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post #25696 of 26198
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What I want to know, is what happens when say... a game runs at 32fps. I mean, I'm still not convinced that the display is matching such a low fps, since even on an LCD, that can't possibly be a comfortable refresh for our eyes. This is why is still believe it is doubling such a low framerate and running the refresh at 64hz instead.
post #25697 of 26198
I've got a challenge for you all. Help me find a headphone with these requirements wink.gif

I am looking for a gaming headphone that is great for open world games. I want the world to feel really open like I'm really there. I want to hear wind and rain beautifully with crickets in the background and wildlife sounds like birds etc. I want the sounds to be natural and of good quality. I'm an open world and RPG lover so it's mainly towards those types of games. My ideal sound would basically need to replicate air, like I mentioned being in an open field of Forrest and nothing but pure air and a Pureness to the sound as you would expect outside.

I want full immersion and every sound to be appreciated. I have a Mixamp pro and console. Soundstage needs to really large. I've been looking at the

K712
Q701
HD600

How are these for my uses?

Please help me smily_headphones1.gif

Thanks!
post #25698 of 26198
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Originally Posted by RyanDJ1 View Post

I've got a challenge for you all. Help me find a headphone with these requirements wink.gif

I am looking for a gaming headphone that is great for open world games. I want the world to feel really open like I'm really there. I want to hear wind and rain beautifully with crickets in the background and wildlife sounds like birds etc. I want the sounds to be natural and of good quality. I'm an open world and RPG lover so it's mainly towards those types of games. My ideal sound would basically need to replicate air, like I mentioned being in an open field of Forrest and nothing but pure air and a Pureness to the sound as you would expect outside.

I want full immersion and every sound to be appreciated. I have a Mixamp pro and console. Soundstage needs to really large. I've been looking at the

K712
Q701
HD600

How are these for my uses?

Please help me smily_headphones1.gif

Thanks!

Take this for what it's worth considering I only have heard (and currently own) the q701s. Soundstage is going to be pretty good with all of those headphones. The Q's are very detailed and spacious, and if you want a more "immersive" experience and add a bit more bass you could always do one of the many simple mods that are reversible and add a bit more bass. They do benefit from an amp but since it sounds like you are only playing single player games for the most part your mixamp should be fine to drive them.

I'm sure someone else with a bit more expertise with the other headphones will be able to provide you with a bit more insight.
post #25699 of 26198
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Originally Posted by RyanDJ1 View Post

I've got a challenge for you all. Help me find a headphone with these requirements wink.gif

I am looking for a gaming headphone that is great for open world games. I want the world to feel really open like I'm really there. I want to hear wind and rain beautifully with crickets in the background and wildlife sounds like birds etc. I want the sounds to be natural and of good quality. I'm an open world and RPG lover so it's mainly towards those types of games. My ideal sound would basically need to replicate air, like I mentioned being in an open field of Forrest and nothing but pure air and a Pureness to the sound as you would expect outside.

I want full immersion and every sound to be appreciated. I have a Mixamp pro and console. Soundstage needs to really large. I've been looking at the

K712
Q701
HD600

How are these for my uses?

Please help me smily_headphones1.gif

Thanks!

 

From your list the K712 would be the best at what you're wanting as long as you have a good amp to drive it. I personally would scratch off the HD600 if you're looking for a big, spacious airy sound. They have a decent soundstage but it's not as big as the K712's or even the Q701's going off memory. The HD600 has a nice and thick sound so some of the macro details in games can get lost. The HD600 is incredible for immersion, don't get that wrong. But I don't feel that it's as big of a sound as the other two you've considered.

 

Edit: I spent many hours in Skyrim using the HD650. Immersion was wonderful but the soundstage wasn't super large when using Dolby Headphone and positional queues could have been better to add to the realism.


Edited by AxelCloris - 8/27/14 at 1:37pm
post #25700 of 26198
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The Q701, K612 would be my recommendations. Or a Stax SR407 if you could afford Stax. It's treble is... just otherworldy. So crisp, so vibrant, without the tizziness of standard bright headphones.

