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post #31 of 49
Originally Posted by morizuno View Post

well, any other options besides the TF10s that have no problems fitting?

You're going to have a hard time getting the same level of quality for the price.  If you've got more $$, then there are a bunch of other IEMs that would do what you want. Check that massive review by |joker|.  I personally love the TF10s and had only minimal fit problems, fixed by flip mod and the Sony hybrid tips.

post #32 of 49

It's true, considering the crazy sale prices the TF10s are going for lately, there is no better headphone on the market anywhere NEAR the same price. Some people argue that the Shure 525s, the Westone um3x or the Monster Pro Coppers are better/equal, but it's easily possible to pick up the TF10s for half the price. That's a steal, and there's no reason not to own a pair, really.


That said, most people don't have the fit issues I did, but still try to buy from somewhere that you can make a return to easily, just in case. 


If you want to absolutely remove the possibility of a bad fit, pick any of the other 3 I mentioned, but be prepared to pay twice as much for the same sound quality.

post #33 of 49
Thread Starter 

alright. And are there any good non iems

post #34 of 49
Thread Starter 

im  not to sure about the TF10s.  I mean, there's a lot of complaints about them shorting when a drop of water hits them, and things like this scare me because I live in florida when it rains excessively in the summer 

post #35 of 49


post #36 of 49
Thread Starter 

can't seem to find them on the net. Bearing in mind the link of the music that I listen to, what else would you recommend? ALL of the music I listen to has been recorded no earlier than 03'


here's a somewhat different example



post #37 of 49

Good music will sound good on good headphones. 




Sounds great on all the pairs I've had since I came across this website here. 

post #38 of 49
Thread Starter 

um excuse me? What iems where you referring to in that post 

post #39 of 49

I am saying that it doesn't matter. All of the headphones I've had sound good with all music. Don't try to find the perfect headphone for one genre. 

post #40 of 49
Thread Starter 

Oh okay, I see what you mean. I really would like to achieve clean, crisp audio.  I'd like to hear cymbals and pretty much everything going on in the track

post #41 of 49

Cymbals? Grado's. They are the be all, end all of beautiful percussion reproduction. 

post #42 of 49

If you're not in a huge hurry, why don't you buy stuff used, give it a try and if it doesn't work, sell it and move on? Give the REO a try, try some bassier IEMs


And seriously, read this review: http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/478568/multi-iem-review-134-iems-compared-ecci-pr401-added-01-17

post #43 of 49
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by rroseperry View Post

If you're not in a huge hurry, why don't you buy stuff used, give it a try and if it doesn't work, sell it and move on? Give the REO a try, try some bassier IEMs


And seriously, read this review: http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/478568/multi-iem-review-134-iems-compared-ecci-pr401-added-01-17

well you see, these are kind of going to be a birthday gift for me. This is why I'd prefer to get them right the first time. I'm leaning over to the ue 700s since people have been complaining about the RE0s durability (one side dies or something)




from grado, I like 



post #44 of 49

I don't think |joker| thought much of them. Here's the review


Details: First budget-oriented IEM from Grado Labs

Current Price: $89 from Amazon.com (MSRP: $89)

Specs: Driver: Dynamic | Imp: 24 Ω | Sens: 105dB | Freq: 20-20k Hz | Cable: 4.3’ 45-degree plug

Nozzle Size: 3.5mm | Preferred tips: Stock bi-langes

Wear Style: Straight down or over-the-ear


Accessories (1.5/5) – Large bi-flange silicone tips (2 pairs), conical silicone tips, and foamhybrid tips

Build Quality (3/5) – The generic housings are similar to those used on the VSonic R02ProII but made completely out of plastic. A rubber sheath covers the rear of the housings and extends into a long strain relief at the cable entry point. The cord is flexible and rubberized but quite thin and very prone to tangling

Isolation (3.5/5) – Adequate for a ported dynamic IEM, especially with bi-flange tips Slightly prone to wind noise due to side-facing vents

Microphonics (3.5/5) – Not particularly bothersome but still present when worn cable-down. Sadly neither a cable cinch or shirt clip are present to reduce microphonics

Comfort (3/5) - Since the iGi are missing the usual slew of single-flange tips, they are not very friendly toward those with smaller ear canals. The conical tips are the closest thing to small single-flanges Grado chose to include with the iGi but getting a proper seal with them is tricky. Aftermarket Sony Hybrid tips are highly recommended for anyone having trouble getting a seal with the stock selection. Wearing them over-the-ear can be a bit tricky at first due to the long rubber strain reliefs. The thin and flexible cable compensates for this to an extent


Sound (6/10) – Since I first heard the SR60 several years ago, I’ve been hooked on the Grado house sound and my headphone collection has contained at least one example of the Grado signature. Much of my listening, however, is done on the move – an application for which open-back Grados are particularly unsuited. The idea of a reasonably-priced Grado in-ear - the iGi was particularly attractive to me as a fan of both IEMs and the Grado house sound. Fast forward several months after the release of the iGi and there they were - on my desk and immaculately packaged. What came next were months of agonizing attempts to like the sound. Don't get me wrong - the iGi do several things very well for a reasonably-priced in-ear. But those hoping for SR60-like value for money will be sorely disappointed.


The bass response is tight and quick, with little rumble but plenty of impact. Low end extension is good but the emphasis is on mid- and upper bass. The bass transitions into the lower midrange with no bleed and the lower mids are quite smooth and natural. Clarity and detail are both good across the range and the iGi manage to reproduce a sense of space, something many in-ears struggle with. The soundstage boasts impressive width and mediocre depth, resulting in a spacious but poorly separated sound.


The upper midrange is where it all starts to go wrong, however. Despite the significant break-in time give to my set, the iGi are overly harsh and quite sibilant to my ears. I will admit that I have a very low tolerance for such phenomena - even the generally well-liked Klipsch Image S4 lack treble refinement to my ears. Tolerance aside, the iGi simply lack smoothness. There are several very noticeable spikes in the frequency response, which negatively affect the reproduction of certain instruments and vocals. The upper-midrange spikes can cause the crack of snare drums to sound very sharp. Uneven treble around 10kHz causes cymbals on some tracks to be downright piercing. All of this is even more puzzling considering that the promotional materials for the earphones claim an “ultra-smooth top end”, the exact opposite of what I hear. As a result, the iGi are poorly suited for rock and metal, genres usually considered to be the calling card of Grado products. They actually sound best with trance and electronica – vocal-light genres with minimal natural harmonics that benefit greatly from the tight bass, overall clarity, and extended upper treble that the earphones deliver. It should also be said that the innate flaws of the iGi wreak havoc when combined with low bitrate tracks and the earphones are very sensitive when it comes to source matching.


Value (5/10) – The Grado iGi are the company’s first attempt at a reasonably-priced in-ear earphone. Unfortunately, their mediocrity in build quality, comfort, isolation, and microphonics makes it difficult to justify the $90 price tag. However it is sound quality, the eternal centerpiece of the Grado philosophy, where the iGi should fare best against the competition. Sadly, the lack of control in the upper midrange and lower treble makes them sound harsh and sibilant. Don’t get me wrong - there is much to like when it comes to the clarity, detail, and bass. I just wish I could enjoy them for more than an hour before listening fatigue settles in



It's unreasonable to think you're going to get it right, right out of the box.


As far as RE0 build goes, I've had some since October and had no trouble with them, but I'm pretty careful with my iems, after three sets of cable issues with Shures.


post #45 of 49

I was really talking about full sized Grado's. I know they aren't the best option but still something to MAYBE consider. 

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