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Originally Posted by appsmarsterx View Post
 

 

I already tried it with my Xonar Phoebus which has the same DAC as STX (PCM1796) and TPA6120A2 AMP. so I dont completely agree with the "proper amping" argument.  I'm sure 612pro is a great headphone for its current price tag, but the point is 612pro is very unpredictable with some sources.  

 

Does that sound card dish out the same kind of power you'd get from a proper desktop amp? I have multiple sources, here, and the K612 works quite well with all of them... and are all amplified by some moderatley beefy amps.

 

I'm not doubting the source you are using... I'm just doubting the amplification you are providing...

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I'm also willing to bet you're using mere milliwatts on your beefy amps as well.

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I already tried it with my Xonar Phoebus which has the same DAC as STX (PCM1796) and TPA6120A2 AMP. so I dont completely agree with the "proper amping" argument.  I'm sure 612pro is a great headphone for its current price tag, but the point is 612pro is very unpredictable with some sources.  


It is a picky headphone, it's more revealing than most headphones in it's price range. Lets just say if I had only the Magni as an amp when I got the K612, I may of preferred the MA900 to the K612. The K612 actually isn't that demanding of power, it just needs enough(basically a desktop amp), what it really needs is synergy. Proper amping in the case of the K612 is all about synergy. With the right synergy, it's more musical, engaging, realistic, and natural sounding than the MA900. It sounds it's absolute best on aggressive and dynamic amps imho and it seems to prefer tube or hyrbid amps to ss amps.


Edited by kman1211 - 2/8/14 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

I'm also willing to bet you're using mere milliwatts on your beefy amps as well.

 

Well... I did say moderately... lol

 

I'm just saying he should try using the K612 with a desktop amp before giving off these impressions... but, meh... if he doesn't like it and isn't willing to try... so be it. The K612 just isn't for him.... nor is any other headphone that requires some juice to shine...


Edited by Change is Good - 2/8/14 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post
 

 

Does that sound card dish out the same kind of power you'd get from a proper desktop amp? I have multiple sources, here, and the K612 works quite well with all of them... and are all amplified by some moderatley beefy amps.

 

I'm not doubting the source you are using... I'm just doubting the amplification you are providing...

 

I'm sure Xonar Phoebus is far more capable power source than E12 or any of the similar desktop amps, which uses separate pci-e power connecter to power the soundcard which can drive 600ohm cans. it is a beast.

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It is a picky headphone, it's more revealing than most headphones in it's price range. Lets just say if I had only the Magni as an amp when I got the K612, I may of preferred the MA900 to the K612. The K612 actually isn't that demanding of power, it just needs enough(basically a desktop amp), what it really needs is synergy. Proper amping in the case of the K612 is all about synergy. With the right synergy, it's more musical, engaging, realistic, and natural sounding than the MA900. It sounds it's absolute best on aggressive and dynamic amps imho and it seems to prefer tube or hyrbid amps to ss amps.

 

^This

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Originally Posted by appsmarsterx View Post
 

 

I'm sure Xonar Phoebus is far more capable power source than E12 or any of the similar desktop amps, which uses separate pci-e power connecter to power the soundcard which can drive 600ohm cans. it is a beast.

Actually that's not true, it won't compare to a proper desktop amp, it's more about quality than power, desktop amps offer better quality sound. It may be a powerful soundcard, but I haven't heard a soundcard properly drive a demanding headphone such as the K612, K702, HD 600, DT 880, etc. In my experience soundcards are best used as dacs.


Edited by kman1211 - 2/8/14 at 8:28pm
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yes. that's what I was trying to say. it was not about power, its about synergy. 

 

anyway I d rather get something far more capable of most of the sources (like ma900) than something like 612pro, which is extremely picky with the sources. ma900 is right out of the box fantastically balanced with either directly with your iphone (any portable device) or E17 or even onboard realtek, no hassle with the sources. anyway I don't hate 612pro, this is just my personal opinion.


