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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The Fiio D07K is slightly on the bright side, so take that into account. (At least brighter than the E17's optical DAC).

 

That's fine - turns out the Xonar U3 has a global OS software EQ (something I've been looking for for a long time) - I'll be able to adjust frequency response to my liking :D

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


Owned BF2; MC (loved it), BF: BC, BF:BC2, BF1942, and BF3. Trust me, I know what Battlefield is all about. I also downloaded the PC beta for BF4, same crap as BF3, which I didn't enjoy. Battlefied has been pretty much the same since the first Bad Company. Funny how people whine about CoD, when Battlefield is just the same, but with more vehicles, etc.

Battlefield is too slow paced. Battlefield is very team oriented, which is not what I'm about. It bores me, really. CoD is quick, mindless fun, with nonstop action, no real lulls of action anywhere. It's simple and arcadey, and I love it for that.

I don't hate Battlefield. It's just boring for MY tastes.

All this being said, I haven't played CoD in a week, since I'm going through Tales of Symphonia: DOTNW atm. Tales meets Pokemon, really.

If you want Tales meets Pokemon but NOT bad and annoying (I loved ToS but watching my sister play DOTNW I see everything that people didn't like about that game), play Ni No Kuni.

post #23358 of 25816
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Originally Posted by BroBuzz View Post
 

Just bought a Astro Mixamp for my PS3. Any impressions on using it with some 668Bs?

I'm using a 668B plugged into a DSS 1. I have a feeling I'm doing something wrong (or several things wrong). I know this thread isn't usually used for troubleshooting, but... whatever, I'll ask some questions and give some opinions.

 

1. Initially, when I set things up as best I could, I got no sound on certain games. I had run optical digital and USB from PS3 to the DSS; I had set the PS3 audio output to optical digital, and I also tried setting "audio multi-output" to both off and on, and I got no sound. Specifically, I got sound on Shadow of the Colossus and Limbo, but no sound on Bioshock Infinite or Puppeteer.

The problem only resolved when I went into the audio output settings and *disabled DTS.* When I told it just to output in Dolby Digital 5.1, AAC, linear PCM, but no DTS, then I got sound in Bioshock Infinite and Puppeteer.

 

2. This is even stranger. So the DSS has four lights. In the instruction manual, it states that its "Dolby ProLogic" light will be illuminated if the DSS is receiving only a stereo signal. While its "Dolby headphone" light is illuminated if it gets a 5.1 signal.

The weird thing is: I got a 5.1 signal playing Shadow of the Colossus, but *I only got a stereo signal with Bioshock Infinite*. That's really weird as I saw all those youtube vids displaying various types of surround sound processing used in that game. So what's with that?

And yet, even though that light is on, there is still a difference between setting the DSS to "Dolby bypass" (which means leave the sound as stereo without processing) and not activating the bypass. In Bioshock Infinite and all games.

 

Am I being stupid or missing something? I notice many people recommending two amps (eg Mixamp + E12 or something). Do I need another amp? I don't care about voice chat.

 

My impression of sound:

..... it looks like I might prefer plain stereo. The surround processing didn't do too much to the sound quality with two exceptions:

a) often "pleasant bass" (such as cello or a gentle timpani beat) was seriously diminished, to the extent that I was only aware of it (without a lot of concentration) in stereo mode, not surround mode. Thumpier bass was unaffected.

b) big difference in treble. The brightness of the Superlux was significantly dampened with the surround processing on. This might appeal to a lot of people. As for me, it depended on my taste at the minute. I thought the treble in stereo sounded very pleasant at certain moments of Shadow, lifting and wide. Other times, particularly in Puppeteer and Infinite, it was pretty screechy in stereo, and surround was helpful there.

 

There was something else: I felt that stereo can sound... more immersive and surrounding than surround... does anyone else feel this? Obviously surround is more positionally accurate, but in terms of a feeling of immersion, sometimes stereo was doing the trick more for me.

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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post


The Plyr is your best bet I believe wink.gif

So you think the plyr 1 is enough of an improvement over the a50's? I haven't had the chance to listen to either of these but the biggest knock on the a50's seems to be the price. With only about a $20 difference do you still believe the Plyrs are still more worth it than the a50's?

