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Originally Posted by Yethal View Post

Why DTS all of a sudden? Set Your console to dolby digital, asus cards decode it afaik, just find one with optical in. If You want to go hdmi route You can just use 7.1 lpcm and derive virtual surround from this (marantz receivers can do this, I don't know if there are any other devices on the market that can too)
Pretty sure Asus only accepts stereo input through Optical too. Pretty much the only way I can think of is an Elgato capture card or something, but basically using a PC to do console stuff is really impractical.

Receivers with surround encoding (some older Denon's and Kenwoods had DH too, Yamaha's silent cinema is nearly as good as DH) would allow DTS or DDL surround decoding, but that's not really a big deal unless you have an XBO or Wii U
post #24512 of 26211
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Originally Posted by imac2much View Post

Oh man, just what I need: more options! :P
**Hey, I think we forgot to say the traditional welcome: "Welcome to Head-Fi, sorry about your wallet!"**

I had no idea that the Omni had a better amp than both E17 and U3.  Is the DAC better as well?  
**The U3 is good for gamers who want the cheapest way to get surround processing to their high-end optical DAC. Also, the E17 is useful for it's versatility and how many things it can connect to... but Omni is my computer gaming champ right now smily_headphones1.gif Did I mention that it has a Mac OSX native software suite, so you can get surround for Mac as well?**

Btw, I haven't heard an E17, I like FiiO products but the Omni has better tech specs.


So now I'm looking at the K612 and K712 as well.  K612 is the cheapest option of the ones I've looked at (x1, HP100, HP200, K545) and seems to have really good reviews.  From what I can tell, the 612 has good sound but flatter bass than the 712... and it also has less comfort and lack of detachable cable than its bigger brother.  How does it compare with the x1?
**I haven't heard the X1 to be honest... K712 has more of a clean midbass hump than the K612, but the K612 has deeper sub-bass extension. Honestly closer than their price difference belies, the main benefit of the K712 is the detachable cables, deeper Earpads of memory foam (nice but not crucial), more premium headband leather (no comfort difference IMO), and a little detail refinement. For first nice headphone I'd just get the K612, you can upgrade it with an amp and new pads later if you want. If you need closed headphones... Well, I don't end up needing them, so I defer to others' opinions. Any headphone will end up uncomfortable during the flight between USA & China, lol.

Btw, the AKG pads are super easy to change, you just twist them off like a bottle cap. I also put up a live practical demo comparing headphone leak on my YouTube channel, also user Evshrug**

Edited by Evshrug - 7/10/14 at 9:22pm
post #24513 of 26211
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Originally Posted by imac2much View Post
 

Oh man, just what I need: more options! :P

In all seriousness, I really appreciate your feedback, as I want to make a good purchase that I hopefully won't need to upgrade for a while.  I had no idea that the Omni had a better amp than both E17 and U3.  Is the DAC better as well?  If the Omni can easily drive the AKG K612 and K712, I'll need to look into it a bit more.  I'm getting my U3 + Astro A50 in the mail tomorrow or Saturday (that I stupidly purchased on ebay for cheap before reading this thread), so I was thinking of getting a E17 to complement it... but if Omni can provide, amp, DAC and surround in one solution (and cheaper than E17), perhaps I should look into that after all.  Now what to do with this U3... at least the A50 will be easy to craigslist for gamers who don't know any better (like me last week) :)

 

So now I'm looking at the K612 and K712 as well.  K612 is the cheapest option of the ones I've looked at (x1, HP100, HP200, K545) and seems to have really good reviews.  From what I can tell, the 612 has good sound but flatter bass than the 712... and it also has less comfort and lack of detachable cable than its bigger brother.  How does it compare with the x1?

 

edit: and I just saw some Sony MA-900 for a decent price on auction, so I wonder if those are good too... wow, too many options! I probably won't bite on these though as they look super fragile and they would probably snap on the way to China, haha :)

I'd say your logic on the Omni is spot on.  It's a great solution for PC gaming.  The DAC is (in my experience) as good as the Schiit Modi, which costs $100 on its own and is very highly regarded on Head-fi.

 

And Evs is right, I was perfectly happy with my Q701 and just the Omni.  It's just that it sounded even better once I got an amp too.  Think of it (any of those AKG's) as a great-sounding headphone with room to grow when you're ready to spend more.

