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post #12001 of 13666
2/27/13 at 7:55pm

q701 with mixamp plus mod mic.

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Originally Posted by illbleed View Post

So what would be a better set up..

 

dt990 Pros with a desktop amp (recommended?) plus mod mic/ mic attachement

 

 

q701 with mixamp plus mod mic?

 

i can only really afford to buy the q701, or keep my ddt990s and just buy a amp plus a mod mic.

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post #12002 of 13666
2/27/13 at 8:42pm
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No. I heard the AD900 has worse positional cues and a wonkier soundstage.

Ok I'll get the AD700 brand new for the same price. Thanks mate.

Any suggestion on an accompanying mic? from this list 

 

Also I hear the Plantronics Gamecon 780 isn't bad for gaming, I knows it's usb connection (I guess it simulates 7.1 surround), your thoughts? Only reason i ask this is because I had a cheap pair of plantronics headphones in the past and it was my best headphone better than Sennheiser PC350 which have been complete crap for gaming, if i only bought the PC360 maybe, but I won't be buying sennheiser again. I have asus sonar dx sound card on my new computer

 

But you're saying Sennheiser HD 598 Headphones are pretty good for gaming? I only want to work out the position of enemy and stuff in game, not asking a lot.

 

I've also owned steel series siberia v2 - complete crap for gaming, comfortable though, but crap for gaming.

Logitech G35 - more crap. The only good thing logitech have made is their earlier mice MX518 & MX510 and their G9 (their G500 was like using a house brick), I have their G510 Keyboard and it's very ordinary. Who wants to look down at a stats display on the keyboard, by the time you do that you're dead in game from taking your eyes off the screen. And a lot of mechanical keyboards are overrated. The amount of gaming BS these companies release that is crap is criminal. Although the best keyboard for movement in game I owned was a razer lycosa, very tactile keyboard and good keys but i wore it out after a couple of years. 

 

rant over 


Edited by chooka - 2/27/13 at 9:17pm
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post #12003 of 13666
2/27/13 at 9:20pm
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If they're strictly for competitive gaming then yes, for that purpose they're worth the $100. Comfort seems to be hit or miss, I found them light and comfortable but I guess people with different heads or the fidgety kind might find them too loose etc. I've read you can shape the top metal arc with some rubber bands to adjust the fit tho.
I actually bent the top arcs of mine, just a little. A bend inward at the middle, then a bend outward partway along each side, resulting in a more straight up/down fit more flush against the head instead of pointing at the bottom of the ear/mid-jaw area. But like I said, I only bent it a little, most people wouldn't (haven't) noticed by looking at it. Years later I thought I'd go ahead and "tie" together the headband "wings" with a rubber band (just happened to find one the perfect size in my GF's... uh, doctor totchkies bag?), which increased clamping pressure but also makes the earcups sit even more balanced on the ears, as now there is pressure on the top part of the ears as well as the bottom.

I should just put mine up for "adoption," lol.
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post #12004 of 13666
2/27/13 at 9:41pm
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I actually bent the top arcs of mine, just a little. A bend inward at the middle, then a bend outward partway along each side, resulting in a more straight up/down fit more flush against the head instead of pointing at the bottom of the ear/mid-jaw area. But like I said, I only bent it a little, most people wouldn't (haven't) noticed by looking at it. Years later I thought I'd go ahead and "tie" together the headband "wings" with a rubber band (just happened to find one the perfect size in my GF's... uh, doctor totchkies bag?), which increased clamping pressure but also makes the earcups sit even more balanced on the ears, as now there is pressure on the top part of the ears as well as the bottom.

I should just put mine up for "adoption," lol.

 

That's pretty much the same way I bent mine.  I just made them so the bottom and top of the pad hit at the same time, instead of the bottom hitting first and annoying the jaw.

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post #12005 of 13666
2/28/13 at 2:17am
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Originally Posted by illbleed View Post

So what would be a better set up..

dt990 Pros with a desktop amp (recommended?) plus mod mic/ mic attachement


q701 with mixamp plus mod mic?

i can only really afford to buy the q701, or keep my ddt990s and just buy a amp plus a mod mic.

