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Originally Posted by iamstumper View Post

@conquerator2please see the following page for dolby headphone verification

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/product/gaming/headset/turtle-beach-ear-force-px5.html

Woo, amazing! Thanks! I was expecting this but wasn't sure... a great checklist website. good Dolby.

Sucks the PX5 is not sold separately though... I mean it's probably discontinued now anyway, but it is a nice unit. Should have been offered separately.

Thanks again. Cheers! :beerchug: 

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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

Pretty...

On another note, I've hooked up my Yamaha again. First, the amp in this is pretty nice... Not detecting any treble fatigue in my k712's (with Q701 pads) and power delivery is smooth. Well, sometimes it seems like the bass is clipping a little... But that could just be the downloadable Guardians of Light. Halo: Reach is as good as I remembered this way, with my now-knowledge of Dolby Headphone it does indeed sound very similar, though the "standard" movie DSP has a bit more reverb and basically is what I'd imagine DH mode 3 to be like. You can adjust the strength of Silent Cinema's surround effect, so it's like a more granular adjustment between DH Mode 1, 2, and 3. Very much a "Dolby headphone" clone. Haven't fiddled with every single setting yet. For example, I wonder what happens if I apply Dolby Pro llz to a 5.1 DDL signal?

The most evident thing, however, was getting used to the TV here... It's a 55" LED 3D "Smart TV" by Panasonic, I turned on game mode and as many enhancements as I could to "off;" I can't actually "see" a delay, I just can't pull off the super-fast aim adjustments as frequently as I could using a VGA cable to my monitor. It's also hard to understate the effect of going from sitting in front of a 20" monitor to trying to find the optimal distance (sitting on a table, lol) to take in a 55" screen and not be overwhelmed by the sheer scale of what you're taking in. It definitely has intensely good picture quality though. Call me weird... but I may have to switch to my smaller 42" plasma, once I get that set up (somewhere).

Input lag is usually more on the big tvs than for
Monitors. Id suggest u do single player on ur plasma and multiplayer on ur monitor. Thia is coming from a guy who got his 50 in halo 3 on a 37 inch led. Vga was a night and day improvement
post #21363 of 25686
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Originally Posted by mikaveli06 View Post

those of u using yamaha silent cinema for ps4....what are mic options?  I have vmoda boom pro and phillips x1
Well, IMO the VMODA BoomPro provides little if any convenience in that situation.

I don't have a PS4 yet, but I think you need to route chat/mic audio to the controller. You're gonna need a Y-Split adapter, with extensions for the "game audio" to come from the receiver and a short extension for the "mic input" to go to the controller.

Honestly, I think it would be less mess to have a separate lapel mic to just plug straight into the controller (or a Bluetooth mic?), and a nice long cable for audio between your headphone and AVR.
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post

Looks like you gotcha hands full for a while. i'll wait before surprising you, then... tongue.gif

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I thought Mad wouldn't be reviewing headphones for a while anyway, because he couldn't afford to ship them back? So... maybe it's open season anyway biggrin.gif

Side note: what are ya playing on PS4? I finished filing my taxes last week, refund check should be soon on the way...
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Thread Starter 
Well, the DNAs were 'given' to me, and calpis was nice enough to give me the HS15. Nothing to ship back, lol. As for the A30s, you know I bought those with the 5.8 a while ago, but just got them back from being RMA'd.

As for my dire situation, my friend came through and got me a roommate. Literally, last few days before I was moving out. So it looks like I'll have my place until at least the lease is over in Sept. redface.gif

I still needed the money to pay off the share of stuff my old roommate skipped out on, so selling the MA900 was a wise choice.

