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post #7801 of 13674
9/27/12 at 7:36pm
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But i can use Dolby Headphone codec on Media Player Classic, can't? So i just plug or the headphone directly on laptop or plug the DSS to amp the laptop output.

And this Turtle Beach's "Advance Micro II"? Will add an optical output by $20. So i can pass directly the Dolby Digital audio to DSS to decode it and encode using Dolby Headphone...

 

This USB cards will be at least $60 w/ shipping :/

 

Oh, for movies? Yes, you can easily do Dolby Headphone through media players. I thought you were talking about gaming, in which case it needs to be part of the audio device driver.

 

Cheap USB S/PDIF output devices may provide a passthrough, but remember that for sources that aren't already encoded in Dolby Digital or DTS, all you get is stereo unless they explicitly support Dolby Digital Live and/or DTS Connect.

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post #7802 of 13674
9/27/12 at 7:47pm
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Unfortunately, I can't find any hifiman brand in Hongkong. I spent 2 hours looking on every cans store, but no Hifiman. After much testing, I fell that 650 and beyer 990 pro 250 ohm will suit me best. 650 will satisfy my music need while sacrificing the gaming, vice versa with beyer.

Actually if have not much to spare, I will take the beyer. At 220usd, its a steal, but 650 at 360usd, I have no problem.

From Headfonia, the fiio e17 reviewer said it can drive the 650 just fine and help with its soundstage. I just have the fiio e17 now, but eventually, I will buy better amp when I have money to spare.

 

widdyjudas, I never said that you can find Hifiman headphones in physical stores in Hong Kong. I said the product ships from China, so I figured this would potentially mean less time/money cost and hassle for you. Folks like me and MLE ordered the HE-400 online, from Hifiman's website. We did so without having heard the final product beforehand, and we are not disappointed.

 

As MLE pointed out, there is some talk about the HE-400 having new drivers now, and they may/may not be what you are looking for. This is all unconfirmed at the moment, however. 

Assuming the HE-400 has the sound you are looking for, it probably makes the most sense. It's got decent soundstage and positioning, confirmed to be easy to drive (including and specifically with an E17, which you have), excellent bass that does not drown out the mids or highs.

It is a rare headphone that has garnered consistent praise, and very little buyer's remorse. As you can see from this thread: http://www.head-fi.org/t/586885/new-hifiman-headphone-he-400-is-out

 

I make no claim to understanding how the 650 will sound for gaming, and from an E17. I've not owned either. Fwiw, I have owned a 600, and was never impressed by it for gaming. It was nice for music (great tone). 

I've got an 880 too. it's quite good pulling double-duty on gaming and music, but it can sound harsh for music. The 990 is known to have even more boosted treble. So you're potentially taking a risk there.

And lastly: I would strongly advise taking Headfonia's views with a big pinch of salt. 

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post #7803 of 13674
9/27/12 at 8:53pm
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widdyjudas, I never said that you can find Hifiman headphones in physical stores in Hong Kong. I said the product ships from China, so I figured this would potentially mean less time/money cost and hassle for you. Folks like me and MLE ordered the HE-400 online, from Hifiman's website. We did so without having heard the final product beforehand, and we are not disappointed.

 

As MLE pointed out, there is some talk about the HE-400 having new drivers now, and they may/may not be what you are looking for. This is all unconfirmed at the moment, however. 

Assuming the HE-400 has the sound you are looking for, it probably makes the most sense. It's got decent soundstage and positioning, confirmed to be easy to drive (including and specifically with an E17, which you have), excellent bass that does not drown out the mids or highs.

It is a rare headphone that has garnered consistent praise, and very little buyer's remorse. As you can see from this thread: http://www.head-fi.org/t/586885/new-hifiman-headphone-he-400-is-out

 

I make no claim to understanding how the 650 will sound for gaming, and from an E17. I've not owned either. Fwiw, I have owned a 600, and was never impressed by it for gaming. It was nice for music (great tone). 

I've got an 880 too. it's quite good pulling double-duty on gaming and music, but it can sound harsh for music. The 990 is known to have even more boosted treble. So you're potentially taking a risk there.

And lastly: I would strongly advise taking Headfonia's views with a big pinch of salt. 


Still, I need to test my self the cans I want to buy. I don't want to gamble my money on something based on online review, like my m50...

For Hifiman, I must try it before buying it. No test no buy... I will test the 990 next time and compare with the 650 when I have the time to go to the store.

Someone from the 650 appreciation thread is making an analysis on gaming with 650 for me. Thanks you so much!!!

I will put the link here when the analysis is done.

Sorry, but not from English speaking country here. You mean that not to take headfonia review seriously?


Edited by widdyjudas - 9/27/12 at 9:25pm
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9/27/12 at 9:35pm
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CHICOLOM!



http://www.akg.com/site/products/powerslave,id,1340,pid,1340,nodeid,2,_language,EN.html







65th Anniversary Edition K702, and BUMP FREE! Time to sell your Q701!

The MSRP is a bit high 549 pounds, lol. Pretty sure it will come down to realistic levels though. The K702 was pretty expensive back in the day.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/27/12 at 9:47pm
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post #7805 of 13674
9/27/12 at 10:00pm
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Still, I need to test my self the cans I want to buy. I don't want to gamble my money on something based on online review, like my m50...

For Hifiman, I must try it before buying it. No test no buy... I will test the 990 next time and compare with the 650 when I have the time to go to the store.

