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post #19981 of 26354
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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

You mention that the Recon3D USB works on console, PC and Mac. I can see it presenting itself to the latter two as a USB soundcard. On the other hand, it receives signals from consoles via optical? This would be a Dolby Digital or DTS signal right? Where does Dolby Headphone or GenAudio Astoundsound come into this? As far as I know these are handled by the computer / console and output a processed stereo output that would only need to be amplified or decoded in the case of a digital output (insofar as all digital output need to be decoded by a DAC like the E18)?

On computers, the Recon3D USB connects via USB like your FiiO DACs, but it has drivers to enable settings and identify it's available resources (surround decoding) to the computer and games. For consoles, it has an optical input that takes the Dolby Digital Live 5.1 signal that would be normally sent to a home theater speaker system. It would be nice to have two optical inputs for two consoles, but that's a secondary goal. Here's basically what we, as consumers, have figured out about these surround processors, with Creative's Sound Blaster Recon3D USB as an example:

- Computer or console sends a Dolby Digital Live (or in some cases a DTS Connect) signal out, digitally. These encoded signals have already split the sounds into positional channels corresponding to where 5.1 or 7.1 speakers would be placed in a typical home theater setup.
- The Recon3D receives that home theater mixed sound, and uses a licensed decoder to understand the DDL or DTS signal
- the Recon3D applies a Head Transfer Related Function (HRTF) encoder to create a stereo virtual surround mix for headphones, the Recon3D's HRTF is called THX TrueStudio Pro (perhaps available for licensing from THX?) but other processors use Dolby Headphone to do the same thing.
- At this point the audio is a common 2 channel stereo mix, so that is transferred to a DAC, and then an Amp.

So basically, the external device needs a processor and some licensed software to convert home theater surround into headphone virtual surround, after that is just basically the hardware which is FiiO's strength and where the current products are weak. OpenAL and TrueAudio are kinda special cases, may be beyond FiiO's scope to implement those (and games have to have been created with support built-in), so I'd suggest just looking at HRTF's that can convert the common home-theater surround. Microphone input with a computer is easy, unfortunately each console is different (I believe the PS3 uses USB? Can anyone confirm?). It might be best for FiiO to start out with a more simple device, like an improved Turtle Beach DSS. Some HRTFs that FiiO may be able to use could be:

- Dolby Headphone (mode 2, or DH2, is used by the Astro Mixamp, Asus Xonar products, Turtle Beach DSS (the first one), Tritton's AX720+ processor, and others)
- Cirrus Logic (headphone surround? Name of the processing isn't clear, Cirrus Logic is the company)
- AstoundSound (by GenAudio, I don't have enough info for you to say it can process any 5.1 or 7.1 mix)
- THX TrueStudio Pro (may be a Creative exclusive, but maybe THX could license it to you?)

FiiO probably could NOT use CMSS-3D or SBX ProStudio, I doubt Creative would license this to a competitor... But who knows? DH isn't my personal 1st place favourite, but I do like it and use it, pretty much everyone here would be happy with DH2 processing. A few of us here thought FiiO was already doing this when your company announced the D5 DAC, but it wasn't what we had hoped (5.1 to 2.0 headphone virtual surround processor and DAC).

Thanks for checking this idea out! Headphones + gaming still has untapped potential, we gamers realize this would be a bit of an expansion to your current target market, but it's awesome to get your attention and we'll try to help if you need it.



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Originally Posted by Moskrilla View Post

Just following up, the AKG 712 Pro's arrived today and sound absolutely incredible. Really appreciate all the replies and the extra info from @evshrug and everyone else!
Rock on man!
Edited by Evshrug - 1/12/14 at 11:09pm
post #19982 of 26354
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Originally Posted by Jason Bourne View Post
 

So I just got the Beyerdynamic 990 Pro's and Im wanting to use them for some late night blu-ray movie viewing (some gaming too) mainly with the PS3 and was wondering what would be the best route in providing them with virtual surround for blu-rays?! Was debating between the 2013 Mixamp Pro or the Creative Sound Blaster Recon3D USB, any input appreciated especially with some running a similar setup.

 

Anyone?

post #19983 of 26354
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Originally Posted by Jason Bourne View Post
 

 

Anyone?

 

It all depends on which kind of surround sound you prefer. The mixamp has Dolby Headphone while the Recon 3D has THX TruStudio Pro. Check the videos provided on the front of the guide and make your choice based on that. Don't let one of us make the decision for you...

 

By the way, Mad, I see (as others have mentioned) that the surround sound processors section is missing/deleted... in case you didn't notice that when they mentioned it. And also, thanks for returning everything safe and sound :)

post #19984 of 26354

Ok so upon further consideration, I think i'm happy to get a reasonable pair of headphones <$150 and pair them with a soundcard or amp.

So for a closed, over ear headphone which is good for gaming, is the CAL! the best?
Is the CAL!2 any good? it has an in line mic i could use for chat i guess.
 

With sound cards the Xonar Asus DG would be best? Is there value in external DAC vs sound card or rather what is the difference in quality?

 

Any recommendations are welcome and help is appreciated!

post #19985 of 26354
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Originally Posted by noswej View Post
 

Ok so upon further consideration, I think i'm happy to get a reasonable pair of headphones <$150 and pair them with a soundcard or amp.

So for a closed, over ear headphone which is good for gaming, is the CAL! the best?
Is the CAL!2 any good? it has an in line mic i could use for chat i guess.
 

With sound cards the Xonar Asus DG would be best? Is there value in external DAC vs sound card or rather what is the difference in quality?

 

Any recommendations are welcome and help is appreciated!


Bear in mind you'd need an adapter to use the mic with a PC if it's designed for phones.

