[REVIEW] VSONIC GR07 – Labor of Love - Page 38

Not sure if you were talking to me, but I can tell you:

1. I listen w/ no eq. MK2 bass is PLENTY.

2. I did not like the Triple Fi 10 because of the horrible mids. Vocals were always behind a cloud.

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Originally Posted by putente 

Would anyone in the USA who owns the GR07 MK1 (or MK1.1) be able to lend them to the user eke2k6 for a 3 way shootout between all the existing GR07 models to this date: MK1 vs MK2 vs BE? That would be a really nice comparison to see and read about, no? If anyone is willing to do it, please contact eke2k6 by PM...

 

Thanks!  

In short:

- MK1 is clear, but sibilant (hiss sound)

- MK2 same thing, but a slightly better cable

- The new gr07 BE has dramatically reduced the sibilance, retained the better cable, and added (wait for it...) bass.

Sure, the old gr07s might have enough bass, but why settle for enough?

If we were comparing the interiors on Audis and BMWs.... Sure, the BMW is good enough on its own, but Audi is so much better, and you never want to look back.

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Originally Posted by vwinter 


In shorter:
Becuase you are looking at it purely from the perspective of someone that likes more bass. This is shockingly not a universal perspective.

And that analogy isn't even close to being applicable (and also looking at it from a mainly materials perspective).

Looking at it from a perspective of someone who likes bass, period.

Here, let me walk you through the analogy. The old 07s, have standard/ok bass to please an average listener who doesn't listen to genres that require much bass. But the new ones are so much more alive, and do more than necessary.

Sure, BMWs interiors are so-so. It's for people who just want to get from point A to point B. But Audi's are world-class. If you really think BMW has better interiors...then I might have to suggest seeking help.

Hopefully, now you are able to connect the two, as I did not find it too challenging.

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Originally Posted by vwinter 

Sigh. Thanks for your help in walking me through your incredibly complex analogy. Will you hold my hand next time?

You're still looking at it from one perspective. Just saying likes bass "period" is like looking at an object from only one side. There are many facets and dimensions to things. Maybe speed of bass is important to someone, or balance with midrange, or decay characteristics, or impact, or edge quality of notes, or timbre for instruments with fundamental frequencies in the bass range. I'm sure there's more. Then apply that to people who "like" midbass over subbass, or vice versa. Then you've got the accuracy people, which then brings the discussion of accuracy to what target.

And on what are you basing your "average listener?" You're grossly generalizing and panning a product on that very narrow perspective.

I'm not arguing with your opinion about car interiors. The Audi interior is very nice, for your viewpoint and your tastes. Thats my entire point.

And for the record, Audi interiors have better material quality, but they also tend to cost more within similar model ranges so you're paying for it. BMW made a business decision there. And honestly, from an aesthetic design perspective, Audi interiors bore the heck out of me, and I'm not really a fan of the canted and isolated toward the driver design because it alienates your passenger. It disrupts what I feel is an important flow across the dash and makes it seem like the passenger side is an afterthought (this reflects upon their target customer. kidding kidding). I'm talking A4 vs 3 Series.

I'd be more than happy to hold your hand. And I wouldn't consider it to be "narrow." In fact, I'd consider "accuracy" and most opinions on headfi to be in the extreme minority. Judging by the way those Beats are selling (I've never tried them), I'd imagine there are many more people who prefer bass than neutral, lifeless headphones (I know the audiophile term is "IEM"). Lol at "alienates your passenger."

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Originally Posted by kobetastic 

Lol why not just eq the low end so the bass is at its max. Why settle for just for bass on a flat eq. More is better right?

It's like asking "why not just buy an old/low-end car and tune it?" I listen to different genres, and I would hate to have to constantly change EQ presets, when I feel like switching from Rock to Hip Hop. The BEs are ready to go all the time :)