 

I understand, I really do. I've never bought without demo-ing the final product except on 2 occasions: my customs, and the HE-400. When you get comfortable with the opinions (and in particular who is expressing them), you might be comfortable with doing what I did. 

I just want to state one last time for the record: the HE-400 is an excellent option (if the current version hasn't been changed, as rumours suggest).

 

 

 

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Someone from the 650 appreciation thread is making an analysis on gaming with 650 for me. Thanks you so much!!!

I will put the link here when the analysis is done.

 

That would be great!

 

 

 

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Sorry, but not from English speaking country here. You mean that not to take headfonia review seriously?

 

Yes, that's what I mean. Don't trust Headfonia too much; the main writer there (Mike) loves his bass. As you know, too much bass is bad for competitive gaming. 

Also, his reviews tend to be too positive. That just doesn't make sense to me: how can nearly everything you review be good? And I consistently notice that when he compares products, the more expensive products tend to get praised more; this cannot always be true, so I am suspicious.

 

I think the website is sincere. But I do not think them critical enough.

 

 

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CHICOLOM!
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http://www.akg.com/site/products/powerslave,id,1340,pid,1340,nodeid,2,_language,EN.html

65th Anniversary Edition K702, and BUMP FREE! Time to sell your Q701!
The MSRP is a bit high 599 pounds, lol. Pretty sure it will come down to realistic levels though. The K702 was pretty expensive back in the day.

 

That is one sweet looking headphone.

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post #7806 of 13674
9/27/12 at 10:08pm
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I understand, I really do. I've never bought without demo-ing the final product except on 2 occasions: my customs, and the HE-400. When you get comfortable with the opinions (and in particular who is expressing them), you might be comfortable with doing what I did. 
I just want to state one last time for the record: the HE-400 is an excellent option (if the current version hasn't been changed, as rumours suggest).




That would be great!




Yes, that's what I mean. Don't trust Headfonia too much; the main writer there (Mike) loves his bass. As you know, too much bass is bad for competitive gaming. 
Also, his reviews tend to be too positive. That just doesn't make sense to me: how can nearly everything you review be good? And I consistently notice that when he compares products, the more expensive products tend to get praised more; this cannot always be true, so I am suspicious.

I think the website is sincere. But I do not think them critical enough.



That is one sweet looking headphone.

Thanks for the support. I wiil wait for the review and post it here. I want to see if his opinion is correct with you guys.
Thats a good looking phone. But if its still bass less, then not for me. The price itself is too high for me.
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post #7807 of 13674
9/27/12 at 10:11pm

widdyjudas, I wasn't recommending you the black AKG headphone. I was just commenting on it to MLE.

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post #7808 of 13674
9/27/12 at 10:16pm
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Just wanna state that bass heavy headphones CAN be good for competitive (Pro 900, DT990 Premium, D7000 come to mind), but as far as STANDARD bassy cans, the bass can and will most likely muddy up the details. I think it's more of an issue with CLOSED bassy cans (i.e. DT770 pro 80), which just drowns out the sound with bass, whereas open cans let the bass decay quickly.

Not that there's a lot of options for open, bassy cans.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/27/12 at 10:17pm
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post #7809 of 13674
9/27/12 at 10:19pm

^ Other than HE-400.

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post #7810 of 13674
9/27/12 at 10:24pm
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The HE-400 is not really a basshead can. When directly compared to typical audiophile bassy cans like the 990, D7000, Pro 900, the HE-400 is quite obviously missing a lot of the bass presence. It's when the HE-400 is compared to balanced headphones like the DT880 and Q701 that the bass really stands out. So really, presence-wise, the HE-400 is in between a balanced can, and a bassy one. It's really in a good place, to be honest. What is does better than those I just mentioned, is that it does all frequencies of bass justice, whereas the others only do either sub bass, or mid bass justice, so at times, it can compete with those in terms of quantity because it doesn't have a recess in bass anywhere, where those do.

It also never injects bass where there isn't any, but if the audio demands bass, the HE-400 produces it wonderfully. With the D7000 and the rest, there will always be some bass bloat, making them sound unnatural at times.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/27/12 at 10:26pm
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post #7811 of 13674
9/27/12 at 10:28pm

Allow me to quote myself from the other thread:

 

"The HE-400 isn't bassy until the bass kicks in. Then the HE-400 kicks you."

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post #7812 of 13674
9/27/12 at 11:10pm
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CHICOLOM!

65th Anniversary Edition K702, and BUMP FREE! Time to sell your Q701!

 

 

 

 

Very nice!!

 

That K702 looks hawt, but still not worth the price for a slightly reskinned Q701 and a new headband. 

 

If it comes down to $250 it'd be a no-brainer recommendation over the other AKGs.  It says limited edition though, so it may not ever get that low frown.gif

 

 

I wonder if they'll start retrofitting that headband to the other x70x.  rolleyes.gif


Edited by chicolom - 9/27/12 at 11:13pm
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post #7813 of 13674
9/27/12 at 11:24pm
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If they do.... better sell your Q701 NOW! biggrin.gif
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post #7814 of 13674
9/27/12 at 11:24pm
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widdyjudas, I wasn't recommending you the black AKG headphone. I was just commenting on it to MLE.

I know lol! I just commenting the akg...
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post #7815 of 13674
9/28/12 at 6:15am
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CHICOLOM!

65th Anniversary Edition K702, and BUMP FREE!

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Edited by Evshrug - 9/28/12 at 6:16am
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