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post #23221 of 24808
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Originally Posted by Stillhart View Post

Get a Sound Blaster Omni.  It's basically the same thing as a SBZ but external.  Both Ev and I use one and it works great.
Right.
I have some powered Sony desktop speakers that are a step up in price bracket from yours (though I haven't used them at all in the past 3 months), almost universally the headphone jack on these external speakers is cheap and noisy... It should be a little better directly plugged into the X58, but even so the amps built into soundcards aren't very clear and also have to contend with even more interference from other electrical parts.

I like the Omni because it's basically an external soundcard. It offloads the sound processing load from the CPU (more resources for other stuff), has a better DAC and Amp than what's built into any motherboard, and easily allows you to connect to upgraded amps or DACs later. It will also be the hub to let you connect headphones and up to a 5.1 speaker setup, and switch outputs in software without having to unplug anything. I like the virtual headphone processing very much.

A hi-fi amp will still improve on the sound, but my K712 sounded very good plugged directly into my Omni.
post #23222 of 24808
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Originally Posted by Stillhart View Post
 

 

Get a Sound Blaster Omni.  It's basically the same thing as a SBZ but external.  Both Ev and I use one and it works great.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Napalmhardcore View Post
 

You could consider an external card like a Sound Blaster Omni or Recon 3D. Alternatively a DAC and Amp. An external card like one of the ones mentioned will have the advantage of doing virtual surround. With a DAC and amp combo you can get the best possible audio, but the sky is the limit when it comes to pricing.

 

Edit: I've got an Omni too.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post


Right.
I have some powered Sony desktop speakers that are a step up in price bracket from yours (though I haven't used them at all in the past 3 months), almost universally the headphone jack on these external speakers is cheap and noisy... It should be a little better directly plugged into the X58, but even so the amps built into soundcards aren't very clear and also have to contend with even more interference from other electrical parts.

I like the Omni because it's basically an external soundcard. It offloads the sound processing load from the CPU (more resources for other stuff), has a better DAC and Amp than what's built into any motherboard, and easily allows you to connect to upgraded amps or DACs later. It will also be the hub to let you connect headphones and up to a 5.1 speaker setup, and switch outputs in software without having to unplug anything. I like the virtual headphone processing very much.

A hi-fi amp will still improve on the sound, but my K712 sounded very good plugged directly into my Omni.

 

 

I think you guys sold me on the omni. I was going to purchase the ZxR but the problem was that with my xeon and 3 video cards I do not have anymore slots available.

 

Is the recon3d a lot better? if so I will spend the extra $50 for it since the OMNI and recon3d also seem to solve my problem of not needing another microphone!

 

EDIT: Seems the Omni is the only one with a microphone. So I take it I should go that route. I take it more expensive here does not mean better?


Edited by bombadilio - 4/22/14 at 6:51pm
post #23223 of 24808
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Originally Posted by bombadilio View Post
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you guys sold me on the omni. I was going to purchase the ZxR but the problem was that with my xeon and 3 video cards I do not have anymore slots available.

 

Is the recon3d a lot better? if so I will spend the extra $50 for it since the OMNI and recon3d also seem to solve my problem of not needing another microphone!

 

EDIT: Seems the Omni is the only one with a microphone. So I take it I should go that route. I take it more expensive here does not mean better?

With the Recon 3D you're paying for multi-platform support. For just PC use you'll be better off with the Omni.

post #23224 of 24808
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With the Recon 3D you're paying for multi-platform support. For just PC use you'll be better off with the Omni.

 

It could also depend on the deal you're getting. On Amazon the Recon3D is slightly cheaper than the Omni. So if you don't need the beam forming mic and want to have the additional options, the Recon3D could be the better choice.

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I saw that for games it had a few other options, I do have to admit I am keen on that mic since I hate attaching cables.'

 

 

Its funny in September I wanted the Zxr and was ready to put down $250

 

I take it the suggestion is the OMNI right? 8-)


Edited by bombadilio - 4/22/14 at 7:18pm
post #23226 of 24808
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Originally Posted by Napalmhardcore View Post
 

With the Recon 3D you're paying for multi-platform support. For just PC use you'll be better off with the Omni.

 

 

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Originally Posted by AxelCloris View Post
 

 

It could also depend on the deal you're getting. On Amazon the Recon3D is slightly cheaper than the Omni. So if you don't need the beam forming mic and want to have the additional options, the Recon3D could be the better choice.

 

I agree with Napalm.  The Recon has a huge advantage in that you can use it with consoles or PC.  But if you aren't going to use it with the console, I think the Omni sounds better.  It's not a massive difference, but I noticed it with my Q701 since they're such detail-whores.  I think you're paying for the flexibility on the Recon...

post #23227 of 24808

Ha! 

 

I dont even own a tv, I just have surround monitors which act as one so from what you guys are saying I would benefit from utilizing the OMNI. I just wanted to make sure its the BEST external solution for what I am doing. I still have a Creative Audigy Platinum EX which has an external port. I was going to install this but then the problem again.... No more internal space

post #23228 of 24808
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Originally Posted by bombadilio View Post
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you guys sold me on the omni. I was going to purchase the ZxR but the problem was that with my xeon and 3 video cards I do not have anymore slots available.

 

Is the recon3d a lot better? if so I will spend the extra $50 for it since the OMNI and recon3d also seem to solve my problem of not needing another microphone!

 

EDIT: Seems the Omni is the only one with a microphone. So I take it I should go that route. I take it more expensive here does not mean better?