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Originally Posted by mmencius View Post

I'm using a 668B plugged into a DSS 1. I have a feeling I'm doing something wrong (or several things wrong). I know this thread isn't usually used for troubleshooting, but... whatever, I'll ask some questions and give some opinions.

1. Initially, when I set things up as best I could, I got no sound on certain games. I had run optical digital and USB from PS3 to the DSS; I had set the PS3 audio output to optical digital, and I also tried setting "audio multi-output" to both off and on, and I got no sound. Specifically, I got sound on Shadow of the Colossus and Limbo, but no sound on Bioshock Infinite or Puppeteer.
The problem only resolved when I went into the audio output settings and *disabled DTS.* When I told it just to output in Dolby Digital 5.1, AAC, linear PCM, but no DTS, then I got sound in Bioshock Infinite and Puppeteer.

2. This is even stranger. So the DSS has four lights. In the instruction manual, it states that its "Dolby ProLogic" light will be illuminated if the DSS is receiving only a stereo signal. While its "Dolby headphone" light is illuminated if it gets a 5.1 signal.
The weird thing is: I got a 5.1 signal playing Shadow of the Colossus, but *I only got a stereo signal with Bioshock Infinite*. That's really weird as I saw all those youtube vids displaying various types of surround sound processing used in that game. So what's with that?
And yet, even though that light is on, there is still a difference between setting the DSS to "Dolby bypass" (which means leave the sound as stereo without processing) and not activating the bypass. In Bioshock Infinite and all games.

Am I being stupid or missing something? I notice many people recommending two amps (eg Mixamp + E12 or something). Do I need another amp? I don't care about voice chat.

My impression of sound:
..... it looks like I might prefer plain stereo. The surround processing didn't do too much to the sound quality with two exceptions:
a) often "pleasant bass" (such as cello or a gentle timpani beat) was seriously diminished, to the extent that I was only aware of it (without a lot of concentration) in stereo mode, not surround mode. Thumpier bass was unaffected.
b) big difference in treble. The brightness of the Superlux was significantly dampened with the surround processing on. This might appeal to a lot of people. As for me, it depended on my taste at the minute. I thought the treble in stereo sounded very pleasant at certain moments of Shadow, lifting and wide. Other times, particularly in Puppeteer and Infinite, it was pretty screechy in stereo, and surround was helpful there.

There was something else: I felt that stereo can sound... more immersive and surrounding than surround... does anyone else feel this? Obviously surround is more positionally accurate, but in terms of a feeling of immersion, sometimes stereo was doing the trick more for me.

Well, I think what you described is correct.
I have mine setup through the optical toslink, USB does not allow other than bare stereo on PS4 and no sound at all on PS3.
Some games don't support DTS, others do. Though as long as at least Digital 5.1 is enabled, you should be getting Dolby Headphone at all times.

Try comparing a game that supports DTS and one that does not and see if YOU can tell a difference. If not, then it might just be a display error or something wink.gif
I found no difference between just digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1.
An external amplifier has no effect on DSP whatsoever.

Immersion... Well, I find the sound in bypass mode meh. So I use DH for games and a better DAC/amp when listening to music via desktop wink.gif
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I want to buy the DNA pro, but what you said about the inconsistent soundstage really puts me off.

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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post


Well, I think what you described is correct.
I have mine setup through the optical toslink, USB does not allow other than bare stereo on PS4 and no sound at all on PS3.
Some games don't support DTS, others do. Though as long as at least Digital 5.1 is enabled, you should be getting Dolby Headphone at all times.

Try comparing a game that supports DTS and one that does not and see if YOU can tell a difference. If not, then it might just be a display error or something wink.gif
I found no difference between just digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1.
An external amplifier has no effect on DSP whatsoever.

Immersion... Well, I find the sound in bypass mode meh. So I use DH for games and a better DAC/amp when listening to music via desktop wink.gif

Bioshock Infinite definitely supports DTS (says so in the credits etc) and Dolby Headphone (see youtube vids) and I'm getting neither, so what gives.

I think I need a better amp. What's a good amp to drive the AKG 7xx range?