I currently just beat Strider on ps4.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/1/14 at 10:48am
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Originally Posted by kcazbarach View Post

Input lag is usually more on the big tvs than for
Monitors. Id suggest u do single player on ur plasma and multiplayer on ur monitor. Thia is coming from a guy who got his 50 in halo 3 on a 37 inch led. Vga was a night and day improvement
Oh, hi there!
Lol you posted right when I came back.
The huge LED 3D Smart TV I was talking about is at my new place, it belongs to my roommate (but he shares). I got the input lag down a fair bit by turning off a bunch of processing then switching on Game Mode, but it still processes stuff in the background and I know that my Plasma does it more simply and better. Wish there was a 24" plasma monitor with DisplayPort input... talk about refresh rate potential! Probably never gonna happen frown.gif I suppose I could hook my VGA cable to the plasma too... it's not a very high-quality cable though, makes a difference for these analogue signals.

On Halo 3, I got stuck on rank 38. Since then, however, I've gotten a little better with my positioning and tactical decisions.
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Mad,
I know how ya got those A30's wink.gif
Mine should arrive back on Monday, tbh I intended to give them to my friend's girlfriend so she'd have something more comfortable than malfunctioning Trittons and the three of us could play. Or, perhaps, sell them. Yeah, I still need to sell one of my AKG's; though I could probably recoup most of the money I spent on my K712's and the two headphones don't seem that different to me... I think the Q701 might be the one to go, I prefer the K712's mids presentation. I'm waiting on one factor to make my decision though wink.gif

How was Strider? I know nothing about it besides the name, and the cover art I saw on Steam.

Super glad to hear your ex-roommie found a way to not totally leave you in a bad bind, always glad to hear proof that people mean well.
Edited by Evshrug - 3/1/14 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by DADDYDC650 View Post
 

I wanted to give a quick update on my Astro wireless mixamp, X1 + BoomPro setup. I installed a rechargeable battery about 2 weeks ago and charged it to max capacity. I've been gaming on my PS4 at least an hour a day and the battery has yet to die. Amazing battery life compared to 3 AAA batteries which lasted almost 3 hours max! Wow! BTW, X1 + BoomPro + Astro wireless mixamp = amazing. If Sony releases a firmware update that raises the chat volume when using the USB PS3/PC chat cable, this setup will be perfect. 

Do you have the BoomPro connected directly to the headphone port of the mixamp to provide surround sound and mic capabilities? Or do you have a connection to the ps4 controller as well? Thinking about getting the mixamp and the BoomPro and wondering how it is connected for surround sound and mic

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Does anyone knows if by using a fidelio X1 + boom pro mic + mixamp I will get voice chat to work on PS4 and XB1? I have an old 2009 mixamp and AD700 for the past 4-5 years. Over 5000 hours of use by now. How would that old configuration compare with my "possible" new one? Would it be a clear improvement or just marginal? Main use is games and movies/TV.

 

Initially I bought the mixamp and the AD700 with FPS games in mind but ended up using for everything, movies, TV series, music and games. Only problem I got was that I have never really found a good mic solution. My mixamp didn't come with the Y adapter so it took a while for me to get my hands in one (I live abroad and importation is costly and slow). Then I bought a madcatz modern warfare mic that never really worked. I bought another generic mic, also money down the drain. Never found out if the problem was with the mics I bought, the Y adapter or my mixamp. On my PS3 I circumvented this problem using the official wireless mono headset from sony and bypassed the whole split cable in the mixamp problem. Used the H7 as a mic, worked great with the mixamp and AD700. But on my Xbox 360 I ended up using the systems crappy H7 for 6 years straight, never got a workaround.

 

If I use the V bomm pro and the X1 along with the mixamp would I still have to use the Y spliter for voice chat? Or will the mixamp treat the X1 just like another astro headset (voice and sound in a single cable)? 

 

Also, is it worth upgrading my mixamp to a newer one? I noticed the new ones have firmware upgrades and all.

 

Appreciate any and all help...thanks guys.


Edited by Marcus007 - 3/1/14 at 1:28pm
post #21369 of 25686
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Originally Posted by widdyjudas View Post
 

Just wanted to make sure with the xonar DGX.