 

Oops.


Edited by PurpleAngel - 4/22/14 at 7:28pm
post #23229 of 24808
It's understandable, I've been wrestling with wondering if I'd notice an appreciable difference from an upgraded DAC since before I borrowed an ODAC from Mad and it happened to not work on my computer (but it worked on everyone else's).

I haven't bought/heard any major DAC upgrades yet, but I didn't hear an appreciable difference using my Q701 + tube amp with: my iPod 5th Gen + FiiO L11 dock line-out, SoundBlaster Z PCI card, Soundblaster Omni, Soundblaster Recon3D USB... there may have been differences, but from memory I can't put a finger on any appreciable difference between them, whereas headphones, surround processing methods, and tube swaps were very different to me. There may be a difference with a better DAC, I just don't know frown.gif

Edit: I compared the Z vs the Omni side-by-side, but I haven't compared the Omni side-by-side with the Recon3D USB (sharing the Omni and selling/rebuying the Recon3D and changing headphones jumbled things up). For PC though, the Omni definitely is the best gaming external, sounded less wimpy than the Recon3D's built-in amp, and the DAC may have helped the impression too. Plus it has better output options.
Edited by Evshrug - 4/22/14 at 7:29pm
post #23230 of 24808
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

It's understandable, I've been wrestling with wondering if I'd notice an appreciable difference from an upgraded DAC since before I borrowed an ODAC from Mad and it happened to not work on my computer (but it worked on everyone else's).

I haven't bought/heard any major DAC upgrades yet, but I didn't hear an appreciable difference using my Q701 + tube amp with: my iPod 5th Gen + FiiO L11 dock line-out, SoundBlaster Z PCI card, Soundblaster Omni, Soundblaster Recon3D USB... there may have been differences, but from memory I can't put a finger on any appreciable difference between them, whereas headphones, surround processing methods, and tube swaps were very different to me. There may be a difference with a better DAC, I just don't know frown.gif

Edit: I compared the Z vs the Omni side-by-side, but I haven't compared the Omni side-by-side with the Recon3D USB (sharing the Omni and selling/rebuying the Recon3D and changing headphones jumbled things up). For PC though, the Omni definitely is the best gaming external, sounded less wimpy than the Recon3D's built-in amp, and the DAC may have helped the impression too. Plus it has better output options.

 

You were comparing with an amp.  I suspect the difference I heard with the Rcon and Omni was the built-in amp more than the DAC. 

 

Regarding an external DAC, I'll tell you in a couple days if it makes a difference.  My Modi Optical shipped today.  :-D

post #23231 of 24808

Thanks guys really appreciate it! I never thought a USB solution would even / could even be possibly considered. Gonna use some of that hard earned store credit at newegg for one 8-)

post #23232 of 24808
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Originally Posted by Stillhart View Post

You were comparing with an amp.  I suspect the difference I heard with the Rcon and Omni was the built-in amp more than the DAC. 

Regarding an external DAC, I'll tell you in a couple days if it makes a difference.  My Modi Optical shipped today.  :-D
Yup, I specifically decided to use the amp when I switched from Z to Omni, to minimize variables, but I had to unplug the Z and uninstall/install drivers before I could hear the Omni, and the difference didn't leap out at me with that much time difference. I rebought a Recon later from Nameless cuz I needed a console processor (& I thought he was in a financial bind), and before any A/B testing I let a coworker borrow my Omni (which I didn't realize he would hold for 3 months). Still, I thought the Omni seemed a bit clearer, or at least Borderlands 2 PC sounded great!

PS: Processor Setup Video Update
I just got back the Omni on Saturday, so now I'm just waiting for the Mixamp 5.8 I loaned to Zombie to get back through the mail smily_headphones1.gif


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Originally Posted by bombadilio View Post

Thanks guys really appreciate it! I never thought a USB solution would even / could even be possibly considered. Gonna use some of that hard earned store credit at newegg for one 8-)
The Omni sounded really too close to tell apart from the Z, and sounded GREAT with Borderlands 2. All the output options you could ask for, too. It's the best PC gaming external processor, and a great value when you consider it replicates all the features of the Zx card/ACM without potentiometer problems from the ACM adding resistance.
post #23233 of 24808

So after seeing $400 being drained from my bank account... I'm getting what I'm calling buyers doubt (not quite buyers remorse) already. The headphones haven't even been shipped yet! :blink:

 

My question is, are these K712 Pros REALLY a good investment? This is a lot of money (at least in my books) for a pair of headphones and I have no clue what to expect. WIll the K712s be the end of my search for the ultimate cans? Will they last a long time and be well worth the money? 

 

I apologize if this seems like a really dumb set of questions. I'm on the fence about canceling my order and need the reassurance :p

post #23234 of 24808
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Originally Posted by grumpy1471 View Post
 

So after seeing $400 being drained from my bank account... I'm getting what I'm calling buyers doubt (not quite buyers remorse) already. The headphones haven't even been shipped yet! :blink:

 

My question is, are these K712 Pros REALLY a good investment? This is a lot of money (at least in my books) for a pair of headphones and I have no clue what to expect. WIll the K712s be the end of my search for the ultimate cans? Will they last a long time and be well worth the money? 

 

I apologize if this seems like a really dumb set of questions. I'm on the fence about canceling my order and need the reassurance :p

 

post #23235 of 24808
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Well that just about summed it up! Thanks :k701smile:

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