 

I've never heard the MA-900, but everyone raves about them.  They're supposed to be super comfortable.  If you can get one cheaper than a K612, that's pretty tempting.

 

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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post


**I haven't heard the X1 to be honest... K712 has more of a clean midbass hump than the K612, but the K612 has deeper sub-bass extension. Honestly closer than their price difference belies, the main benefit of the K712 is the detachable cables, deeper Earpads of memory foam (nice but not crucial), more premium headband leather (no comfort difference IMO), and a little detail refinement. For first nice headphone I'd just get the K612, you can upgrade it with an amp and new pads later if you want. If you need closed headphones... Well, I don't end up needing them, so I defer to others' opinions. Any headphone will end up uncomfortable during the flight between USA & China, lol.

Btw, the AKG pads are super easy to change, you just twist them off like a bottle cap. I also put up a live practical demo comparing headphone leak on my YouTube channel, also user Evshrug**

 

Evs has been at this way longer than I have.  He was the one helping me when I was making my first purchasing decision.  I defer to his judgement if he thinks the K612 is the way to go.  Lots of people love it in this thread and it's sort of become the "budget" champion on here.  I'm really going to have to listen to one some day... 

 

Anyways, based on what I know of the K612 vs the Q701 and my experience with the X1, I'd say the K612 is probably a better bang for the buck.  I'm using transitive property here:  People say the K612 is on par with the Q701 sound (some people like it better) and I thought the Q701 sounded better than the X1.  So yeah, there you go.

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Originally Posted by Yethal View Post

Why DTS all of a sudden? Set Your console to dolby digital, asus cards decode it afaik, just find one with optical in. If You want to go hdmi route You can just use 7.1 lpcm and derive virtual surround from this (marantz receivers can do this, I don't know if there are any other devices on the market that can too)

 

No sound cards decode Dolby Digital or DTS on their S/PDIF inputs, to my knowledge. Certainly not any PCIe ones. If they get anything other than PCM on those inputs, all you'll hear is silence.

 

Believe me, people have tried, even resorting to AC3Filter and other utilities. It either doesn't work or has such a hideous amount of latency that it's unsuitable for gaming. Right now, you just can't replace a Mixamp sort of device using a PC.

 

It's probably that neither Dolby nor DTS would license such a feature, probably out of fear of piracy or something else stupid.

 

Now, if audio capture and recording wasn't necessary, an AVR with Dolby Headphone would suffice, but that's a lot of bulk and weight for something that's only going to be used with headphones. Really, I'd prefer just a cleaner Mixamp sort of device with an HDMI input in addition to the usual S/PDIF.

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Originally Posted by NamelessPFG View Post
 

 

No sound cards decode Dolby Digital or DTS on their S/PDIF inputs, to my knowledge. Certainly not any PCIe ones. If they get anything other than PCM on those inputs, all you'll hear is silence.

 

Believe me, people have tried, even resorting to AC3Filter and other utilities. It either doesn't work or has such a hideous amount of latency that it's unsuitable for gaming. Right now, you just can't replace a Mixamp sort of device using a PC.

 

It's probably that neither Dolby nor DTS would license such a feature, probably out of fear of piracy or something else stupid.

 

Now, if audio capture and recording wasn't necessary, an AVR with Dolby Headphone would suffice, but that's a lot of bulk and weight for something that's only going to be used with headphones. Really, I'd prefer just a cleaner Mixamp sort of device with an HDMI input in addition to the usual S/PDIF.

Sorry, I was wrong, thanks for correcting my mistake

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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

On a budget, that deal you went for was a no-brainer! However... Long term, I'd still want the K612 wink.gif

I am little short on the money right now so anything pricier just wasn't an option, I'll probably go with AKG per everyone's suggestion but I'm not entirely sold on the AKG's headband. the 598s are so comfy, it would be tough to beat them in that category.


Edited by Yethal - 7/11/14 at 5:03am
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post


**I haven't heard the X1 to be honest... K712 has more of a clean midbass hump than the K612, but the K612 has deeper sub-bass extension. Honestly closer than their price difference belies, the main benefit of the K712 is the detachable cables, deeper Earpads of memory foam (nice but not crucial), more premium headband leather (no comfort difference IMO), and a little detail refinement. For first nice headphone I'd just get the K612, you can upgrade it with an amp and new pads later if you want. If you need closed headphones... Well, I don't end up needing them, so I defer to others' opinions. Any headphone will end up uncomfortable during the flight between USA & China, lol.