Is the DH effect only available via analog output, or the optic out also? Since I'm only connecting the DGX to the Aune dac via Optic out.

 

FWIR it works on optical as well.

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First, let me say thanks for the great thread here, from Mad Lust Envy to the contributors it's been an eye opening experience reading and learning from it.

 

I'm looking for a new pair of headphones or a headset that will be primarily used for PC gaming.  I've read this thread and the review threads on each model I've listed below and I'm stuck on making a final decision.

 

Can you guys help me with a recommendation between these three headphones/sets that I've read about in this thread?  I'd greatly appreciate it.

 

1.) Sennheiser PC360 - It's a headset so I don't have to buy a mic.  Lowest price.

 

2.) Fidelio X1 - This was a tough choice between the X1 and the Q701.  After reading the threads on both headphones, I chose the X1's as they seem better for immersive gaming and fun factor.  The Q701's are reportedly better for competitive gaming, but I'm not a pro player by any means.

 

3.) Sony MA900 - These seem highly praised and I included them as they seem to be the lightest and possibly more comfortable? than the others.  What irks me about these is that they've been discontinued and the price has risen from $180. to $240. presently.  I still consider them at that price as they seem to be a favorite.

 

For either of the last two I would get a mic for gaming. Vmoda, Antlion, or Sampson.


I was also looking at "on ear" lightweight headphones like the Sennheiser Amperiors, but I don't know if the comfort level would be greater than the ones I listed above and I'm afraid the sound quality wouldn't be up to the ones that I listed.

 

Please help me choose..

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Howdy, I'm finally back and can give a short report on my experience upgrading from a Xonar DG with a ATH-AD700 to a Fidelio X1 with a Sound Blaster Z OEM.

 

First, I'll talk about the difference between sound cards.  I find Creative's proprietary surround emulation modes to be better than the Xonar's (Dolby Headphone), but to be honest I don't really like using either one.  The "Scout Mode" on the SBZ might give a tiny competitive advantage, but I don't find it to be enough of one to deal with the worsened sound quality.  It doesn't feel like a larger sound stage, just a more directionally obvious one (at the cost of some precious ambient/immersive effects).  Dolby Headphone on the DG just sounds like crap to me, so it isn't even an option.  Any gain in directional cues/soundstage to me is negligible on either headphone.  In basic 2-channel without any surround emulation, I find both headphones to be incredible for competitive first person shooters on both sound cards.  I can hear above/below/behind me without any problem, and even multiple sources of sound from different directions are clearly simultaneously rendered by both sets of headphones and both soundcards without any surround emulation/7.1/DH/CMSS3D/Scout mode or whatever.  I am most pleased by the standard stereo setting in all possible scenarios.

 

So at the end of the day, I found the SBZ to be louder and more full/bassy on both sets of headphones thanks to its more powerful headphone amp.  Games are more fun, though I didn't experience much of a difference competitively.  Maybe a slight positional edge to the SBZ, again thanks to the stronger amp giving more separation between sounds.  I do really like Creative's software package (as ugly as it is), though I wish it had the headphone gain selection options that the Xonar offers.  For $56 shipped, the SBZ OEM drives my X1s a little harder than the $20-30 DG.

 

For music, the SBZ's bass is more fun, but might drown out a tinge of detail as a result.  It was hard to compare the two cards in a quick/simple/objective fashion, though, so this could be imagination.

 

Now to compare going from the AD700 to the X1s:

 

Sound:

 

The most obvious change is in the bass (no s*%&?).  I actually enjoy several genres of music again and went out of my way to download several new albums to enjoy the X1s.  The bass has more range and is more powerful.  I also find the X1s much less fatiguing at high volume, and more forgiving of low quality recordings.  All of these factors give the X1s way more versatility than the AD700s, even though the AD700s remain beautiful for the few genres they work for, sound stage can only get you so far for music.  