I think the K712 is a bit too warm to represent what he is asking for, though buying K702 pads and using them on the 712 would be ideal.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 8/27/14 at 1:40pm
post #25701 of 26198
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Originally Posted by RyanDJ1 View Post

I've got a challenge for you all. Help me find a headphone with these requirements wink.gif

I am looking for a gaming headphone that is great for open world games. I want the world to feel really open like I'm really there. I want to hear wind and rain beautifully with crickets in the background and wildlife sounds like birds etc. I want the sounds to be natural and of good quality. I'm an open world and RPG lover so it's mainly towards those types of games. My ideal sound would basically need to replicate air, like I mentioned being in an open field of Forrest and nothing but pure air and a Pureness to the sound as you would expect outside.

I want full immersion and every sound to be appreciated. I have a Mixamp pro and console. Soundstage needs to really large. I've been looking at the

K712
Q701
HD600

How are these for my uses?

Please help me smily_headphones1.gif

Thanks!

I hate to say it, since so many people here love DH, but if you don't want your nature and crickets to sound like they're in a bathroom, I suggest you get a Recon.  I don't mind DH and you get used to the weird reverb after a while, but it's definitely there.  If you want the most natural nature sounds, the reverb has got to go.

 

Regarding your headphones, It'd say grab an AKG and an amp.  I <3 my Q701 and the K712 is supposed to sound even better if you can afford it.

post #25702 of 26198
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The Q701, K612 would be my recommendations. Or a Stax SR407 if you could afford Stax. It's treble is... just otherworldy. So crisp, so vibrant, without the tizziness of standard bright headphones.

I think the K712 is a bit too warm to represent what he is asking for, though buying K702 pads and using them on the 712 would be ideal.

Oh Mad, you'd love the 560... The 400i is letting me down a bit in the treble [the lack of air is really hurting it sometimes]. The bass difference between the two is also pretty small... I think I might prefer the 560 because you get more texture, detail and depth in exchange for a bit less punch...

Both amazing headphones at their respectable MSRPs...

Regardless, I haven't heard the LCD-2/HE-400, but the 560/400i will not probably give you that kind of bass presence, I am afraid...

 

This is just a taste of what's coming in the fully-fledged comparison :)

post #25703 of 26198
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

Oh Mad, you'd love the 560... The 400i is letting me down a bit in the treble [the lack of air is really hurting it sometimes]. The bass difference between the two is also pretty small... I think I might prefer the 560 because you get more texture, detail and depth in exchange for a bit less punch...

Both amazing headphones at their respectable MSRPs...

Regardless, I haven't heard the LCD-2/HE-400, but the 560/400i will not probably give you that kind of bass presence, I am afraid...

 

This is just a taste of what's coming in the fully-fledged comparison :)

 

I too prefer the 560 from what I head in Chicago. Granted it was before the 400i was completely finalized but it was close to the end of development, so that could change my opinions. I preferred the lowered bass of the 560 because it allowed the mids to come through better and the detail in the treble range was a noticeable improvement. At that time the 400i was just a bit too "fun" for my tastes. I'll have to hear a production version to see if that holds true. The 400i also seemed a tad more sibilant than the 560 when I compared them side-by-side.

post #25704 of 26198
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Originally Posted by AxelCloris View Post

I too prefer the 560 from what I head in Chicago. Granted it was before the 400i was completely finalized but it was close to the end of development, so that could change my opinions. I preferred the lowered bass of the 560 because it allowed the mids to come through better and the detail in the treble range was a noticeable improvement. At that time the 400i was just a bit too "fun" for my tastes. I'll have to hear a production version to see if that holds true. The 400i also seemed a tad more sibilant than the 560 when I compared them side-by-side.