That's a tough one... If both are properly amp'd it's kind of a matter of personal preference between the DT 990 & Q701, and you did say you were loving the former even without an amp no?

You could try getting an amp like the Magni ($100, cheaper than a new pair of headphones) in order to figure out what you may be missing right now, it should absolutely make a difference for the Beyers... But if for some reason it disappoints you can just return it and then look at other headphones/options (tho realistically the Q701 need an amp to play optimally as well).

I'm assuming you'd keep the mixamp either way since you already have it, the way your post's worded makes it seem like you'd only have it with the 701's.
Edited by Impulse - 2/28/13 at 2:18am
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post #12006 of 13666
2/28/13 at 3:27am
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That's a tough one... If both are properly amp'd it's kind of a matter of personal preference between the DT 990 & Q701, and you did say you were loving the former even without an amp no?

You could try getting an amp like the Magni ($100, cheaper than a new pair of headphones) in order to figure out what you may be missing right now, it should absolutely make a difference for the Beyers... But if for some reason it disappoints you can just return it and then look at other headphones/options (tho realistically the Q701 need an amp to play optimally as well).

I'm assuming you'd keep the mixamp either way since you already have it, the way your post's worded makes it seem like you'd only have it with the 701's.

no you were right, id use it for either headphones (the mixamp).

I see.. i do love my dt990s, but i guess i just feel like spending. lol. 

i almost bought a pair of q701s for 170 today, but someone out bid me T.T

but i think ill try buying an amp.. i just really wanna get the q701s cause i hear so many good things.

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post #12007 of 13666
2/28/13 at 3:31am
You can always buy the Q701 the next time you spot a deal and then sell the Beyers, they've got a decent resale value.
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post #12008 of 13666
2/28/13 at 8:17am
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If I get the D7000, I'm gonna order some Lawton pads, which are real leather. Having used the LCD2, I see that leather pads are a bit better in comfort than pleather. My skin doesn't stick to it, and doesn't irritate it as much. I still would prefer velour, but I can live with leather pads.

That's a big if. Guess we'll find out in 5 days.

Not gonna lie, if the HE-400 was with me right now, I'd have a listing up on the FS section. If it sold, then yes, the D7000 would be a yes.

MLE, have you considered trying the Audeze Vegan Pads for the D7000?  I know they'll fit, but I've not seen anyone try the Vegan Pads specifically on any Denons.  They're a little cheaper too!

 

LCD-2 Pads on some Denons:

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post #12009 of 13666
2/28/13 at 8:37am
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I'm afraid of what it will do to the sound. I was thinking of just getting some Lawton pads, but now you got me curious. Does Audeze have a return period for the pads? I'm close to getting a D7000, so...
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post #12010 of 13666
2/28/13 at 12:21pm
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I'm afraid of what it will do to the sound. I was thinking of just getting some Lawton pads, but now you got me curious. Does Audeze have a return period for the pads? I'm close to getting a D7000, so...

I've never purchased anything from them personally so I'm not sure, but based on what others have said there is little to no effect on the sound aside from reports of slightly more soundstage.  This of course would be on LCD-2 and LCD-3 themselves, so I can't say how they'd effect the D7000.  They look insanely comfy, though...I thought I'd mention it because I've seen you prefer velour and the like, plus they would kinda match the D7000 cups. 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/586157/audeze-lcd-2-vegan-earpads-feedback-installation-mini-review

http://www.head-fi.org/t/636157/audeze-vegan-pads-vs-lambskin-comfort-and-sound

 

No harm in asking Audeze if they have a return policy on the pads, though: http://audeze.zendesk.com/anonymous_requests/new

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post #12011 of 13666
2/28/13 at 8:21pm

soo I really like my pc360's! I can only compare them to the razer's i had before and uh.. yeah I like them a lot! thank you envy for helping put this all together so I could make a decision :)

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post #12012 of 13666
3/1/13 at 2:33am

still cant decide between the q701 or just keeping my dt 990s and using those as my main headphones plus a modmic.