 

For gaming, I find I lose almost no competitive advantage going to the X1s from the AD700s.  The soundstage on the X1 might not be as airy/lofty as the AD700s, but individual sounds are more defined and more "present" in their own space.  Heavy action on the X1s is absolutely beautiful: fun, loud, and assaulting, but highly detailed and separated.  Best of all, you give up almost nothing in terms of directional cues/positioning/surround to achieve it.  There has never been a moment where I died and said "Dang, if I were wearing my AD700s I would have lived!"  If anything, the immersion of the X1s gets me even more focused on the game.

 

For isolation, the X1 has a much better seal.  With the AD700s, you can hear EVERYTHING outside.  The X1s actually do a remarkable job of sealing you off for an open can.  My wife has been quite annoyed a few times at her inability to get my attention while wearing the X1s.  That said, the X1s also carry noise extremely far.  At 50% volume, I can hear them as clear as a radio across the house.  Don't wear these next to a sleeping partner!

 

Comfort and Build Quality:

 

For my enormous head, I honestly still prefer my AD700s.  The X1s are hotter, have a bit more clamp, and are heavier on my head.  That said, they are both fantastically comfortable and have been worn for 8+ hour gaming sessions.  I'm just worried about sweaty ears with the X1s come summer time.

 

The X1s win the build quality contest hands down.  The AD700s feel hollow by comparison.  Style goes to the X1 as well.

 

At the end of the day, would I buy it all again?  Well, the X1s basically rekindled a love of music for me, so I'm not sure how much of a price you can put on that.  My games are also dramatically more enjoyable, and considering that is my #1 hobby, it's hard to put a price on that, as well.  I will say that at this point in time I have no intention of returning them, and will likely consider selling the AD700s, as I see no single advantage they have over the X1s (of which there are very few) being worth putting them on instead of the X1s.  Comfort in a hot summer room might be a worthy exception, though, as the AD700s remain the most cool/comfortable headset that I have personally ever worn.

 

Going from the DG to the SBZ is more of a mixed bag.  Neither of my headphones require much of an amp, so the change in sound wasn't particularly dramatic, though my cognitive dissonance tells me that the SBZ gave me some extra power (which might be even more felt if you have a headphone that is harder to drive than either of these).  There is more bass on my non-EQed SBZ than there is on my EQed DG, and the SBZ pushes the X1s sound stage a bit further out (while making no real difference on the AD700s).  Since the price difference here is only $20-30 and I like the SBZ's software more, then yeah, I'd probably get the SBZ again even though I don't use either company's surround emulation.  The X1s benefit from the touch of extra juice.

 

TL;DR: X1 made me fall in love with music again and made my games a lot more fun.  SBZ is a small improvement over the DG for both headsets, mostly in the bass department.  I am very happy with the upgrade, but wife is not as happy about the extra time I waste at the computer unable to hear her from the other room.


Edited by prankies - 3/1/14 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by Dannek View Post
 

First, let me say thanks for the great thread here, from Mad Lust Envy to the contributors it's been an eye opening experience reading and learning from it.

 

I'm looking for a new pair of headphones or a headset that will be primarily used for PC gaming.  I've read this thread and the review threads on each model I've listed below and I'm stuck on making a final decision.

 

Can you guys help me with a recommendation between these three headphones/sets that I've read about in this thread?  I'd greatly appreciate it.

 

1.) Sennheiser PC360 - It's a headset so I don't have to buy a mic.  Lowest price.

 

2.) Fidelio X1 - This was a tough choice between the X1 and the Q701.  After reading the threads on both headphones, I chose the X1's as they seem better for immersive gaming and fun factor.  The Q701's are reportedly better for competitive gaming, but I'm not a pro player by any means.