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Originally Posted by mmencius View Post

Bioshock Infinite definitely supports DTS (says so in the credits etc) and Dolby Headphone (see youtube vids) and I'm getting neither, so what gives.
I think I need a better amp. What's a good amp to drive the AKG 7xx range?

Schiit Asgard, Matrix Mstage, some tube amps too.
The absence of DH is strange though and not something an amp will fix. Maybe the DSS is malfunctioning.
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K712 in the classifieds for $325. Somebody jump on it! *cough* *MLE* *cough*
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Just got my new toys in today. :gs1000smile:

 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


Owned BF2; MC (loved it), BF: BC, BF:BC2, BF1942, and BF3. Trust me, I know what Battlefield is all about. I also downloaded the PC beta for BF4, same crap as BF3, which I didn't enjoy. Battlefied has been pretty much the same since the first Bad Company. Funny how people whine about CoD, when Battlefield is just the same, but with more vehicles, etc.

Battlefield is too slow paced. Battlefield is very team oriented, which is not what I'm about. It bores me, really. CoD is quick, mindless fun, with nonstop action, no real lulls of action anywhere. It's simple and arcadey, and I love it for that.

I don't hate Battlefield. It's just boring for MY tastes.

All this being said, I haven't played CoD in a week, since I'm going through Tales of Symphonia: DOTNW atm. Tales meets Pokemon, really.

 

Based on this post, I have to ask if you've played and enjoyed Quake Live or any Unreal Tournament games? 

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Just got my Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD and AkG k712 Pros in today. Woot WOoT!

 

awesome thread!

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Originally Posted by finnjl View Post
 

So you think the plyr 1 is enough of an improvement over the a50's? I haven't had the chance to listen to either of these but the biggest knock on the a50's seems to be the price. With only about a $20 difference do you still believe the Plyrs are still more worth it than the a50's?

 

I think you'll find that your questions are answered in the very first post of this thread.

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So, I am in the market for headphones. I recently sold my PC360's which have been the only above average headphones I have ever owned. I am far from being an audiophile, and I honestly know just enough about audio to get myself into trouble.

So, I am looking to this community which I often lurk around for guidance.

First, I must say that I bought the PC360s because of their performance in gaming and they also sound great for single player gaming for the most part. However, it has occurred to me after owning this set of cans that I have a (probably immature) desire to experience more bass in my games. I don't like muddy bass and I don't want it to punch me in the ear drums either. However, i do want to experience the thump. I want to feel the growl and the deep in your heart bass that immerses you and feels more like you are at the theater. I don't want to sacrifice the mids or highs. I certainly don't want to strain to hear vocals and instruments. If I am playing something like Halo's campaign and that bad ass theme kicks in I want to hear that orchestra going at it. But again, I want meaty bass underlying the whole deal. So, what suggestions do you guys have for me?

My budget is $400. I want that to go towards the headphones. I won't have enough to get an amp until maybe a month or two down the road. It is possible if I go with something like the X1s I don't even worry about an amp. However, it sounds like most other phones I'm interested in will require some extra power to get the true experience .

I like the idea of open but I am not opposed to closed, just for the record.

MLE seems to really have a thing for the K712 pros, but I also know he favors mids. At the same time his recommendation is hard to ignore for those bad boys. So, another question besides just recommending a set, does anyone have experience with the 712 pros and can you comment on the bass? Is it immersive and a huge step up from the pc360s, or is it gonna be a disappointment for someone hunting rich bass?Also, how disappointed will I be running this only through the mix amp for a couple months?

Thanks everyone!
Edited by frankefrum - 4/28/14 at 11:24pm
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Hi, 

 

I recently purchased a 1 1/2 year old ultrsone pro 900 with kees mod applied and I am finding it completely unusable for gaming on the ps3 due to the extremely piercing highs. I've got it paired with the astro mixamp and when I played MGS : Ground Zeroes, every gunshot sounded like glass shattering :( It was just too painful to hear. The bass was also non-existent. Gaming on the pc was a little more forgiving as I could reduce the unwanted frequencies through an equaliser with the bass sounding just about right. Thus my question is, is there anything that I could do to make the cans practical for console use? FYI I've got a pair of Astro a40s (2011 edition) and they sound so much more balanced.


Edited by zedetach - 4/29/14 at 12:17am
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