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Need help. PA2V2 vs. Fiio E7

post #1 of 29
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1. Should I get the PA2V2 or the E7?

2. Why?

 

I will use it with my Iphone 3 and a line out with Grados, CAL:s and X10.

post #2 of 29

I have both, pa2v2 is a little bit warmer, E5/7 is a little bit cleaner, E7 has the bass boost

 

I'd go with E7

post #3 of 29

^^^

 

I too own both. I like the volume control on the PA2V2 a little better but prefer cleaner sound from the E7. The E7 will also match your iPhone better in terms of size and shape.

post #4 of 29

I have extensive listening time with the E7, however I have not heard the PA2V2 at all. The E7 has a very crisp, clean sound and does not color the natural sound that the artist intended whatsoever, even when coupled with the E9. This seems consistent with what others have said as well. I personally plan on buying the E7 within the next week.

post #5 of 29

yes, and because you go for E7, you can always upgrade to a very nice E7/E9 DAC-desktop combo for the price, by buying that e9 if you would want that at a later point

post #6 of 29

In exactly the same situation - Don't know which to buy cool.gif

post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by Proglover View Post

yes, and because you go for E7, you can always upgrade to a very nice E7/E9 DAC-desktop combo for the price, by buying that e9 if you would want that at a later point



Exactly. The E7/E9 desktop combo is an outstanding deal for the price and gives a very "uncolored" sound.

post #8 of 29

I'm really intrigued by the E7/E9 combo. I will be working come Aprilish and am thinking about going for that.

post #9 of 29
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Originally Posted by Sonic Atrocity View Post

I'm really intrigued by the E7/E9 combo. I will be working come Aprilish and am thinking about going for that.


I would definitely recommend it. Since mine arrived in the mail a while ago, not a day has gone by that it has been unused. Well worth the money so far

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I would definitely recommend it. Since mine arrived in the mail a while ago, not a day has gone by that it has been unused. Well worth the money so far


Really eh? Seems like a really cheap price (200 bucks right?) considering what you are getting. One thing I have read is that the DAC is a 16 bit 48 kHz device. Now, CD quality (which is what most music is produced in these days, correct?) is 16 bit 44.1 kHz right? So, the E7 (dac) would be sufficient to play my lossless (or in other words cd quality) files right? Now, if I wanted to play Blu-Ray or SACD files then I would want a 24 bit (not sure how many kHz) DAC correct?

 

(Bare with me. I am still learning).

 

See, I am interested in this combo as it would play the vast majority of my files. But a while ago I was in a CD store and I saw NIN's The Downward Spiral Deluxe Edition and it was in SACD format. I thought it'd be neat to hear that and I am curious about the future of music production. Will it all go to SACD? Sorry, I'm just blabbing here haha.

post #11 of 29

Given that CD quality has already reached the limits of normal human hearing, and more than 99% of people only demand CD material or worse, I would say that SACD won't be mainstream any time soon (think decades). On the other hand, video is another story, depending on how close you look at the screen increasing the resolution will result in detectable improvement.

post #12 of 29

So does that make the SACD format virtually pointless then? Are the improvements detectable by the human ear?

post #13 of 29
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Given that CD quality has already reached the limits of normal human hearing, and more than 99% of people only demand CD material or worse, I would say that SACD won't be mainstream any time soon (think decades). On the other hand, video is another story, depending on how close you look at the screen increasing the resolution will result in detectable improvement.



Both audio and video are easily distinguishable between SD and HD, 16bit 44.1KHz is not nearly the same as 24bit 48/96KHz. And while a properly mastered cd can indeed be quite good, there is just more headroom on high definition audio, and that isn't related to the hearing limits as you assume.

post #14 of 29

I can provide some insight, as I've used both a lot

 

Garys PAv2 is a pure amp, and its pretty decent for cheap headphones, as a personal rule I wouldnt use it for anything over $100.  Great for cheaper budget IEMS.  The sound quality is okay, i would not rate it good.  There are other amps out there that are better for that price, but Garys pav2 has a very transparent sounding amp, good layering so to speak, although it sounds grainy compared to the E7, for $60 or so, excellent deal

however if you want a DAC, look at the HOTSPOT AUDIO BITPERFECT, its literally identical to the pav2 in the exact same case and it is one of the nicest DACs I've ever used, has a fantastic sound to it, nice and warm, velvet like with very good sound quality.  But, its only a usb dac.  The guy who runs the site is a really nice guy and replies fast.

 

The E7 is a different beast.  It is 75% DAC and 25% Amp.  the Dac sounds excellent, definitely a little nicer than the hotspot audio dac.  Using foobar, flac and wasapi is pure win.  Its an all around great DAC.  The amp portion is lacking, but it does a great job with IEMS. When I use my Audio Technica ESW9 with rockbox clip amped with the E7, there is almost no difference than without using it and just using the sansa clip+   however, something like my 9wave Pros sound significantly nicer, much more sparkled and clean.  

 

There are a few downsides to the Fiio E7, like the bass boost, its ugly and something I never use.  Warps the bass and makes it muddish at least to the gear I have.  Also, the front face plate is easily scuffed and cracked.  For an example, look below.  This e7 was purchased just 5 days ago and its already battle damaged to no end, it happened on the first day when I forgot to put the screen cover on it and let it tumble around in my pocket with my sansa clip for 1 day.

 

to sum it up, you should get the Pav2 if you have higher impedance needs, but you will sacrifice the extra power with a decrease in sound quality if you are using a more expensive set.  If you need just a Dac, you should get the E7, if you want a much more powerful dac, get the Bitperfect, if you want something to do light dac work and something to help out lower impedance sets or iems, you cant do better than the E7

 

salutes*  Battledamaged after 1 day

 

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post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by Roller View Post


Both audio and video are easily distinguishable between SD and HD, 16bit 44.1KHz is not nearly the same as 24bit 48/96KHz. And while a properly mastered cd can indeed be quite good, there is just more headroom on high definition audio, and that isn't related to the hearing limits as you assume.


There has not been enough evidence with double-blind testing showing that 24bit is objectively distingishable from 16bit. But of course, everyone is entitled to their subjective opinion, and if you enjoy 24bit more than 16bit, no one is stopping you. Note that many companies do a better mastering job with their high definition version of the same recording.

 

This thread is great, not sure if you have read it. The OP states the there is no difference between 16bit and 24bit in theory, the extra headroom you talked about from 24bit is only useful for recording purposes, not for listening. It's been extensively discussed there already.

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