Thanks for your advice!  I did check out your video on YT and I'm amazed how little sound leakage open headphones actually give.  I'm eyeing the K612 now as well, though I think I'd need a better DAC/Amp than my U3 (so I will either get the Omni for all purpose PC usage, or the E17 so I can use that with my iPhone as well).  As for headphones, at this point I'm just looking for a good deal, so I'll probably snag any of the following if I can find a good deal : K612, HP100, HP200, or x1 :)

 

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Originally Posted by Stillhart View Post
 

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Thanks again, Stillhart!  I feel like I cannot go wrong with any of these headphones.  I'm a bit upset that I didn't see this thread earlier this year when I could have potentially bought the x1 new for $150 on Amazon, haha.  Either way, I am just looking for a good deal on one of these, and if no deals surface, I will probably get the k612 and an E17/Omni since it seems to give me the most "bang for my buck."  :)

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The akg550 have come right down in price in my local hifi shop, only a hundred quid. i think I will buy a pair and try them for gaming..if they are any good I will buy the mix amp for them!

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My akg q701 headphones came today they sound and feel great compared to my superlux 668b.
I tryed them with just the mixamp and had to turn mixamp to around 90% I without the mic on so they denffenetly need more juice! my superlux with mic was only at around 60-70%.

So what amp should I get seen quite a few around the £100 price fillo e9 schiit magni, schiit vali and the O2 are they the 4 main amps in that price range ? And what will go best with q701 I will be using the astro mixamp pro plus a blue snowball mic and only play on ps4.
post #24519 of 26211
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Originally Posted by G3org3 View Post

My akg q701 headphones came today they sound and feel great compared to my superlux 668b.
I tryed them with just the mixamp and had to turn mixamp to around 90% I without the mic on so they denffenetly need more juice! my superlux with mic was only at around 60-70%.

So what amp should I get seen quite a few around the £100 price fillo e9 schiit magni, schiit vali and the O2 are they the 4 main amps in that price range ? And what will go best with q701 I will be using the astro mixamp pro plus a blue snowball mic and only play on ps4.

 

A lot of people like the Vali on the Q701 thread, but the Magni, or O2 would also work nicely. 

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Is the O2 amp a desktop amp ? I'm not wanting a amp I need to charge
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Originally Posted by G3org3 View Post

Is the O2 amp a desktop amp ? I'm not wanting a amp I need to charge

Yes, it can be a desktop amp. The Q701 appreciation thread can be of better help I'm sure. 

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Originally Posted by G3org3 View Post

My akg q701 headphones came today they sound and feel great compared to my superlux 668b.
I tryed them with just the mixamp and had to turn mixamp to around 90% I without the mic on so they denffenetly need more juice! my superlux with mic was only at around 60-70%.

So what amp should I get seen quite a few around the £100 price fillo e9 schiit magni, schiit vali and the O2 are they the 4 main amps in that price range ? And what will go best with q701 I will be using the astro mixamp pro plus a blue snowball mic and only play on ps4.

The Vali is the most recommended of those in the Q701 thread.  However, if you're going to be using it exclusively or gaming, you might not actually want that additional warmth from the tubes.  The O2 is also very highly regarded in that thread and might be a better choice for you.

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Yea my setup is for gaming only
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This is the only O2 I can find in the uk and it's the portable one http://epiphany-acoustics.co.uk/products-page/headphone-amplifiers/ehp-o2-portable-headphone-amplifier/

Does any1 have a link to a website that sells them in the uk ?
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Originally Posted by G3org3 View Post

This is the only O2 I can find in the uk and it's the portable one http://epiphany-acoustics.co.uk/products-page/headphone-amplifiers/ehp-o2-portable-headphone-amplifier/

Does any1 have a link to a website that sells them in the uk ?

It can be used as a portable or a desktop.  Something like the Fiio E12 can't be used while it's charging so it's a portable only.  The O2 can just be plugged in with a wall wart and used like a normal desktop amp OR it can run off a battery.

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