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post #22831 of 25599
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Dude, if you game on PC, don't use the Mixamp. AT cheapest, get a Xonar U3. If you have an optical dac (cheapest being a Fiio D03k), you can completely bypass the Xonar's amp and dac, and just send the Dolby Headphone signal to your own amp/dac. I have one, and I send the signal to my Fiio E17 amp/dac (which has an optical input). Sounds great, and the U3 is hella cheap.

It's not worth spending more on a better pc device, since you only need it to send the signal to your own amp/dac. U3 is a perfect choice.

I really need to add it to my guide.

I came across the Asus Xonar U3 while researching alternatives for laptop use.  Shortly after that I acquired the Asus Xonar U7.

 

I like both and would have zero qualms about recommending either (depending on scenario of course).  I primarily use the U7 on my laptop paired with AKG K712 Pro.

 

And yes, you definitely should add the U3 to your guide .... and the U7 while you're at it.  It would have saved me (and it's all about me right?  right?! ;->) so much time when I was researching headphones and surround sound processors for laptop use!


Since we're all talking about itches ...

 

While I'm thoroughly enjoying laptop -> U7 -> K712 for the past couple of months, I find myself reading about Project Ember (oooohhhh shiny).  And wondering what a good DAC pairing would be????  Then I have to remind myself one step at a time.

 

Which leads me right back to thinking on Laptop -> U7 -> DAC -> Project Ember -> K712 .... and somewhere in there I have to try a good pair of closed headphones to complement my open ones (believe Change recommended the Shure 1540).  And now my portable solution is lackluster AND vmoda released the XS .... sigh

post #22832 of 25599
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The Recon 3D is like the Mixamp in that it takes in a Dolby Digital 5.1 signal. You can't get vertical positional cues from something deisgned to give horizontal speaker cues. For vertical audio placement, that's PC gaming territory, and that's something that seems to be limited to much older games, with some algorithms no longer used, etc. Nameless knows a lot more about that.
post #22833 of 25599
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I think the Nameless guide and Evshrug's guide are good places for this info.  The short answer is that anything with Dolby Headphone won't give you 3D.  You won't be getting 3D out of any console-based device like the Mixamp or Recon.  Some sound cards can do 3D and it's rumored that the PS4 will be able to do 3D at some point (the hardware is there, just not the software).

 

You're also limited by whether or not the game is providing the 3D cues.  My understanding is that many games don't bother since most people aren't setup to hear them.

I seem to remember the marketing blurb for the Recon claimed it had 3D positioning (including above and below) but as you say, I wouldn't have thought the cues were in the software, so I wrote it off as advertising fluff.

 

With that I'm off to bed.

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I believe that if you use the Recon with USB from a PC, it can.  If you use it with Optical from a console, it can't.

post #22835 of 25599
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Yes, that's if you go deep into game's settings, and do some workaround, etc. I certainly don't have time for that, and FWIR, most new games don't even support it.
post #22836 of 25599
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Yes, that's if you go deep into game's settings, and do some workaround, etc. I certainly don't have time for that, and FWIR, most new games don't even support it.

I seem to vaguely remember reading a discussion about how Creative used to have a particular kind of sound technology that was abandoned. I remember the guy was basically saying that he thought Creative isn't as good as they used to be. This sound tech apparently even simulated the Doppler effect.

post #22837 of 25599

I just got word that The Last of Us Remastered for the PS4 will be using some "new" audio technologies, this came directly from one of the sound designers in TLoU. There's a good bet that they're using AMD's TrueAudio.

 

Though TrueAudio was pretty glitchy and poorly implemented on Thief (on the PC), would be interesting to see what Naughty Dog can do then. I mean, in the hands of a more capable team.

post #22838 of 25599
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Cool. This is the first time I look forward to turning off the DH button on my Mixamp. Other than when I play games that only do stereo. Should be very simple to compare the surround emulation with the flick of the DH button.

That being said, Naughty Dog games don't do all that well with surround cues.

