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post #21376 of 26222
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You could alsays sell that cable to me...
post #21377 of 26222

Quick question about the V-Moda Boom Pro:

 

Can I use a female to female 3.5mm adapter to use the Boom Pro with a Superlux headphone? They (Superlux) use a 3.5mm male jack as a removable cable option.

 

So something like Superlux headphone -> 3.5mm female to female adapter -> Boom Pro

post #21378 of 26222

Well guys, I've found an alternative to the mic situation for PS4 users.

 

Use this - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004XC6KHS/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=154M20SNQDZHD&coliid=I259I03CRCINJ3

 

Plug it straight into the DS4, problem solved. No fumbling with cables, no headaches with splitters.

Downside is of course, you can't mute when you want and it does pick up noises when you are mashing on the face buttons or rapidly moving the analog stick.

 

Not my pic, but this is  how it looks:

 

 

It's only $25, so that puts it in the same price point as the BoomPro.


Edited by benbenkr - 3/2/14 at 12:47am
post #21379 of 26222
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That would pick up way too much ambient noise, and I have a fan that runs 24/7 in my room. Not quiet.
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Originally Posted by Dannek View Post
 


Thanks Prankies.

 

I think after more consideration and based on what you stated, that I may eliminate the MA900's from my list.  Since they've been discontinued with no replacement, and the price has inflated quite a bit, I'd feel as if I made the wrong choice unless they blew away the X1's, which have come down in price considerably.  At this time, there is only one seller on Amazon that has the MA900's for $239, and that's not a major retailer.  The rest are companies that ship from Japan and charge $250.  The only major US retailer lists them at $298.!!  I think from what I've read the X1's are a better value than the MA900's at the same price point.

 

I still like the review of the PC360 by Mad Lust Envy for gaming at their low price point, which is now $166.  But for a few dollars more, I can get a pair of HD598's and a mic.  I'm not sure which way to go between those or the X1's.  If the X1's warrant the increased price, I'd go for them as they are in my budget.  I'm also concerned that the 5 series Sennheisers may sound a lot like the Q701's, with less bass than the X1's, and lacking the fun factor of the X1.  I'd appreciate it if anyone else who has any of the headphones listed above could chime in with their thoughts.  I'd greatly appreciate it.  If you read this Mad Lust, and could chime in, I'd really appreciate it as I know you've had all three on my list.  Thanks again.

 

 

 

 

The Q701 has less bass than the X1, and the HD5x5/PC360 has less bass than the Q701.  In terms of fun, it's also:  X1  >  Q701  >  HD5x/PC360.

 

 

The X1 is staying down at ~$230 now, which is a nice price for it and a good value.  When I bought my pair, they were $315.

 

I'd just get the X1. 

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If X1 has more bass than MA900, for my taste the bass on MA900 is at limit of what I consider the ideal place for fun gaming and watching movies, neither more nor less. 


I'm loving MA900 and worth every penny i spent, the initial resale price was a steal for Sony. I find  strange someone decline a headphones just because the price is no longer a steal, or have been discontinued, or just because it hasn't a premium look when they are. :D


Edited by pack21 - 3/2/14 at 2:18am
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has anyone tried the Sony DR-GA200 with the astro mixamp. I was wondering what this setup would sound like.



Specifications for sony DR-GA200
Cord: 2.5 m (8.20 ft) / Plug: Gold-plated stereo mini plug (headphone plug/ microphone
plug) / Mass: Approx. 240 g (8.40 oz) (without cord)

Type: Open air, dynamic / Driver unit: 40 mm, dome type (CCAW adopted) / Power
handling capacity: 1,000 mW (IEC*) / Impedance: 40 Ω at 1 kHz / Sensitivity: 100 dB/
mW / Frequency response: 14 – 22,000 Hz

Design: Boom microphone / Type: Electret condenser / Open circuit voltage level: –38
dB (0 dB = 1 V/Pa) / Effective frequency range: 20 – 20,000 Hz
post #21383 of 26222
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Man, the Astro A30s may be my first bad review in awhile. Bad imaging with really bad rear depth... just... I don't think this is gonna be pretty.
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Originally Posted by pack21 View Post
 

If X1 has more bass than MA900, for my taste the bass on MA900 is at limit of what I consider the ideal place for fun gaming and watching movies, neither more nor less. 


