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post #21841 of 26141
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They have two models, an open and a closed. I'm curious about these as well, but they're not really available yet so I guess we'll see.

 

I'm curious about the pricing.  People kept saying the AD700 is <$100, but I've never seen one at that price.  If these headsets are in that price range, I suspec they'll do well.

They used to retail for that before they were discontinued. The new models are around $150 IIRC. These will probably pop up for $250 or more. I'd honestly be surprised if they were lower. 

post #21842 of 26141
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Hey Mad Lust Envy and everyone else ... what are your thoughts on true 5.1/7.1 gaming headsets such as these : 

 

http://www.razerzone.com/ca-en/gaming-audio/razer-tiamat-71/

 

http://www.rosewill.com/products/1964/ProductDetail_Overview.htm

 

I hear they are very good  in competitive gaming, but the soundquality is garbage....what are your thoughts ? 

 

If you'd looked at his Tritton AX Pro review on the first page, you'd find that Mad Lust Envy found it awful to the point of making it his first AND LAST multi-driver surround headset review.

 

There might be one set that doesn't totally suck, but I haven't seen it for sale anywhere. On top of that, if that caption about costing "under $2400" is to be believed, I'd rather treat myself to a good pair of Stax and a virtual surround processor.

post #21843 of 26141
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Im pretty sure I fall into the small/regular size of ears and I know i have a smaller head than a lot of folks (wear size 7).

 

I dont live near any place where I can go and try these on so I have to try to figure out what i might like just from reviews and such.  For me the most important feature would be to be able to hear distinction between the sounds and have crisp sounds.  I think that something that allows me to listen to classical music I think would work well for me as for gaming I would like to hear everything as clear as possible over say, having a bass heavy headphone.

 

the issue i run into is that for every person who knows what they are talking about who likes a given headset, there is another person who is just as qualified who doesnt like it.  This is an issue because Im new to the premium headphone market and I dont have a lot of experience trying various models out and being able to interpriute a lot of the reviews other than "ok he liked it and it was clear" "ok he didnt like it because this other headphone had clearer highs".

 

At the moment I am leaning towards the X1s, but im just not sure about the openness.

 

The HP50's are considered excellent for classical music; check out the review by Headfonia.

 

If you have a small head, maybe look into the smaller versions of the K550's, the K551's and the even more portable and stylish K545's. The K545's were on my shortlist, but I think they might be too diminutive for my 'Elf' ears. :)

 

Honestly, if you're new to headsets and headphones like I am, don't be afraid to experiment. Find a few cans you like the visual style of, are on sale, have the features you require (such as closed-back, detachable cable, carrying pouch, etc.), and have generally favourable reviews, and maybe consider buying a few different ones and sending back the ones you don't get along with as well. Of course, if you like them all, you may end up not knowing which ones to part with. ^_-


And don't solely go by the guide here. It's just one man's opinion, and he hasn't reviewed all the headphones out there. I had to look elsewhere because none of the ones listed fitted my criteria.

 

If you're confused by the jargon that people use in reviews, so am I! That's why it might be better to focus on features and price more so than sound signature. Because let's face it, basing  your opinion on another person's interpretation is rather silly by definition. There are so many factors that need to be considered, such as source music, amplification, how tight the seal is, etc. Then of course you have the myriad of different ways the human ear is formed based on your DNA.

 

I've not tried the X1's so I can't say how well you will get along with the lack of isolation. It's been on my mind as well. I live in Ireland, though, so returning items bought from Amazon or elsewhere is expensive and not easy. Otherwise I'd buy them and see for myself whether I can live with the noise or not.

