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post #25501 of 26101
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Originally Posted by Yethal View Post
 

The Video You posted is a binaural recording made using a dummy head with microphones inside them that record the sound the way human ears do, it has nothing to do with game's positional audio. Both Battlefield and Call of Duty have good audio engines and render great positional surround sound (by that I mean actual 5.1 or 7.1 speakers), we just take that signal and output it to our headphones. If You really believe that virtual surround is just a gimmick then I'm afraid You're in a wrong place altogether.

I only linked the video to prove you could hear surround even when you only have a stereo source. It's all in the way the sound is coded and in CS:GO, you can hear surround in headphone or stereo mode and it's very accurate. Also, using virtual surround you can have delay during the calculation required to output the 5.1 to stereo and you can also have errors in the calculation or so I read. Correct me if I'm wrong.

post #25502 of 26101
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post

^When are you supposed to be receiving the HP200?

 

I should hear something today or tomorrow on shipping. Looking forward to hearing them. Current impressions of the EROS v2, buy a Monoprice 8323 and a BoomPro for $53.97 instead; $21.02 less than the MRSP of the GAMDIAS headset.

 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Destiny actually gets a LOT of hates on forums for being a glorified Halo with Borderlands system. I've seen it mentioned so much. To be fair, gameplay is exactly like Halo, but in a new loot based system. Bungie could've turned this into a Halo spinoff in the Halo universe, and no one would've batted an eyelash. The core Halo gameplay is there. Not that it's a bad thing. I prefer the Destiny Beta over all the other Halo games. I think the loot based exploration works for the big maps that Halo is known to have. Halo campaigns don't really do it for me, though the gameplay was always solid.

I have a thing for loot based action games. I'm anticipating getting Diablo III for PS4 once I have nothing to do. I sunk in 40+ hours on Dragon's Crown in a few weeks, because it was a fun loot based action game.

I would've liked Borderlands too, but the game is very punishing if you try to play alone, and when you DO play with others, they tend to be overpowered and carry you through all the missions. If I can't play the game alone well enough, I don't wanna play it. I don't trust randoms, and my schedule doesn't permit me to play with friends all that often.

If Castlevania: Harmony of Despair made it on the PS4... goodbye world. I would sink 300+ hours without issues.

Anyways, If it's popular, people are gonna find reasons to hate it. That's just how hipster bandwagons are.

 

I liked Halo and I absolutely adored Borderlands 2. Should Destiny be successful at taking parts that I loved from both and successfully sequence them into a single game then I am going to poop rainbows. No exaggeration, that will actually happen.

post #25503 of 26101
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Originally Posted by djodars View Post
 

I only linked the video to prove you could hear surround even when you only have a stereo source. It's all in the way the sound is coded and in CS:GO, you can hear surround in headphone or stereo mode and it's very accurate. Also, using virtual surround you can have delay during the calculation required to output the 5.1 to stereo and you can also have errors in the calculation or so I read. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yup but it is a prerecorded video, that's why no special hardware is required to hear positional cues. There is no delay involved in sound processing, at least not big enough for human brain to notice. Well, the best advice for You would probably be to borrow an internal or external soundcard, or find somebody in Your area who has such a device and hear for yourself. I don't see any other way. Also a nice DAC/AMP never hurts

post #25504 of 26101
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He doesn't seem to understand virtual surround, binaural, and stereo differences, at all. Lol. I'd just leave him alone. All the examples were given to him, but he still thinks a binaural recording is comparable to what a plain 2 channel source does.

Binaural, AND VIRTUAL SURROUND ARE BOTH fed to a 2 channel device.... HEADPHONES.

I can literally pre-record a virtual surround demo, and it'd be no diferent than a pre-recorded binaural video. Neither a reflective on what is possible with just a 2 channel source.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 8/18/14 at 1:39pm
post #25505 of 26101

To put it easily

 

Virtual Surround = Stereo + magic

post #25506 of 26101

Well, I returned from Gamescom today and was disappointed that Turtle Beach had NO DH-X products at the show...

Good experience it was, though I didn't get to try any of the interesting, playable demos as Destiny, Bloodborne, The Order and all the other interesting IPs had a 2 - 5 hour long line of people [or were closed for other visitors for the day, as the line was already just enormous].... Yep, there were signs with estimated waiting times :blink: 


Edited by conquerator2 - 8/18/14 at 1:43pm
post #25507 of 26101
Thread Starter 
If binaural was a thing for gaming, virtual surround alternatives, wouldn't be necessary. But binaural + games are extremely rare, which is WHY we use virtual surround. You're not going to get anywhere NEAR what binaural or virtual surround does by standard 2 channel sources.
post #25508 of 26101
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

Well, I returned from Gamescom today and was disappointed that Turtle Beach had NO DH-X products at the show...