I'm loving MA900 and worth every penny i spent, the initial resale price was a steal for Sony. I find  strange someone decline a headphones just because the price is no longer a steal, or have been discontinued, or just because it hasn't a premium look when they are. :D

I don't think anyone here would argue about the MA900s being amazing.  Even at their current price point, they are a good deal.  But the X1s have a lot of the same gaming strengths as the MA900s (a good bass to soundstage ratio, easy to drive, comfortable, great for music) as well as a MUCH nicer build quality (the MA900s are basically two massive drivers held together by a strip of plastic, while the X1s are absolutely gorgeous and have a premium feel).

 

The MA900 is also almost impossible to find from a reputable retailer now.  You are limited to eBay listings and overpriced import sites.  The X1s can be picked up straight from Amazon or a variety of other major retailers.

 

When both headphones sell at their retail price (MA900 for <$200, X1 for >$300), then the MA900 is a great deal and a great option.  But now that the MA900s can't be found for under $240 (from shady retailers with slow/expensive shipping, no less) while the X1s are actually CHEAPER <$230 from quality retailers with cheap/fast shipping, a lot of people would say that the X1s are a better value at this snapshot in time.

 

So it's awesome that you love your MA900s--they are an AMAZING headphone and I wish I had a pair to try out.  But from the opinions of several in the thread, all other things being equal the X1 is a slightly better deal for most people right this second, mostly due to pricing/availability (and the fact that the X1 is just an incredible headphone).

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MLE, I'll be able to confirm for definite whether the BoomPro works with the M-Audio Q40 when it arrives later this week. 

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The Q701 has less bass than the X1, and the HD5x5/PC360 has less bass than the Q701.  In terms of fun, it's also:  X1  >  Q701  >  HD5x/PC360.

 

 

The X1 is staying down at ~$230 now, which is a nice price for it and a good value.  When I bought my pair, they were $315.

 

I'd just get the X1. 


Heyas Chicolom.

 

Thanks much for your input.  I had the chance earlier today to demo some headphones at my local magnolia/bestbuy and agree with you completely based on what I was able to demo. 

 

I don't want to derail this thread with a full assessment of the different headphones that I tried out, as this is a gaming headphone thread and I was just doing general listening with them, not gaming.


But I will say that I did rule out the "on ear" style of headphone.  I was able to try a few B&W on ear style as well as both the Sennheiser Momentum on ear and over the ear styles.  I just didn't like the fit of the on ear models even with their low weight.

 

I was able to listen to these models: Sennheiser 558, Sennheiser Momentum (over ear and on ear), AKG K550, Denon AH-D600, a few B&W on ear models, and some noise cancelling full size that I can't remember the name of as I've never heard of the brand before.

 

The end result was that I now see the night and day difference between headphones whose tuning makes them perfect for gaming, the PC360, 558, and the K550.  And the headphones whose tuning makes them pretty good for gaming but more fun for general listening, like the Momentum and the Denon D600.  From what I've read, I'd put the X1's in the latter category.  Although I am aware that many people think that the X1's are very unique for an open full size headphone.

 

If I had the money, I'd probably get the PC360 just for gaming, as it's slightly more than the 558, slightly less than the Q701 plus mic, and is a complete and competent headset ready to go.  Then I'd get the X1's for listening to my collection of Digital Audio Tapes and general listening.  I may do just that in the future when my tax return comes in, but for now I need to focus on just one, so I'm leaning toward the X1's as they can server both purposes very well with a mic and are at a very nice price point. 


Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by Dannek View Post
 


Heyas Chicolom.

 

Thanks much for your input.  I had the chance earlier today to demo some headphones at my local magnolia/bestbuy and agree with you completely based on what I was able to demo. 

 

I don't want to derail this thread with a full assessment of the different headphones that I tried out, as this is a gaming headphone thread and I was just doing general listening with them, not gaming.


