will search more.

 

How about the design? is this like a simple pipe? and maybe we could add a cool endcap to make it appear like a GS1000

 

What would you recommend as material for shimming the driver holder? caulk? glue?

I think its good to have a little allowance for shimming because if the plastic driver holder would be directly fitted to the wood, small gaps might create some rattling.

 

So, an extra 1" deep, but this is taken from measurements with a non-i grado?

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