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post #24496 of 26103
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Thank you once again for your help, Stillhart.

It sounds like you really enjoy the HP100's.  If I were to change my mind and go for a closed headphone, is the HP100 the best choice at the sub-$300 price range for immersive (not competitive) PC gaming?  I've heard the DT770's are pretty good too, though perhaps the 80ohm version would need a better amp than the U3.

I almost got the DT770 before I got the HP100.  I was told by a couple people that I wouldn't like the DT770, given my preference for the Q701's sound signature.  I'm sure they're great, they just sound different; once you have a better idea of the sound signature you like, it'll make decisions like this easier.  Unfortunately, that will only come with experience.  

 

 

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Also, I know You guys advised me to go with K612 and not hd598 but I found used hd598 for an equivalent of 70 usd so I bought them immediately.

 

Score!  I'm sure you'll be happy with them for the price.  And if not, should be easy enough to sell them for the same price you paid (or more!).

post #24497 of 26103

Hey peeps,

 

So I finally caved in and got the fidelio x1s after extensive reading. I have the mixamp pro 2013 to go with them for the ps4.

 I am thinking about buying the Sound Blaster Omni Surround 5.1 external usb soundcard for my pc. If I used the optical out on the soundcard could I plug that into the mixamp pro?

When im using the pc for gaming or High def movies I would prefer to use the SBX Prostudio than the Dolby Headphonewhich the astro mixamp uses. Although I would like to use the mixamp as a kind of bypass amp so I could control the volume without walking to the pc.

Does the mixamp have an option to let the SBX sound pass through it without changing the signal to dolby headphone?

And finally does anyone know of a better external soundcard which will allow me to game and watch movies in 5.1 on my home cinema setup, as well as in virtual surround on my fidelios?

 

Thanks for taking the time to read this andthanks Mad Lust for making such an epic thread...


Edited by Gamer-Fi - 7/10/14 at 1:29pm
post #24498 of 26103
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Originally Posted by Gamer-Fi View Post
 

Hey peeps,

 

So I finally caved in and got the fidelio x1s after extensive reading. I have the mixamp pro 2013 to go with them for the ps4.

 I am thinking about buying the Sound Blaster Omni Surround 5.1 external usb soundcard for my pc. If I used the optical out on the soundcard could I plug that into the mixamp pro?

When im using the pc for gaming or High def movies I would prefer to use the SBX Prostudio than the Dolby Headphonewhich the astro mixamp uses. Although I would like to use the mixamp as a kind of bypass amp so I could control the volume without walking to the pc.

Does the mixamp have an option to let the SBX sound pass through it without changing the signal to dolby headphone?

And finally does anyone know of a better external soundcard which will allow me to game and watch movies in 5.1 on my home cinema setup, as well as in virtual surround on my fidelios?

 

Thanks for taking the time to read this andthanks Mad Lust for making such an epic thread...

The Omni is an overall better device than the Mixamp in pretty much every category except "compatibility with gaming consoles".  The amp is more powerful and quieter, the DAC is better, it's got more outputs, etc etc.  IMO, the SBX surround is better than DH as well, though many people disagree.  

 

My point is that there's not any reason to run your Omni through your Mixamp.  Keep in mind the Omni has its own external volume knob so you don't even need the Mixamp for that.

 

If you do decide to run it through the Mixamp, the Omni does have the option to pass a Dolby signal out so the Mixamp can do the processing.  I don't know why you'd want to do that, though, unless you really prefer DH.

 

Personally, I'm a big fan of the Omni if you couldn't tell.  :P

 

BTW, you might check the Nameless Guide to PC Gaming (should be linked at the start of the guide here) for more info on stuff like this.

post #24499 of 26103
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Originally Posted by Stillhart View Post
 

The Omni is an overall better device than the Mixamp in pretty much every category except "compatibility with gaming consoles".  The amp is more powerful and quieter, the DAC is better, it's got more outputs, etc etc.  IMO, the SBX surround is better than DH as well, though many people disagree.  