Yup, the treble is more subdued but there's a certain range (might be upper midrange) that might cause some hardness or harshness.
I'll say that the key advantagesthe 560 has is naturalness, openness and effortlessnes.
Sometimes the 400i mids might be a bit too shouty, some instruments (guitar, violin, piano,...) might lack that air as they linger in the air less. The bass might mask that tiny bit of detail, the treble could use a bit more presence or the soundstage might feel a bit cramped...
Mind you, it is not nowhere near to a point that'd deter just in direct comparison.
The 560 is just that more expensive, polished ruby,while the 400i is just that ruby with a few rough edges, albeit cheaper.
Both deserve praise for what they do brilliantly and I'd recommend both in a heart beat (even for gaming), the 400i is a really good value IMO.it still totally destroys most if not all the competition, although the soundstage is definitely on the smaller size.
More detailed comparisons coming later smily_headphones1.gif
post #25705 of 26198
Thread Starter 
No, no. I prefer less treble nowadays. I'm simply saying if expansive, airy soundstage is a must, good treble is helpful. I'm sure the 560 beats the 400i in that regard. That being said, I prefer a softer, more intimate approach to my headphones nowadays for my music, as in bass and mids THEN treble. Virtual surround takes care of soundstage deficiencies for movie/gaming use, enough for me anyways.

I'm 100% positive I'd prefer the 400i over the 560, same way i prefer the Mad Dog over the Alpha Dog, despite knowing the Alpha Dog is better overall. It's also the reaosn I prefer the Annie over the K712. The Annie is more intimate, while the K712 has more soundstage and airiness at the expense of a little body and forwardness.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 8/27/14 at 4:11pm
post #25706 of 26198
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

No, no. I prefer less treble nowadays. I'm simply saying if expansive, airy soundstage is a must, good treble is helpful. I'm sure the 560 beats the 400i in that regard. That being said, I prefer a softer, more intimate approach to my headphones nowadays for my music, as in bass and mids THEN treble. Virtual surround takes care of soundstage deficiencies for movie/gaming use, enough for me anyways.

I'm 100% positive I'd prefer the 400i over the 560, same way i prefer the Mad Dog over the Alpha Dog, despite knowing the Alpha Dog is better overall. It's also the reaosn I prefer the Annie over the K712. The Annie is more intimate, while the K712 has more soundstage and airiness at the expense of a little body and forwardness.

Very well. Then I guess you're set... They're brilliant headphones still, so you'll definitely love them.
Everyone will.
Can't go wrong really.
post #25707 of 26198

Nevermind, I got too excited and forgot about the lack of AC3 input.  

 

 

 

"SBX Pro Studio can be switched off, when listening to high-quality lossless audio, so that you may get to enjoy the songs unprocessed, in the way you desire."

 

OPTICAL IN!

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/732171/creative-sound-blaster-e5-headphone-amp-usb-dac-with-otg-toslink-aptx-recording-more#post_10830957

 


Edited by Fegefeuer - 8/28/14 at 4:39am
post #25708 of 26198
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So, it's still useless for console gamers? BAD FORM, Creative. WOW. I was about to sing Hallelujah...
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 8/28/14 at 8:28am
post #25709 of 26198
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Originally Posted by RyanDJ1 View Post

I want full immersion and every sound to be appreciated. I have a Mix-amp pro and console. Sound stage needs to really large. I've been looking at the
K712
Q701
HD600
How are these for my uses?

Please help me smily_headphones1.gif
Thanks!

 

I really doubt the Mix-amp will be able to fully drive the 300-Ohm HD600, without also getting a dedicated headphone amplifier to daisy chain off the Mix-amp.

post #25710 of 26198
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Originally Posted by RyanDJ1 View Post

I want full immersion and every sound to be appreciated. I have a Mixamp pro and console. Soundstage needs to really large. I've been looking at the


Please help me smily_headphones1.gif

Thanks!

 

for just gaming, (without an amp) I d just take something like ma900,hd598, if you need more immersion you can try Fidelio X1..   something like hd600 could be an overkill for just gaming imo..

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