 

3.) Sony MA900 - These seem highly praised and I included them as they seem to be the lightest and possibly more comfortable? than the others.  What irks me about these is that they've been discontinued and the price has risen from $180. to $240. presently.  I still consider them at that price as they seem to be a favorite.

 

For either of the last two I would get a mic for gaming. Vmoda, Antlion, or Sampson.


I was also looking at "on ear" lightweight headphones like the Sennheiser Amperiors, but I don't know if the comfort level would be greater than the ones I listed above and I'm afraid the sound quality wouldn't be up to the ones that I listed.

 

Please help me choose..

 

 

I am biased in steering you toward the X1.  I think you'll find it a lot more fun than the 360 without sacrificing much competitive advantage.  I haven't heard the MA900, but I would inch the X1s a notch above them in overall quality from what I've heard around here.  The MA900s are fantastic, but the X1s definitely have a build quality more deserving of their price.  The MA900 has inflated a bit, while the X1s have come down.  Since they're both currently the same price, I would take the X1s as a better value.  If you can pick up the MA900s for significantly cheaper than the X1s, then they sound like an amazing value.  For the same price, the X1s seem like an obvious choice for their build quality (and they are also much easier to find from reputable retailers).

 

They have a lot of similarities, so it would be hard to go wrong with either one.

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

FWIR it works on optical as well.

Thanks for the reply, because I only see the headphone option via analog on the DGX audio center. 

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Originally Posted by prankies View Post
 

 

I am biased in steering you toward the X1.  I think you'll find it a lot more fun than the 360 without sacrificing much competitive advantage.  I haven't heard the MA900, but I would inch the X1s a notch above them in overall quality from what I've heard around here.  The MA900s are fantastic, but the X1s definitely have a build quality more deserving of their price.  The MA900 has inflated a bit, while the X1s have come down.  Since they're both currently the same price, I would take the X1s as a better value.  If you can pick up the MA900s for significantly cheaper than the X1s, then they sound like an amazing value.  For the same price, the X1s seem like an obvious choice for their build quality (and they are also much easier to find from reputable retailers).

 

They have a lot of similarities, so it would be hard to go wrong with either one.


Thanks Prankies.

 

I think after more consideration and based on what you stated, that I may eliminate the MA900's from my list.  Since they've been discontinued with no replacement, and the price has inflated quite a bit, I'd feel as if I made the wrong choice unless they blew away the X1's, which have come down in price considerably.  At this time, there is only one seller on Amazon that has the MA900's for $239, and that's not a major retailer.  The rest are companies that ship from Japan and charge $250.  The only major US retailer lists them at $298.!!  I think from what I've read the X1's are a better value than the MA900's at the same price point.

 

I still like the review of the PC360 by Mad Lust Envy for gaming at their low price point, which is now $166.  But for a few dollars more, I can get a pair of HD598's and a mic.  I'm not sure which way to go between those or the X1's.  If the X1's warrant the increased price, I'd go for them as they are in my budget.  I'm also concerned that the 5 series Sennheisers may sound a lot like the Q701's, with less bass than the X1's, and lacking the fun factor of the X1.  I'd appreciate it if anyone else who has any of the headphones listed above could chime in with their thoughts.  I'd greatly appreciate it.  If you read this Mad Lust, and could chime in, I'd really appreciate it as I know you've had all three on my list.  Thanks again.


Edited by Dannek - 3/1/14 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by Acerackham View Post
 

Do you have the BoomPro connected directly to the headphone port of the mixamp to provide surround sound and mic capabilities? Or do you have a connection to the ps4 controller as well? Thinking about getting the mixamp and the BoomPro and wondering how it is connected for surround sound and mic

I have the BoomPro connected directly to the mixamp as well as the TB PS4 chat cable. I have the USB PS3/PC chat cable that connects from the PS4 to the Astro TX unit but I find the chat volume to be a little too low compared to using the TB PS4 chat cable. Hopefully Sony will provide an update that raises the chat volume via a USB connection.

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