As for soundcards vs external, generally soundcards are a good cheap option (since money isn't spent on box, power supply etc) but in the high end I'd go with an external.

post #19986 of 26354

Hey, just wondering if anyone would review the upcoming audio technica ATH-ADG1 and AG1, the latter being the closed version. 

post #19987 of 26354
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Originally Posted by denois View Post
 

Hello everyone, I'll be buying my first audiophile grade headphones and I need advice.

I narrowed my options down to the X1 and the MA900. They are at a similar price range where I'm getting them from since I have to import them. I'll be getting either a Soundblaster Z or a Xonar DG(X) with them. I'll mostly be using it for gaming (%50), movies and music (%25 and %25 each). I listen to a very wide range of music and while I enjoy a good amount of bass, I wouldn't consider myself a basshead. I like to have good directional audio as I play FPS games quite often however I'm also into single player RPG games so immersion is a big factor as well.

Additional notes: MA900's build quality is a bit of a put off for me but if they are as comfortable as everybody claims they are then that's a fair compromise. X1's look really sexy however the non-replaceable ear pads  concern me as I don't know how long they're going to last.

So which headphone would be the best for me?

Guys, I realize this may have been asked before but I couldn't find a definitive answer. I know it's really subjective, but given my considerations and the similar prices, can anybody help out? (I bought the SBZ)

post #19988 of 26354
Hey, just wondering if anyone would review the upcoming audio technica ATH-ADG1 and AG1, the latter being the closed version. 

They've only been released in Australia so far I believe, and there are precious few reviews of them from down under. Wait till the global release.

 
Guys, I realize this may have been asked before but I couldn't find a definitive answer. I know it's really subjective, but given my considerations and the similar prices, can anybody help out? (I bought the SBZ)

I have the SBZ with the X1 and they pair really well. I've not heard the MA900, but as you'll have read here, you can't go wrong with them. Don't worry about the non-replaceable pads on the X1- keep it on a headstand and they'll last a long time.

post #19989 of 26354
Thread Starter 
I got a little too spoiler tag happy, and forgot to end the last one o the 1840 review, which is why everything is hidden in the last 1840 spoiler tag.

I'll fix it asap.

My phone keeps crashing before I edit, so... should be fixed soonish.

If any of you own the MA900 and want more bass... just get the 1840 pads. The MA900 rumbles like a closed headphone. Still sounds good for competitive gaming, though obviously not as good as the stock pads. Still, the comfort boost is amazing. I could see me using the pads for everything except music.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/13/14 at 7:41am
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Hey guys I just bought the beyerdynamic dt990 pro's and am looking to hook it up to my ps4.  I have a yamaha receiver with silent cinema but I am thinking that I will need more power to have them sound like I would like them to.  Is there an amp that allows me to get dolby 5.1(7.1) to my headphones from the ps4?  I know the Astro mixamp is popular but I don't think it's going to have enough power for them.  Any suggestions?

post #19991 of 26354
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Originally Posted by JBrown2272 View Post
 

Hey guys I just bought the beyerdynamic dt990 pro's and am looking to hook it up to my ps4.  I have a yamaha receiver with silent cinema but I am thinking that I will need more power to have them sound like I would like them to.  Is there an amp that allows me to get dolby 5.1(7.1) to my headphones from the ps4?  I know the Astro mixamp is popular but I don't think it's going to have enough power for them.  Any suggestions?


I'd recommend trying them with your receiver first, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

post #19992 of 26354

Does anyone know if you can get sound out from a OUYA console through usb..my monitor has no speakers, I use dac amp and speakers and my headset. thinking of getting one!


Edited by martin vegas - 1/13/14 at 10:05am
post #19993 of 26354

Thanks for the reply.   Yes that would be awesome if the receiver will work for them.  It will definitely save me some money.  I don't mind spending the money to make them sound good but if I don't have to then that's fine by me as well.

post #19994 of 26354
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post
 

 

It all depends on which kind of surround sound you prefer. The mixamp has Dolby Headphone while the Recon 3D has THX TruStudio Pro. Check the videos provided on the front of the guide and make your choice based on that. Don't let one of us make the decision for you...

 

By the way, Mad, I see (as others have mentioned) that the surround sound processors section is missing/deleted... in case you didn't notice that when they mentioned it. And also, thanks for returning everything safe and sound :)

 

Thanks for the post! I think the Dolby Headphone sounds better, MixAmp it is then! Wondering which amp to throw into the mix now with the Beyerdynamic 990 Pro's + MixAmp, the Fiio E12 or the Schiit Magni. The E12's nice and portable but the Magni can be very easily paired up with the Modi to offer a nice AMP/DAC for non gaming use.... hmmm.... Although Ill probably have to setup an additional ac adapter at my desk so the Magni can easily travel between my PS3 and desktop area.

post #19995 of 26354
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

FiiO probably could NOT use CMSS-3D or SBX ProStudio, I doubt Creative would license this to a competitor... But who knows? DH isn't my personal 1st place favourite, but I do like it and use it, pretty much everyone here would be happy with DH2 processing. A few of us here thought FiiO was already doing this when your company announced the D5 DAC, but it wasn't what we had hoped (5.1 to 2.0 headphone virtual surround processor and DAC).
 
I would have to say, (subjective) that if FiiO was to use DH as it's 3D model going forward, their product would soon be left behind as inferior. I have used all of the above plus others over the last 25 years extensively in the FPS gaming environment via headphones, and in my opinion HD would come last every time out of the current up to date offerings and as you say "isn't my personal favorite". It is not broken, it's just not anywhere near the best and people are wanting better. That being said, I understand there are competitive licensing issues that my stop them using something else, but who knows, times are a changing.
A competitive sound environment is going to require more than DH.

Edited by motorwayne - 1/13/14 at 1:00pm
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