 

My point is that there's not any reason to run your Omni through your Mixamp.  Keep in mind the Omni has its own external volume knob so you don't even need the Mixamp for that.

 

If you do decide to run it through the Mixamp, the Omni does have the option to pass a Dolby signal out so the Mixamp can do the processing.  I don't know why you'd want to do that, though, unless you really prefer DH.

 

Personally, I'm a big fan of the Omni if you couldn't tell.  :P

 

BTW, you might check the Nameless Guide to PC Gaming (should be linked at the start of the guide here) for more info on stuff like this.


Thanks for the reply I am convinced. I will have the omni sitting next to my pc and I watch movies and so from the couch as my pc is hooked up to my hdtv. i am not that keen on getting up and walking to the computer to adjust the volume so i was hoping that i could use the mixamp without it changing the SBX signal, purely to adjust the volume.

i might have to run some longer cables and  put the omni next to me instead.

Would the omni also work with ps4 if i connected it via optical(obviously without the chat)?

post #24500 of 26103
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Originally Posted by Gamer-Fi View Post
 

 

Would the omni also work with ps4 if i connected it via optical(obviously without the chat)?

 

The Omni is a USB sound card. The optical is only an output. 

post #24501 of 26103
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Thanks for the reply I am convinced. I will have the omni sitting next to my pc and I watch movies and so from the couch as my pc is hooked up to my hdtv. i am not that keen on getting up and walking to the computer to adjust the volume so i was hoping that i could use the mixamp without it changing the SBX signal, purely to adjust the volume.

i might have to run some longer cables and  put the omni next to me instead.

Would the omni also work with ps4 if i connected it via optical(obviously without the chat)?

Get something like this:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Ortek-Windows-Infrared-Receiver-Ultimate/dp/B00224ZDFY

 

I assume you have some kind of universal remote already; throw away the one you just bought and just use the USB IR receiver to control the volume on your movies.  It's what I do on my XBMC box and it works great.

 

I don't believe the Omni will work on your PS4 at all, but I don't know for sure one way or the other.  Maybe @Evshrug can help there.


Edited by Stillhart - 7/10/14 at 2:18pm
post #24502 of 26103
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Originally Posted by Stillhart View Post
 

Get something like this:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Ortek-Windows-Infrared-Receiver-Ultimate/dp/B00224ZDFY

 

I assume you have some kind of universal remote already; throw away the one you just bought and just use the USB IR receiver to control the volume on your movies.  It's what I do on my XBMC box and it works great.

 

I don't believe the Omni will work on your PS4 at all, but I don't know for sure one way or the other.  Maybe @Evshrug can help there.


looks good.. What program would i have to use to play my movies with this? I currently use media player classic with ac3 filter because it allows me to use the optical out and use my home theatre to decode.

post #24503 of 26103
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looks good.. What program would i have to use to play my movies with this? I currently use media player classic with ac3 filter because it allows me to use the optical out and use my home theatre to decode.


i guess movies i can use my wireless mouse but games might be more difficult

post #24504 of 26103
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looks good.. What program would i have to use to play my movies with this? I currently use media player classic with ac3 filter because it allows me to use the optical out and use my home theatre to decode.

This works with Windows Media Center with no configuration.  I'm not sure if it will easily work with MPC.  For XBMC and such, you'll need to configure appropriately.  

 

If you watch movies off your computer a lot, I'd recommend using XBMC to play your movies/shows and something like Media Center Master to organize your files and grab metadata.

post #24505 of 26103
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I almost got the DT770 before I got the HP100.  I was told by a couple people that I wouldn't like the DT770, given my preference for the Q701's sound signature.  I'm sure they're great, they just sound different; once you have a better idea of the sound signature you like, it'll make decisions like this easier.  Unfortunately, that will only come with experience.  