Good experience it was, though I didn't get to try any of the interesting, playable demos as Destiny, Bloodborne, The Order and all the other interesting IPs had a 2 - 5 hour long line of people [or were closed for other visitors for the day, as the line was already just enormous].... Yep, there were signs with estimated waiting times :blink: 

Yeah, I've given up trying to demo any of the new exciting games at PAX.  I just don't really care to stand in 2-hour lines when there's so many other cool things to do.  I'll be at PAX Prime in a couple weeks, maybe TB will have something there...

post #25509 of 26101

I did a blind test, literally, where I closed my eyes and would try and line my crosshair up to something in game making a a sound and with the Xonar and Creative sound cards I found the surround sound and accuracy to be very good. The sound cards did a great job and I'm very happy I got one. I do the test with my eyes close to make it objective and it was very cool to see just how good it was. 

post #25510 of 26101
Thread Starter 
Like I have said before:

If I had to make strict choice to LIVE with, with no other possible outcomes, beween a top of the line headphone like an HD800/Stax Omega, with stereo, or a $15 KSC75 with a virtual surround device, I would choose the latter, every single time. I wouldn't think twice either.
post #25511 of 26101

Hey guys, first time poster, long time lurker.

I Recently upgraded my sound card from the recon3d to a SB ZXR.  I have only just started to notice that I was not getting surround and with this new card, I am hearing a lot more.  I use ATH M50s and they are alright but I am starting to see their limits in a gaming capacity.  I here the directional audio but with the M50s it seems like there is not much space between the directions or that the sound if too close to my ears.  Also they get uncomfortable after long use.

 

So after reading Mad Lust's list I saw two pairs of cans that stuck out the most for a good balance between fun and competitive - the DT990 and the AKG k712 Pros

 

Both of these headphones seem to still have a low end without giving up the directional audio

 

Price wise I have seen both of these pairs on amazon for around $350-$380

 

I found a the DT990 600 Ohms (which is the version I want) for $229 on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BeyerDynamic-DT-990-Premium-Headphones-600-OHM-/311002618844?pt=US_Headphones&hash=item4869335bdc

 

The price is good but if the K712 are better then I'll swing that way

 

Hopefully you guys havesome tips for me.  Thanks!

post #25512 of 26101

Hey guys, first time poster, long time lurker.

I Recently upgraded my sound card from the recon3d to a SB ZXR.  I have only just started to notice that I was not getting surround and with this new card, I am hearing a lot more.  I use ATH M50s and they are alright but I am starting to see their limits in a gaming capacity.  I here the directional audio but with the M50s it seems like there is not much space between the directions or that the sound if too close to my ears.  Also they get uncomfortable after long use.

 

So after reading Mad Lust's list I saw two pairs of cans that stuck out the most for a good balance between fun and competitive - the DT990 and the AKG k712 Pros

 

Both of these headphones seem to still have a low end without giving up the directional audio

 

Price wise I have seen both of these pairs on amazon for around $350-$380

 

I found a the DT990 600 Ohms (which is the version I want) for $229 on ebay

 

 

The price is good but if the K712 are better then I'll swing that way

 

Hopefully you guys havesome tips for me.  Thanks!

post #25513 of 26101

I love 600 ohms beyers, but they are hard to drive, if you are not willing to put some extra money on amplification, you will be better with the AKG's.

post #25514 of 26101

So, based on your list and my current budget I'm debating between the Creative Aurvana Live ($68 Amazon) or Ultrasone HFI-15G ($89 Amazon) and also these two others that aren't in the list TRITTON 720+ ($85 Amazon) and Creative WP-380 ($85 Amazon).

 

The WP-380 option would double as a bluetooth headset for my phone and some reviewers said it sound similar to the CAL.

As for the Tritton's people say its overpriced like razer or beats but for this price it seems to be a good deal and looks nice too.

 

Things to consider for me: I have a pretty big head, the headset im using right now (Microsoft LX-3000) barely fit me at the max size. I will use mainly for gaming and listening to music on my desktop. I need it to have low sound leak but still want to hear some outside noise if people try to talk to me. As for the microphone i would use Zalman ZM-MIC1 that straps on the headphone cable.

post #25515 of 26101
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Originally Posted by Dblupletch View Post
 

Hey guys, first time poster, long time lurker.

I Recently upgraded my sound card from the recon3d to a SB ZXR.  I have only just started to notice that I was not getting surround and with this new card, I am hearing a lot more.  I use ATH M50s and they are alright but I am starting to see their limits in a gaming capacity.  I here the directional audio but with the M50s it seems like there is not much space between the directions or that the sound if too close to my ears.  Also they get uncomfortable after long use.

So after reading Mad Lust's list I saw two pairs of cans that stuck out the most for a good balance between fun and competitive - the DT990 and the AKG k712 Pros

Both of these headphones seem to still have a low end without giving up the directional audio

Price wise I have seen both of these pairs on amazon for around $350-$380

I found a the DT990 600 Ohms (which is the version I want) for $229 on ebay

The price is good but if the K712 are better then I'll swing that way

Hopefully you guys have some tips for me.  Thanks!

 

Did you disable the motherboard's on-board audio? in the BIOS.

Did you completely remove the Creative Recon3D software, before installing the newer Creative SBX software?

Might consider getting the DT880 Pro 250-Ohm headphones, more "balanced" sound then the DT990 and 250-Ohm headphone are a little easier for the SB-ZxR to drive.

Used DT880s start at $156.50

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beyerdynamic-DT-880-PRO-Headband-Headphones-Silver-Black-/321492295369?pt=US_DJ_Monitoring_Headphones&hash=item4ada6f1ec9

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