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post #23101 of 25694
Chico helped point out mine, which were used near-mint.

IMO the Q isn't a one trick pony, I believe Mad used to have it listed as one of his top-5 all/rounders for a while before the X1 and MA900. And though the mids of the MA900 were nice (& well prominent in front of the treble and sub-bass), IMO that was more of a gaming-only headphone (like the AD700, but of a darker, kinda warmer character).

I dunno, I just haven't been " Done wrong" yet by an AKG.
post #23102 of 25694
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Chico helped point out mine, which were used near-mint.

IMO the Q isn't a one trick pony, I believe Mad used to have it listed as one of his top-5 all/rounders for a while before the X1 and MA900. And though the mids of the MA900 were nice (& well prominent in front of the treble and sub-bass), IMO that was more of a gaming-only headphone (like the AD700, but of a darker, kinda warmer character).

I dunno, I just haven't been " Done wrong" yet by an AKG.

I love the MA900 for music on the go. I mean it's smooth, it's musical. Not great for reference listening but great for casual one.
The K612 is more technically advanced and better suited for gaming imo but if your gear does not tame the treble sibilance well it's a very fatiguing headphone.
MA900 and K612 are two very different headphones and both have their place here. They get equal footing from me and obviously get different usage.
post #23103 of 25694
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More about audio comes down to preference than people sometimes give it credit for. It's like I prefer the K612 with stock pads and you prefer the K612 with K702 pads, just preference. Then there is the whole amplification, listening volume, and genre preferences to take into consideration.

Very true... and is my whole point...

MLE has no idea how much of an influence his preference is on people... and the newbies (majority of visitors) have no idea how much preference needs to be taken into effect in what they read on headfi. They find this thread as any other gamer does, by googling "best gaming headphone."
post #23104 of 25694
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I love the MA900 for music on the go. I mean it's smooth, it's musical. Not great for reference listening but great for casual one.
The K612 is more technically advanced and better suited for gaming imo but if your gear does not tame the treble sibilance well it's a very fatiguing headphone.
MA900 and K612 are two very different headphones and both have their place here. They get equal footing from me and obviously get different usage.

I had issues with fatigue on the MA900 oddly on everything I plugged it into, some odd grain in the upper mids and lower treble that really wore me out and it became worse the more often I used the headphone, it's why I ultimately gave the headphone away. The only time the K612 was fatiguing to me was on the amps or tubes it didn't like. I have heard other people complain fatigue on the MA900 too. Quite interesting how different headphones effect different people.

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Very true... and is my whole point...

MLE has no idea how much of an influence his preference is on people... and the newbies (majority of visitors) have no idea how much preference needs to be taken into effect in what they read on headfi. They find this thread as any other gamer does, by googling "best gaming headphone."

 

That is true. It's why there is so much debate about what flagship headphones to get. Some will swear by a headphone and others will absolutely hate the same headphone on the same setup. Every reviewer has their biases, no matter how unbiased they try to be. The problem with getting into high-end audio is that it's so much about trail and error finding what you want, this is basically what we call the audiophile journey. Sometimes experiencing something new in audio may completely shatter your long-held beliefs about something and go against what you read about something or even previous experience with something.


Edited by kman1211 - 4/20/14 at 1:10am
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Thread Starter 
Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

People always want comparisons. Now if i make comparisons and have a bias towards one, it will come off as the other one not being worth listening to.

Perhaps I'll remove comparisons and just stick to just reviewing the headphones, without any other mention to other headphones. Then you guys can decide what you prefer. I'll leave my choice for my recommendations list and that's it.
post #23106 of 25694
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I had issues with fatigue on the MA900 oddly on everything I plugged it into, some odd grain in the upper mids and lower treble that really wore me out and it became worse the more often I used the headphone, it's why I ultimately gave the headphone away. The only time the K612 was fatiguing to me was on the amps or tubes it didn't like. I have heard other people complain fatigue on the MA900 too. Quite interesting how different headphones effect different people.

That is true. It's why there is so much debate about what flagship headphones to get. Some will swear by a headphone and others will absolutely hate the same headphone on the same setup. Every reviewer has their biases, no matter how unbiased they try to be. The problem with getting into high-end audio is that it's so much about trail and error finding what you want, this is basically what we call the audiophile journey. Sometimes experiencing something new in audio may completely shatter your long-held beliefs about something and go against what you read about something or even previous experience with something.

It's funny as I don't find MA900 nearly as fatiguing as K612.
But I am sensitive to sibilance. Both perform very well to my ears. Different signatures. But K612 has more sibilance than MA900. Everything else is satisfactory and up, just that...
But as people say, nearly all neutral dynamic headphones have a bit of a harshness or sibilance in the treble though I'd much prefer the former to the latter.
Plus, I am sensitive to it so...
Edited by conquerator2 - 4/20/14 at 1:39am
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Comparisons and preference is one thing, ending the review by stating to go for the latter, instead, is another.