 

Thanks for your thoughts as always!  You're right, I have NO idea what type of sound signature I'm looking for, as this is my first foray into actual headphones.  Currently I'm still debating the x1, HP100 and HP200.  I like these three for their looks, comfort, supposedly well-balanced sound, similar cost, and the fact none would REQUIRE an amp (though I know all three would scale well with a good amp, I can possibly purchase a portable amp like an E17 at a later date).

 

Fidelio X1: Higher price, but I kind of want to try velour pads as the pleather on my Sony Pulse Elite headphones get hot and make my ears sweaty after a while.  I've read that the x1 has really balanced sound and good bass for an open headphone.  I've also read that it has a large soundstage which is something I am looking for right now.  I don't like that it doesn't come with a carrying case (extra if I want to buy one) and the headphones don't seem to collapse well for travel.  I don't exactly need a portable headphone since I'm not really going to be using these while walking around, but I need to bring my headphones with me on the plane to China so I think I'd need a case and the more "compact" the better.

 

Soundmagic HP100: I like the fact that it is closed in case my wife gets tired of noise leakage :)  I like the looks a bit more than the x1, though the glossy cups sorta turn me off... the headband looks more comfy.  Pleather kinda annoys me, and I'm not sure if I feel comfortable replacing earpads on my very first pair of real headphones; even if I do, it would cost extra and make the price comparable to the x1.  Ugh and I don't like the coiled audio cable (that isn't swappable unless I splurge on an HP200 cable).  I love the fact that these headphones fold and come with a convenient carrying case.  Apparently has a great soundstage for a closed headphone (like DT770?).

 

Soundmagic HP200: I think these are some of the sexiest headphones I've ever seen.  I really like the metal grill on the cups a lot more than the glossy ones on the HP100, and the straight cable is a big improvement as well.  I'm a bit nervous that people say the bass sounds not as "full" as the x1 or HP100, and that the soundstage isn't actually very improved from the closed HP100.  I've also read that replacing the pads make the highs retreat a bit which makes me nervous.

 

I can't seem to make up my mind, though I don't think I'll have to make my decision immediately.  I can probably purchase some headphones later in China which will remove the requirement for a travel case anyway.  I really wish I could try some open headphones myself first to see if the sound leakage is as bad as I fear; some videos online make open headphones like the DT990's sound like miniature audio speakers, while others make the leakage sound very subtle indeed.  I also briefly considered the AKG K545's but couldn't find enough feedback on these in this thread, so I wasn't sure if they would be good for gaming.

 

Another problem is that sometimes I wonder if I should just splurge on a good set of DAC/Amp... and maybe increase my budget... and look at the AKG K712... haha.  This is a dangerous hobby, and I haven't even really started.

post #24506 of 26103
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Originally Posted by imac2much View Post
 

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Another problem is that sometimes I wonder if I should just splurge on a good set of DAC/Amp... and maybe increase my budget... and look at the AKG K712... haha.  This is a dangerous hobby, and I haven't even really started.

QFT!

 

Seriously though, at this point you shouldn't be agonizing so much.  All three are great headphones and you'll probably be happy with any of them.

 

Regarding sound leakage outward:  it's SERIOUSLY not as bad as people make it out to be.  Only in a completely silent room will you notice it enough to make much difference.  Even computer fans running will drown it out enough that you'll barely notice it.

 

Now sound leakage INWARD can be much more of an issue.  For example, I don't like using my Q701 at work because all the background noise washes out the fine details, which is where the Q really excels.  Closed cans at work are much nicer.  Also on a plane.  If you plan on using these on-the-go at all, you'll want to go closed.

 

It sounds like you've done all your homework and it's just a matter of pulling the trigger now.  I'd say stick with open cans if you know you won't be using them on the go.  Between the X1 and the HP200... flip a coin and enjoy your awesome headphones.

post #24507 of 26103
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Originally Posted by Yethal View Post
 

Probably using a card that has optical input, then run optical out from console to optical in in audio card then set optical in as a main audio source on pc, then apply dolby headphone encoding and output through headphone jack. To be honest, just buy a mixamp or dss, less hassle.