Really wish i could try them out at best buy -.-.

 

I could just get an amp and a modmic to make my dt990s become my ultimate headphones.

How do the desktop amps work? cause im looking at the fiio e9k, and im not sure if i need to buy a fiio e17 for it to actually work. Can i just use the fiio e9k as the amp?

or it doesnt work like that? damn such noob questions lol...

 

can anyone explain what amping really does?


Edited by illbleed - 3/1/13 at 2:58am
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post #12013 of 13666
3/1/13 at 5:32am

The Fiio E9 will work without the E17 (thou you probably will need some cables to connect to it).

Amps basicly add more "power" (in layman terms) so that the sound is more full (there are no frequencies left behind) and increse volume.

Good headphones almost always benefit from amping, but how much is it worth it, is very subjective.

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post #12014 of 13666
3/1/13 at 5:51am
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JUST got home. What I'm gonna do is find a few tracks I can identify easily with the Annie. Then I will quickly swap out the pads and put them on the Q701, as well as using the Annie stock cable on the Q701. This will keep them as true to the Annie as possible. Will post my findings soonish.

Using the Annie pads on the Q701, and Q701 pads on the Annie. Can definitely tell the Annie is airier with less bass in this configuration. The detachable cable makes A/B testing much easier/faster.

First test is Q701 with both pads.

Hmm... despite the differences in tonal characteristics between pads, I must say the Q701 pads and Annie pads aren't night and day. It's literally a change between sub bass extension and treble/air, and it's not HUGE. I have to say BOTH pads are great. The Q701 pads decay the bass a bit faster, and sub bass is not as extended, but mid bass is similar. The vocals are brighter and a bit sharper in comparison to the Annie pads, but there is a sparkle that is not as evident on the Annie pads. The Annie pads soften that sharpness, and do make things just a hint warmer and less fatiguing, though not as immedately airy. I have to say, I do prefer the Annie pads. It sounds fuller and more rounded, more organic/natural, IMHO.

Second test is comparing the Annie vs Q701 headphones with the Annie pads:

I'm not able to swap FAST enough, but I SWEAR, Tdock's Q701 is voiced just a hint brighter than my Annie. Not sure if it's driver variation or burn-in, etc, but it is brighter, even with Annie pads. Either way, I do prefer the Q701 with Annie pads than the Q701 pads, so whether it's the same exact sound out of the headphones or not, I say the Annie pads are worth it, IMHO.

Either way, make no mistake, they are either the same sonically, or they are nearly 98% the same with a slight more warmth out of the Annie, though my Annie isn't as burned in as tdock's Q701, if you believe in that... what I do know is that my Annie is warmer and more bottom heavy and not as airy as his Q701 with the Annie pads.

edit: Absolutely. My Annie is warmer. Not a huge difference, but I can hear it. So it doesn't sound identical to HIS Q701, but it's close-ish. I don't want to commit to saying it is or isn't the same, but either way, the sound is very close, so if you own the Q701 and are fine with the headband, it's worth trying out the Annie pads.

Just remember, two of the same headphone can sound slightly different. Case in point, I had THREE DT990/600ohms in my house at the same time, and they all sounded a hair different from one another, one of them being noticeably more bassy and mid recessed compared to the other two.

I venture to say that tdock's Q701 sounds MORE balanced and airy with the Annie pads, than my Annie! It's not as bassy, but it sounds more linear and not as smoothened up on the treble, making it more 'flat'. If his Q701 is balanced, my Annie slightly darker than balanced in comparison. It's noticeable. I'm wondering what the change could be. It's close, but it's either slight driver variation, burn in, or god knows what. But it's evident. More bass and body, less air, and warmer tone on my Annie vs Q701 with the same pads.

Test 3 is Annie stock vs Q701 stock:

This is the truest comparison, as you can hear what the Annie has in comparison to the Q701.

Impressions to come at a later date.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/1/13 at 6:30am
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post #12015 of 13666
3/1/13 at 8:05am

<3, my dt 990s have arrived today and my Mad Dogs will be in soon as well :D YAY, also my odac sounds magical

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