I'm almost positive we can expect an Uncharted Full HD collection a year before Uncharted 4 hits.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/11/14 at 12:19am
post #22839 of 25599
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Cool. This is the first time I look forward to turning off the DH button on my Mixamp. Other than when I play games that only do stereo. Should be very simple to compare the surround emulation with the flick of the DH button.

That being said, Naughty Dog games don't do all that well with surround cues.

I'm almost positive we can expect an Uncharted Full HD collection a year before Uncharted 4 hits.

Maybe not Uncharted, but The Last of Us had one of the best if not the best cues and overall quality I've heard on a console so far.
Everything sounds very good and is easy to locate.
Unlike GTA V for example..
IMO, YMMV.
post #22840 of 25599
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Cool. This is the first time I look forward to turning off the DH button on my Mixamp. Other than when I play games that only do stereo. Should be very simple to compare the surround emulation with the flick of the DH button.

That being said, Naughty Dog games don't do all that well with surround cues.

I'm almost positive we can expect an Uncharted Full HD collection a year before Uncharted 4 hits.

 

Really? I personally thought that TLoU was quite exceptional in surround cues and overall mixing quality. Ranks up there with MGS4, which I think is still the best in audio production on a console game.

 

Wow Uncharted Full HD? Please, Lord no.

post #22841 of 25599
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I didn't get a chance to play TLOU really, so I'm going off the Uncharted series which didn't have the best surround emulation.

And why not a Full HD Collection? It's not like you have to buy it. Also, there are many new PS4 owners who didn't own a PS3, and missed out on an amazing series. Uncharted 2 was arguably the best last gen game prior to TLOU.

I wouldn't mind going through those games at 1080p (and hopefully) 60fps. With the collection, they could add the Vita Uncharted game, which I KNOW most console gamers missed.


I don;t understand all the hate for collections. Or any game for that matter. You don't have to buy a game. Surely, a masterpiece series like Uncharted is more worthwhile than many other games that get updated ports.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/11/14 at 6:08am
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I would buy an Uncharted Remaster, no hesitation.

 

I agree on the TLOU. Even though I bought it for my sister (my time shall come with the Remaster) I watched her play over my home theatre and once with the Mixamp (putting on the headphones while she played a few minutes) and I agree with ben and conqueror. 

 

As usual Sony games are also always carefully and well recorded.

 

I recently wrote a mail to the good Dr. of Sucker Punch asking about binaural audio on the PS4 (funny thing is I did it one day before the revealed their binaural audio testing center) but sadly got no answer. Infamous audio mix is very good as well. 

 

I hope we'll get your geometry/material/coordinates rendering back (as it's actually kinda promised) + some standard headphone setting like CMSS-3D over OAL/DS, then we can just get the best portable or even stationary dac/amp for our needs and never look back. 


Edited by Fegefeuer - 4/11/14 at 6:17am
post #22843 of 25599
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I didn't get a chance to play TLOU really, so I'm going off the Uncharted series which didn't have the best surround emulation.

And why not a Full HD Collection? It's not like you have to buy it. Also, there are many new PS4 owners who didn't own a PS3, and missed out on an amazing series. Uncharted 2 was arguably the best last gen game prior to TLOU.

I wouldn't mind going through those games at 1080p (and hopefully) 60fps. With the collection, they could add the Vita Uncharted game, which I KNOW most console gamers missed.


I don;t understand all the hate for collections. Or any game for that matter. You don't have to buy a game. Surely, a masterpiece series like Uncharted is more worthwhile than many other games that get updated ports.

Collections are great. I loved picking up some HD collections I missed on the PS2 and even picked up some classics I loved.

Same thing goes for PS4, but I'll be a bit more picky this time around, probably.

I'll be sure to get TLoU for PS4 this summer as the first one though, right with Infamous SS :]

post #22844 of 25599
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Good to know TLOU has good surround cues. It's one thing that irked me with Uncharted, as it sounded more processed than normal, with less than stellar soundstaging and positional cues.
post #22845 of 25599

^ I am sure you'll love it along with the 1080p and higher textures re-coat :]

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