But I will say that I did rule out the "on ear" style of headphone.  I was able to try a few B&W on ear style as well as both the Sennheiser Momentum on ear and over the ear styles.  I just didn't like the fit of the on ear models even with their low weight.

 

I was able to listen to these models: Sennheiser 558, Sennheiser Momentum (over ear and on ear), AKG K550, Denon AH-D600, a few B&W on ear models, and some noise cancelling full size that I can't remember the name of as I've never heard of the brand before.

 

The end result was that I now see the night and day difference between headphones whose tuning makes them perfect for gaming, the PC360, 558, and the K550.  And the headphones whose tuning makes them pretty good for gaming but more fun for general listening, like the Momentum and the Denon D600.  From what I've read, I'd put the X1's in the latter category.  Although I am aware that many people think that the X1's are very unique for an open full size headphone.

 

If I had the money, I'd probably get the PC360 just for gaming, as it's slightly more than the 558, slightly less than the Q701 plus mic, and is a complete and competent headset ready to go.  Then I'd get the X1's for listening to my collection of Digital Audio Tapes and general listening.  I may do just that in the future when my tax return comes in, but for now I need to focus on just one, so I'm leaning toward the X1's as they can server both purposes very well with a mic and are at a very nice price point. 


Thanks again.

 

 

If I owned both the X1 and PC360, the PC360 wouldn't get much if any use.  I think you would probably find that to be the case as well.  The X1 is objectively a better headphone in terms of detail and sound quality, plus the signature is noticeably more fun - the PC360 can be a bit flat and boring at times (has a bit of an "n" shaped signature.

 

What makes the X1s special is that they combine a fun warmer signature (with big bass) alongside a spacious soundstage with good imaging, which is a rare thing for a headphone to pull off.

 

The X1 also works well with mics thanks to it's detachable cable input.  Here's a cheap boom mic you can hook up to it.

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Originally Posted by Dannek View Post
 


Heyas Chicolom.

 

Thanks much for your input.  I had the chance earlier today to demo some headphones at my local magnolia/bestbuy and agree with you completely based on what I was able to demo. 

 

I don't want to derail this thread with a full assessment of the different headphones that I tried out, as this is a gaming headphone thread and I was just doing general listening with them, not gaming.


But I will say that I did rule out the "on ear" style of headphone.  I was able to try a few B&W on ear style as well as both the Sennheiser Momentum on ear and over the ear styles.  I just didn't like the fit of the on ear models even with their low weight.

 

I was able to listen to these models: Sennheiser 558, Sennheiser Momentum (over ear and on ear), AKG K550, Denon AH-D600, a few B&W on ear models, and some noise cancelling full size that I can't remember the name of as I've never heard of the brand before.

 

The end result was that I now see the night and day difference between headphones whose tuning makes them perfect for gaming, the PC360, 558, and the K550.  And the headphones whose tuning makes them pretty good for gaming but more fun for general listening, like the Momentum and the Denon D600.  From what I've read, I'd put the X1's in the latter category.  Although I am aware that many people think that the X1's are very unique for an open full size headphone.

 

If I had the money, I'd probably get the PC360 just for gaming, as it's slightly more than the 558, slightly less than the Q701 plus mic, and is a complete and competent headset ready to go.  Then I'd get the X1's for listening to my collection of Digital Audio Tapes and general listening.  I may do just that in the future when my tax return comes in, but for now I need to focus on just one, so I'm leaning toward the X1's as they can server both purposes very well with a mic and are at a very nice price point. 


Thanks again.

I really don't think you'll be at much of a loss for competitive gaming with the X1s.  I have been playing Counterstrike since beta 1 (sounds like a freakish exaggeration, but totally true!  At the time there were only two maps, siege and desert, and the knife wouldn't be invented for another 3 betas!) and "in my prime" played in CAL-Invite as well as several LAN tournaments for prizes.  I'm not calling myself a "pro", but I was about as close as it gets short of being one of the 50 people on earth who genuinely make a somewhat comfortable living as a gamer.  I'm not as competitive as I used to be, but I'm still pretty obsessed with all things first person shooter, and I do not take kindly to being at a disadvantage in my games.