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Thanks, Chris.  I thought so, but the prices were so different it threw me.  Anyway, based on the discussions I've read, I'm not ready to pull the trigger on a Turtle Beach headset.  Besides, the deal on the Tango has passed.  So, I'm back to this.  I really want a wireless surround sound headset, for my XBOX 360 (and XBOX ONE, since that may come later).  I don't want to hassle with wires between me and the XBOX.  I'm OK with a wire, from my headset to the controller and/or wires from the transceiver to the XBOX.  I sit across the room from the TV.  Anyone who passes by, has to walk behind me or step over the wires.  The players that I see are:

 

Skullcandy PLYR1

Turtle Beach XP510 (and COD special editions)

Steelseries H Wireless

Astro Gaming A50

Creative Sound Blaster Tactic3D or Recon3D

Madcatz Tritton Warhead 7.1 Dolby

 

Because of cost, I'm leaning towards the Skullcandy PLYR1.  The Astro Gaming A50 reviews are quite good.  And, the Stellseries H wireless is intriguing, but the review have been mixed.  If there is a big difference between the Skullcandy and the others, I'd go with a more expensive choice.  If there are other I should consider, I'm interested.


Edited by petaylor - 3/18/14 at 12:09pm
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K612>MA900>X1. IMO. YMMV.
I think they are very good headphones though to my ears the cheaper K612 or MA900 are cheaper and a bit more special.
I feel like the X1 is really good with bass but the midrange leaves a bit to be desired and the highs are too smooth and lack air with just a little spike. The soundstage and instrument separation is still very good though and so is imaging. The MA900 shines in the mids with very good punchy but still tight bass.the highs are even smoother hut the (bass-)mids-highs transition is better.
Soundstage is great and so is instrument separation. Imaging leaves a bit to be desired. There is great air in the mids.
The K612 is a real reference headphone for 200. The bass is tight and extended all the way. The mids are very even and natural. The treble is bright and can ne edgy sometimes but it depends on the mastering a great deal. Imaging is easily the best of the three, separation is top notch and soundstage is very well rounded if slightly smaller than the two but still the most even in terms of width and depth. Sheer air quantity is akin to the X1, MA900 wins here.

If I had to rank them price/performance wise I'd go K612>MA900>X1. Because while they are all great headphones the two kicks well above their respective price ranges, while the X1 is "only" a good value at their MSRP (not counting some of the recent temporary discounts)

Then again I value natural, neutral reference headphones where all their performance sides are equally important to me.
I still can appreciate the X1 quite a bit, but they'll be the first of the three to go probably X/
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And finally I got my MA900 (been like 7 months or even more since I sat my mind on getting them), everything that can go wrong with an online order I went through it, heck they even got discontinued while I was waiting and going through tons of bureaucratic procedures.
But in the end, putting them on makes one forget all what he went through.
God, they are ravishingly comfortable and sound airy and relaxing yet luscious and involving, putting them on while laying on the couch is simply heaven.
 

post #21847 of 26141
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K612>MA900>X1. IMO. YMMV.
I think they are very good headphones though to my ears the cheaper K612 or MA900 are cheaper and a bit more special.
I feel like the X1 is really good with bass but the midrange leaves a bit to be desired and the highs are too smooth and lack air with just a little spike. The soundstage and instrument separation is still very good though and so is imaging. The MA900 shines in the mids with very good punchy but still tight bass.the highs are even smoother hut the (bass-)mids-highs transition is better.
Soundstage is great and so is instrument separation. Imaging leaves a bit to be desired. There is great air in the mids.
The K612 is a real reference headphone for 200. The bass is tight and extended all the way. The mids are very even and natural. The treble is bright and can ne edgy sometimes but it depends on the mastering a great deal. Imaging is easily the best of the three, separation is top notch and soundstage is very well rounded if slightly smaller than the two but still the most even in terms of width and depth. Sheer air quantity is akin to the X1, MA900 wins here.

