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Sorry, do see what you're referring to, but even by reading again I couldn't find it? :)

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Originally Posted by ruuku View Post

I believe the older A40 labeled versions are 5.1 simulated, while the "Pro" moniker has simulated 7.1... not that there's any real world difference between the two. Comparing the 7.1 Pro version to the 5.1 AX decoder box, I hear little to no difference in sound, only in floor/white noise.

It's the same exact processing. Astro decided to lie about it and call it 7.1 because simulated surround is simulated. There are zero speaker cues on Dolby Headphone. The sound literally comes from all directions. They could call it 20.1 surround, and they wouldn't be wrong, though technically it's still a signal processed from 5.1 (as SPDIF only does 5.1 or less).

Marketing hyperbole. You should be used to this by now. Beats and Monster are notorious for this. Astro seems to have joined.

The Mixamp Pro is PRO, because it has the most inputs, the least noise floor, etc. It's still the same wired Mixamp from 2010.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/2/12 at 5:00pm
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Lol @ the marketing! Though I guess that's where its heading, with all of the major headset makers (Tritton/Madcatz, Turtlebeach, ect) moving towards "7.1", with no real changes or improvements in sound.
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


It's the same exact processing. Astro decided to lie about it and call it 7.1 because simulated surround is simulated. There are zero speaker cues on Dolby Headphone. The sound literally comes from all directions. They could call it 20.1 surround, and they wouldn't be wrong, though technically it's still a signal processed from 5.1 (as SPDIF only does 5.1 or less).
Marketing hyperbole. You should be used to this by now. Beats and Monster are notorious for this. Astro seems to have joined.
The Mixamp Pro is PRO, because it has the most inputs, the least noise floor, etc. It's still the same wired Mixamp from 2010.

Thanks for the help Mad Lust, any idea of the difference in SQ between the 2? How much more would you say the Pro is worth than the 2010 version? Or is it so negligible either one will suffice?

 

Thanks again!

-Erik

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Sigh... I have already said, they are the EXACT same, all they did was change the name. Pre-2010 Mixamp had different aesthetics, that's it. They all use Dolby Headphone 2.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/2/12 at 5:37pm
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Thanks, that's reassuring! I'm think I'm going to take a leap of faith and trust you on this :)

 

I don't think I need the other output channels as I'll only be plugging the headphones, there is nothing else I have to plug in. In this case, which of the two do you think scales the best with the DT770 and the O2 amp? Will it make a difference?

 

Well, it's really not worth it for the titanium as I can get it at a fair price here, but the E9 would have been interesting since I was thinking about other sound cards. I'm just very afraid of the customs, from what I have read if it's not a big transporter like UPS/Fedex, there is a fair chance to go through untaxed... but otherwise it can be easily 30% of US price + 20 to 50€. Also, no way for me to use the warranty in case something happens (I've got a huge history of bad luck with hardware :P).

 

But anyway, if I get the Titanium, I think I'll better keep to the O2 as I'll be using it for both PC and Xbox extensively. I was quite hyped from reading about this amp, sound definitely superior so I'll stick to it. But thanks again for the offer, and your advices. You're a huge help!

 

I think the Titanium HD will scale better, if you can afford it. Better analog output (and thus a better DAC), after all. Of course, you could potentially get even better sound quality with a dedicated DAC that has S/PDIF input (thus making the sound card difference largely irrelevant), but now you're looking at spending at least US$300, probably over $500...all for just a DAC. At that point, the Titanium HD starts looking quite affordable.

 

I ship overseas via USPS because they're not stupidly overpriced. It takes a while, but they generally deliver. Also, there are the usual "declare gift + low value" tricks. Still, if warranty is a concern, you could very well be much better off buying locally.

 

I do what I can to help around here. It's why I wrote that guide, among other things.

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-nevermind-


Edited by Eric_C - 10/2/12 at 7:55pm
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XD
Hopefully our little burrito won't ask the same question again.

I'm not digging on you, Eric_C, it's just that burrito is failing to comprehend that we've told him in 5 different ways that the Mixamp is a very capable device, and just repeats the question. It takes 2 seconds to find the info he's looking for via google search (which I proved in the hyperlink of my last reply to him), or if he stumbled on this thread he might've at least had the respect to read the guide that Mad put a lot of effort into, but instead he's basically been trolling us for 2 days.

It's a face-palm.

/rant
Edited by Evshrug - 10/2/12 at 8:13pm
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Sorry
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Sorry
Edited by Evshrug - 10/2/12 at 8:04pm
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Sorry everyone, I have to use a phone hotspot to get Internet right now, and I knew it was bad... but I didn't think it would make a QUAD-post!

Just to say again Eric_C, I don't think you did anything wrong by trying to be helpful, I just was asking we try not to feed the trolls... Instead, I feel like a troll now, I'm sorry. It wasn't meant to sound like a personal attack.
Edited by Evshrug - 10/2/12 at 8:24pm
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Evshrug: sorry, thought I'd give more info. Ehhh you went and replied me 3x!

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Double post.

Edited by burritoboy9984 - 10/2/12 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


It's the same exact processing. Astro decided to lie about it and call it 7.1 because simulated surround is simulated. There are zero speaker cues on Dolby Headphone. The sound literally comes from all directions. They could call it 20.1 surround, and they wouldn't be wrong, though technically it's still a signal processed from 5.1 (as SPDIF only does 5.1 or less).
Marketing hyperbole. You should be used to this by now. Beats and Monster are notorious for this. Astro seems to have joined.
The Mixamp Pro is PRO, because it has the most inputs, the least noise floor, etc. It's still the same wired Mixamp from 2010.

 

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Originally Posted by burritoboy9984 View Post

Thanks for the help Mad Lust, any idea of the difference in SQ between the 2? How much more would you say the Pro is worth than the 2010 version? Or is it so negligible either one will suffice?

 

Thanks again!

-Erik

 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Sigh... I have already said, they are the EXACT same, all they did was change the name. Pre-2010 Mixamp had different aesthetics, that's it. They all use Dolby Headphone 2.

In the quote above, you said they have more inputs and the least floor noise. That is why I asked again. Which is it? Are they the "EXACT" same, or do they have more inputs and less floor noise? I'm not trying to stir the pot, just trying to figure out which is the best to buy, and you contradicted yourself, leaving doubt. BTW, I read your entire guide and purchased PC360's and a pair of AD700's. Thanks again for all your hard work and info.

 


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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

XD
Hopefully our little burrito won't ask the same question again.
I'm not digging on you, Eric_C, it's just that burrito is failing to comprehend that we've told him in 5 different ways that the Mixamp is a very capable device, and just repeats the question. It takes 2 seconds to find the info he's looking for via google search (which I proved in the hyperlink of my last reply to him), or if he stumbled on this thread he might've at least had the respect to read the guide that Mad put a lot of effort into, but instead he's basically been trolling us for 2 days.
It's a face-palm.
/rant
 
Not trolling, he contradicted himself and I'm just trying to find out the differences. See above. Also, just to add, you hyperlink is false info as above Mad already stated there were differences between 2010 and the current model.
 
-Erik

Edited by burritoboy9984 - 10/2/12 at 8:56pm
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I don't see any contradictions in MLE's posts.

The MixAmp uses the same processing. Processing (in this case, the way virtual surround is achieved) is independent of noise floor.

In any case, isn't all this discussion of old vs new MixAmp just academic? How are you able to get your hands on the old MixAmps?

 

The MixAmp Pro is a good device. If you want virtual surround on consoles and need chat, get it. There is no other viable option that I can think of.

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