 

I only bring all of this up to say that the X1s are no slouch for competitive gaming.  Their soundstage and detail is so good that I would rank them above 95% of what the headphone world has to offer in terms of headphones that give a competitive advantage.  The remaining 5% mostly consists of insanely neutral and detail-oriented sets like the AD700, which honestly don't provide a SIGNIFICANT competitive edge, just a tiny, tiny bit of an edge in positioning on certain sounds, much of which can be eliminated with a bit of EQ adjustment if you want.  I guess there are a couple of headphones like the MA900 that are genuine overall competition for the X1s for fun/competitive balance, but I haven't heard them to compare.

 

I don't want you to feel like you are "giving up" much going with the X1s.  You will still know exactly where all of your enemies are, and will still have a huge advantage over all the kids sporting their $50-100 Logitech/Razer "gaming headset" garbage.  There are only a handful of headphones in the world that would have any real edge over the X1s in gaming, and it's never going to be the difference between you winning and losing a game (or even a single round), and you would have to give up a lot of other sound elements to get that miniscule edge (I say this as an owner of AD700s, largely considered to be the most competitively advantageous set of headphones: I have no reason to wear the AD700s now that I have the X1s).

 

I honestly think if you have the X1 for a while and then got the 360s down the road that you might be disappointed with how flat they are compared to the X1s while not really offering you that much more directional awareness in gaming.  It's all subjective, of course, and you're going to daydream of owning every pair of headphones out there anyways, but don't for a second feel a tinge of regret for your competitive gaming needs.  The X1s will be amazing for them.


Edited by prankies - 3/2/14 at 1:56pm
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If X1 has more bass than MA900, for my taste the bass on MA900 is at limit of what I consider the ideal place for fun gaming and watching movies, neither more nor less. 


I'm loving MA900 and worth every penny i spent, the initial resale price was a steal for Sony. I find  strange someone decline a headphones just because the price is no longer a steal, or have been discontinued, or just because it hasn't a premium look when they are. :D


Heya Pack21.


Thanks for your input. 

 

I should have been more specific.  I did initially leave the MA900's on my list even after I saw that their price had risen from $180. to $240. in the US.  I know they are very highly regarded so I was still considering them.  I never had any concerns about their looks, as i thought they looked neat and they were described as very comfortable.  After reading everything I could on the X1's, I did read some comparisons between the two from people who had owned or tried both.  Each person said they were very close in total sound quality, but in each case those posters picked the X1's as their choice.  Based on that, and the fact that the price of the MA900's had risen considerably while the price of the X1's had dropped considerably, I just decided that for me the value was better with the X1's with both headphones being at the same price point.  The discontinuation issue doesn't bother me as Sony will still support them, just that the discontinuation lead to the major price increase that we are now seeing.  If I had all kinds of money I'd probably get them just because they "have" been discontinued, and if they are really nice it may be my last chance to get them new.  But for me, I think that some day I will probably buy a pair of them used to see how nice they are, when I have the cash to do so.

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Heya Chicolom.

 

Thank you very much for the additional input.  Based on what you and prankies have stated in back to back posts, I agree that both sets aren't the best decision from a value and usage point of view.  The X1's are apparently better than I thought for gaming, and will suit me much better for listening to my Digital Audio Tapes and general music.  Have you tried the MA900's by any chance? and if so how do you think they compare to the X1's at the same price point?

Thanks for the mic suggestion as well.  I'd only read about the Vmoda BoomPro as an inline option up to this point...

 

 

Heya prankies.

 

Thanks for the additional information you provided.  You and Chicolom have a great knowledge of the X1's from both a gaming and general usage perspective and I appreciate your advice greatly.  I thank you both for saving me money by helping me decide on one pair of headphones instead of getting two which obviously wouldn't benefit me in any way for what I want to use them for.  That's more money that I will have down the road for a sound card, amp/dac, or another really nice set of headphones if this becomes a new favorite hobby for me.  (Which I think it will..:)

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