 

Also, I know You guys advised me to go with K612 and not hd598 but I found used hd598 for an equivalent of 70 usd so I bought them immediately.

 

I need optical input or HDMI input. With optical input I'm going to need a DTS decoder and no creative sound cards do this. I can get a really old Creative Audigy sound card that can decode Dolby Digital but that is a real pain.

 

This is such a massive pain. I need a sound card with HDMI input and can decode Dolby Digital but such a thing doesn't exist. I don't know how I'm going to get a PCI sound card to work when I only have PCI-E.


Edited by Dreyka - 7/10/14 at 5:57pm
post #24508 of 26103
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I need optical input or HDMI input. With optical input I'm going to need a DTS decoder and no creative sound cards do this. I can get a really old Creative Audigy sound card that can decode Dolby Digital but that is a real pain.

 

This is such a massive pain. I need a sound card with HDMI input and can decode Dolby Digital but such a thing doesn't exist.

Why DTS all of a sudden? Set Your console to dolby digital, asus cards decode it afaik, just find one with optical in. If You want to go hdmi route You can just use 7.1 lpcm and derive virtual surround from this (marantz receivers can do this, I don't know if there are any other devices on the market that can too)

post #24509 of 26103
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Originally Posted by Stillhart View Post

E12 and E17 are portables.  E17 is a DAC too, which will work for your non-gaming (like taking with your iphone or whatever).
The E17 is indeed a DAC, with USB & optical inputs (and analogue if you just want to use it as an amplifier), but just FYI it won't natively connect to an iPhone without a lightning-to-USB adapter (and perhaps a small USB hub to "hide" the power requirements). Just saying. E17 is still a good/practical portable.

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Wow, thanks dude!  That's kind of you and I appreciate it.  beerchug.gif

Regarding the Creative E3, it doesn't look like it'll work with a console directly.  Seems similar to a crossbreed of the E17 and the SBZ/SB Omni with a little bluetooth thrown in.  I doubt you'll be able to use it wirelessly with something like a Mixamp.  I'm gonna keep my eye on that device, thanks for the link.
Hey man, you've been keeping the thread alive, you deserve the recognition. I'm trying to come back too, miss talking to the regulars smily_headphones1.gif Maybe I'll even finally make my surround setup YouTube playlist public wink.gif

I'll have to look into this E3 as well!
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Q701 (and K712) will want an amp so I would stay away from it if you don't plan on getting one.

I don't think a Recon or Omni will give you too much improvement over the U3, but I haven't heard the U3 so I dunno.  I wouldn't worry too much about the new E3... I suspect it's more marketing than value; I get suspicious of anything that claims to have so many bells and whistles in a small portable inexpensive package.
Oh c'mon, you liked the Q701 even before you got an amp, you just liked both your headphones better when you added an amp. The Q701 just scaled up more wink.gif

I use my AKG's off the Omni most of the time when I'm on PC, I wanted an amp to clean things up when I used the Recon3D USB, but the Omni has a decently capable amp. MAKE SURE TO UPDATE ITS FIRMWARE!!!



I dunno about you, my Omni is usually set to around 20% with my Q701 and K712 while playing games, surround is perfectly adequate for gaming (though I prefer adding a tube amp for music or when I want the "ultimate" experience). The Omni has more amping power than a FiiO E17 or Mixamp. Also, the U3 has an amp that's pretty weak and dirty, relatively speaking. The main redemption for it is that it's cheap for adding surround sound processing, and it allows optical output to better sounding gear (like an E17, Bifrost, whatEv).