Edited by appsmarsterx - 2/12/14 at 9:38pm
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Any opinion on which Mixamp I should go with between the 2011 and 2013 - I've read about the differences in this thread but I also came across low mic volume issues on the 2013 while reading online, not to mention the extra hiss. I also read the 2011 can't update firmware like the 2013 can. I'm playing on PS4 and will be using K712. How should I choose which Mixamp?
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If the hiss is bothering you that much, then go for 2011. If you can live with the hiss, the 2013 has all the bells and whistles. I personally prefer the least amount of hiss, so I choose the 2011. As for low mic volume... you will need an external amp to remedy this.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/8/14 at 11:39pm
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I got a chance to use the new Gold Playstation 4 headset for about 5 hours. My sister went out and purchased them at Best Buy late last night so I decided to cancel my pre-order from Amazon and give these a whirl before I made my decision. 

 

Comfort wise, they feel pretty good. Very light and comfy. They are made out of plastic but are sturdy and I doubt they will have the same durability issues the Pulse Elite had. They fit my size 8 head well. Not too tight and not too loose. I haven't had to adjust them much after hours of usage. The ear pads seem to be made out of the same material as Sony's PS3 headsets which is a plus since they feel nice and soft against my dome.

 

For $99.99 I wasn't expecting the sound to blow me away and I was right. They sound good but not great. They have a kind of thin sound signature. There's a decent amount of bass but it's not deep and won't blow your ear drums. I like that they sound loud and don't really distort too much at max volume. On second thought, I'm not sure if it's slight distortion I hear with explosions or the nature of the thin sound signature. I had no issues locating enemies and other objects in games such as BF4 and COD: Ghost so that was a pleasant surprise.

 

Last of all, I had no issues with voice chat in games. I could hear everyone without issue even with explosions all around me. Although I must mention that I was in a party chat and a couple of buddies commented that they could hear me well but compared to my Astro 5.8 mixamp and a30 headset, it sounded a little "tinny". 

 

As a gaming headset, I'd recommend the Gold PS4 headset. It does well with voice chatting, sounds good for a headset, surprisingly does a nice job with positioning and last of all, it is amazingly easy to hook up with no wires in sight.


I echo your comments.

I grabbed the gold headset earlier today from best buy and feel it's $100 well spent.

Good, but not great sound, but then again I paid good, but not great money for them. ;-)

 

For the convenience they offer they're well worth the $100.

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Half tempted on contacting Sony to see if they'll send me the Gold and the Pulse for review... I should ask Mike who to contact. That, and to also ask them if they have a successor to the MA900 due out in the near future.
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

If the hiss is bothering you that much, then go for 2011. If you can live with the hiss, the 2013 has all the bells and whistles. I personally prefer the least amount of hiss, so I choose the 2011. As for low mic volume... you will need an external amp to remedy this.

 

Thanks Mad.  Will the low efficiency of the K712 mitigate the hiss any appreciable amount?  This will be my first Mixamp so I can't say whether the hiss will be an issue.  Is the implementation of Dolby headphone the same between the 2011 and 2013?  That would be the most important to me, say for example if the 2013 had a new version of DH or that it would be updated via firmware.  On the other hand I saw I can still get the A30/2011 Mixamp combo for $80 at Microsoft (I would sell the A30).  I'm not sure if I care about the EQ presets on the 2013, Pro mode might be worth it.  I guess I'm on the fence looking for a reason to push me one way or another, I don't want to go through switching after picking one.  

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NiteWalker, how is the battery life? I only got to use the Gold PS4 headset for 5 hours or so but from what I can tell, they seem like they will last the full 8 hours as advertised. I'm thinking about purchasing a pair for myself but I already have the 5.8 mixamp and I'm sure Sony is going to release a Platinum PS4 headset. I just don't see them selling only one headset.

 

MLE, I hope Sony sends you a pair. I would like to know what you think of them since you have pretty much listened to who knows how many headphones and headsets and can give a better comparison than anyone I know.

BTW, did you send your Astro a30's back in for repair yet?


Edited by DADDYDC650 - 2/9/14 at 1:00am
post #20790 of 24909
Thread Starter 
Dolby Headphone is the same (console devices all use Dolby Headphone 2), so there is no differences there.

The K712, I haven't heard it, but I don't find the hiss to be problematic at all with my Mixamp 5.8. The 5.8 has a comparable level of hiss as the 2013 Mixamp, so I wouldn't worry too much if you go that route, unless you have a super sensitive headphone.

Daddy, no. I'll probably send them in this week, since my visitors leave today.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/9/14 at 12:12am
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