It basically kills the whole point of you saying its a great headphone. Which, as a result, kills the whole point of me sending it in. Why bother sending in a headphone I know people will love as much as the MA900 and X1 (if not better) if you're just going to steer people away from it because YOU PREFER the latter.

I mean, did you do so in the MA900 and X1 reviews? As awesome as those headphones are, did you end their reviews in that same similar fashion. If I can recall, the K612 is more technically refined than those two. Yet, it doesn't get the same love... and won't because of how specific you are in telling people to go for the latter. You may as well put that at the end of every review from now on.

But you're right, damned if you do and damned if you don't. This is your thread... and the way you review really is changing I guess...

Remember... no beef. I'm just stating my opinion...

 

You know what? I apologize... I'm not going to criticize you for how you review things. You put too much work and dedication for anyone as myself to do so. This is just like any other review site, visitors must read at their own risk... :tongue:


Edited by Change is Good - 4/20/14 at 2:07am
post #23108 of 25694
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It's funny as I don't find MA900 nearly as fatiguing as K612.
But I am sensitive to sibilance. Both perform very well to my ears. Different signatures. But K612 has more sibilance than MA900. Everything else is satisfactory and up, just that...
But as people say, nearly all neutral dynamic headphones have a bit of a harshness or sibilance in the treble though I'd much prefer the former to the latter.
Plus, I am sensitive to it so...


It is kind of weird. I have noticed that seems to be a drawback with neutral dynamic headphones, system matching is vital with anything neutral. I am sensitive to harsh sibilance. Some sibilance bothers me, other types of sibilance doesn't. It's kind of weird. When a headphone bothers me sonically it causes my ears to clog up and eventual ear pain some reason leading to temporary channel imbalances(where the center is behind my right or left ear, usually right) in my hearing which is incredibly annoying. The K612 is one of the only headphones I owned that doesn't do that to me.

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It is kind of weird. I have noticed that seems to be a drawback with neutral dynamic headphones, system matching is vital with anything neutral. I am sensitive to harsh sibilance. Some sibilance bothers me, other types of sibilance doesn't. It's kind of weird. When a headphone bothers me sonically it causes my ears to clog up and eventual ear pain some reason leading to temporary channel imbalances(where the center is behind my right or left ear, usually right) in my hearing which is incredibly annoying. The K612 is one of the only headphones I owned that doesn't do that to me.

FWIW, my K612 pairs well with the Asgard 2 and its natural warmth.
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Thread Starter 
I wrote the MA900 and X1 reviews before I added these new sections. Anyways, since I'm heavily biased towards the K712/Annie I'll go ahead and remove any mention of any other headphone in every review, and just stick to reviewing the headphone, and when people ask me what I would choose, I'll let them come up with their own conclusions.
post #23111 of 25694
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FWIW, my K612 pairs well with the Asgard 2 and its natural warmth.


They do pair well with warmth and/or smoothness. I need to try them on the Asgard 2 sometime. My current tubes on my EF2A give the K612 a crystalline, clean, and smooth nature. My other tubes that I like with them, give them a more lush, warm, and musical sound. I do want to upgrade my amp sometime, no hurry though as I am quite satisfied with the K612 and my amp pairing for my main headphone. Will likely upgrade my dac first as my main dac has some slight harshness to it but I use it because of it's warmth and body.

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I wrote the MA900 and X1 reviews before I added these new sections. Anyways, since I'm heavily biased towards the K712/Annie I'll go ahead and remove any mention of any other headphone in every review, and just stick to reviewing the headphone, and when people ask me what I would choose, I'll let them come up with their own conclusions.

Honestly, because of that heavy bias, I predicted this the moment Ev decided to send his K712 in at the same time. If the K612 would have arrived alone, like it was supposes to the first time I sent it, the review would have been much less biased... and more people would be inclined to get them.

Instead, everyone is just jumping on the K712 and overlooking the K612. The whole point of me sending it in was so it would stop being overlooked like it is. Didn't work, I guess lol
Edited by Change is Good - 4/20/14 at 2:40am
post #23113 of 25694

Hi. Need a closed headphone with decent - good isolation and works well with dolby headphone. Would you guys say the alpha dog meets these requirements? What else would be recommended. 

 

Max budget is the price of the alpha dogs. 

post #23114 of 25694
alpha Dogs is the best you can get for that price...
post #23115 of 25694
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post


I love the MA900 for music on the go. I mean it's smooth, it's musical. Not great for reference listening but great for casual one.
The K612 is more technically advanced and better suited for gaming imo but if your gear does not tame the treble sibilance well it's a very fatiguing headphone.
MA900 and K612 are two very different headphones and both have their place here. They get equal footing from me and obviously get different usage.

 

I found MA900 is the more fatiguing comparing with 612pro. even on the E17, I don't find it sibilance at all. 612pro treble is more smooth and detailed comparing with MA900, to me, 612pro completely outclassed MA900 now in all aspects. considering the current price tag, I think 612pro clearly deserve more attention. 

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