With the above said about the Omni and AKG's, I would like to re-recommend the AKG K612. For iMac2Much, the comfort of a full-sized open headphone (of high quality) will be a bit of a revelation, it's a tad less lively in the highs than the Q but has an overall engaging sound that evenly presents bass-mids-treble and is a bit cheaper. I borrowed Change's old one, sounded quite good for gaming off of the Omni, really great off of my Schiif Bifrost and custom SET Class-A tube amp playing FLAC music files (very near K712, if you never had a good headphone before you'd have to listen to both for a while to hear the difference). Q701 or K702 have the benefit of removable cables though.
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Originally Posted by Yethal View Post

Probably using a card that has optical input, then run optical out from console to optical in in audio card then set optical in as a main audio source on pc, then apply dolby headphone encoding and output through headphone jack. To be honest, just buy a mixamp or dss, less hassle.

Also, I know You guys advised me to go with K612 and not hd598 but I found used hd598 for an equivalent of 70 usd so I bought them immediately.
Eh... The only creative soundcard I know of that can process optical surround input is the Recon3D USB, it's a licensing issue rather than hardware limitation. I would agree about just using a console surround processor (like the Recon3D USB, powered off console's USB port), much less hassle and electricity waste (DEM UTILITY BILLZ!).

On a budget, that deal you went for was a no-brainer! However... Long term, I'd still want the K612 wink.gif

I did Order a pair of DT880, exited about that but I've never heard a Soundmagic yet smily_headphones1.gif I personally tend to prefer lively but balanced headphones, I can only listen to v-shaped frequency responses (like HE-400, V-MODA LP) for a little while.
post #24510 of 26103
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

I dunno about you, my Omni is usually set to around 20% with my Q701 and K712 while playing games, surround is perfectly adequate for gaming (though I prefer adding a tube amp for music or when I want the "ultimate" experience). The Omni has more amping power than a FiiO E17 or Mixamp. Also, the U3 has an amp that's pretty weak and dirty, relatively speaking. The main redemption for it is that it's cheap for adding surround sound processing, and it allows optical output to better sounding gear (like an E17, Bifrost, whatEv).

With the above said about the Omni and AKG's, I would like to re-recommend the AKG K612. For iMac2Much, the comfort of a full-sized open headphone (of high quality) will be a bit of a revelation, it's a tad less lively in the highs than the Q but has an overall engaging sound that evenly presents bass-mids-treble and is a bit cheaper. I borrowed Change's old one, sounded quite good for gaming off of the Omni, really great off of my Schiif Bifrost and custom SET Class-A tube amp playing FLAC music files (very near K712, if you never had a good headphone before you'd have to listen to both for a while to hear the difference). Q701 or K702 have the benefit of removable cables though.
Eh... The only creative soundcard I know of that can process optical surround input is the Recon3D USB, it's a licensing issue rather than hardware limitation. I would agree about just using a console surround processor (like the Recon3D USB, powered off console's USB port), much less hassle and electricity waste (DEM UTILITY BILLZ!).
 

Oh man, just what I need: more options! :P

In all seriousness, I really appreciate your feedback, as I want to make a good purchase that I hopefully won't need to upgrade for a while.  I had no idea that the Omni had a better amp than both E17 and U3.  Is the DAC better as well?  If the Omni can easily drive the AKG K612 and K712, I'll need to look into it a bit more.  I'm getting my U3 + Astro A50 in the mail tomorrow or Saturday (that I stupidly purchased on ebay for cheap before reading this thread), so I was thinking of getting a E17 to complement it... but if Omni can provide, amp, DAC and surround in one solution (and cheaper than E17), perhaps I should look into that after all.  Now what to do with this U3... at least the A50 will be easy to craigslist for gamers who don't know any better (like me last week) :)

 

So now I'm looking at the K612 and K712 as well.  K612 is the cheapest option of the ones I've looked at (x1, HP100, HP200, K545) and seems to have really good reviews.  From what I can tell, the 612 has good sound but flatter bass than the 712... and it also has less comfort and lack of detachable cable than its bigger brother.  How does it compare with the x1?

 

edit: and I just saw some Sony MA-900 for a decent price on auction, so I wonder if those are good too... wow, too many options! I probably won't bite on these though as they look super fragile and they would probably snap on the way to China, haha :)


Edited by imac2much - 7/10/14 at 7:53pm
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