If I had to rank them price/performance wise I'd go K612>MA900>X1. Because while they are all great headphones the two kicks well above their respective price ranges, while the X1 is "only" a good value at their MSRP (not counting some of the recent temporary discounts)

Then again I value natural, neutral reference headphones where all their performance sides are equally important to me.
I still can appreciate the X1 quite a bit, but they'll be the first of the three to go probably X/


So you would recommend the K612 and then slightly behind that the MA900 above the K702 Annies and MrSpeakers Alpha dogs?  Hmmm I hadn't considered the K612 but if they're as good as you say I may need to lean towards those instead!  The reason a big part of me was looking forward to ordering the MA900 is that they're now discontinued and both MLE and Nameless provide high praise for them.  Ohhh dear me... decisions decisions!!!

post #21848 of 26141
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So you would recommend the K612 and then slightly behind that the MA900 above the K702 Annies and MrSpeakers Alpha dogs?  Hmmm I hadn't considered the K612 but if they're as good as you say I may need to lean towards those instead!  The reason a big part of me was looking forward to ordering the MA900 is that they're now discontinued and both MLE and Nameless provide high praise for them.  Ohhh dear me... decisions decisions!!!

It really just depends on what you want your headphones to do? Do you want a headphone that is neutral and dynamic? Get the K612. Or is a blend between natural, fun and musical headphone more up your alley? Then the MA900. Or do you want a bassy yet still somewhat neutral can? The the X1.

All are good... It's ultimately your music taste and what you value the most that will help you decide :]

post #21849 of 26141
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

It really just depends on what you want your headphones to do? Do you want a headphone that is neutral and dynamic? Get the K612. Or is a blend between natural, fun and musical headphone more up your alley? Then the MA900. Or do you want a bassy yet still somewhat neutral can? The the X1.

All are good... It's ultimately your music taste and what you value the most that will help you decide :]

Well luckily I already have the X1 and the ATH-M50's so it'd be a toss up at that point between the MA900 and the K612.  I was looking for something a bit more neutral but good for competitive gaming with a nice open sound stage and positional queues.  Ideally also comfortable for long periods of time. 

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I wish the MA900 were still available.  For the amount of good press they get around here, I'm surprised they've disappeared.  I refuse to pay a $100 markup to try them out, even though I suspect I'll really like them.

 

Does anyone know if they'll be making a replacement or what?  Is it normal for good headphones to just vanish with no upgrades?

post #21851 of 26141
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Originally Posted by RoosterMKV View Post
 

Well luckily I already have the X1 and the ATH-M50's so it'd be a toss up at that point between the MA900 and the K612.  I was looking for something a bit more neutral but good for competitive gaming with a nice open sound stage and positional queues.  Ideally also comfortable for long periods of time. 

Both fit that description. The K612 is definitely the more neutral "reference" of the two, the MA900 is more relaxing and have good bass-mids, but the highs leave some to be desired.

If you have an amp I'd give the nod to the K612 but I love the MA900 too, so... Not easy to choose between these.

post #21852 of 26141
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

Both fit that description. The K612 is definitely the more neutral "reference" of the two, the MA900 is more relaxing and have good bass-mids, but the highs leave some to be desired.

If you have an amp I'd give the nod to the K612 but I love the MA900 too, so... Not easy to choose between these.

So you're saying buy them both!? :ksc75smile:

post #21853 of 26141
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Originally Posted by RoosterMKV View Post
 

So you're saying buy them both!? :ksc75smile:

Well, in the best possible scenario. yes :veryevil:

I probably like the X1 the least for some reason, so... 

If I knew a bit more about your musical taste/value and what's important for you, I might be able to help you choose between the two :D

post #21854 of 26141
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Originally Posted by RoosterMKV View Post
 

So you're saying buy them both!? :ksc75smile:

One factor that might make a difference is what your using to drive them, the 48-Ohm MA900 should easy work with portable audio devices (DAP & smartphones) or computer audio.

Where as the AKG K612 Pro is 120-Ohm and might like a little more juice, so computer audio to modern A/V receivers would would be good sources for the K612.

If you already have a decent headphone amplifier, then either headphone would work.

post #21855 of 26141

If the K612 is as good as the Q701 for positional cues and soundstage, I doubt you'll be disappointed.

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