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Originally Posted by retiredat21 View Post

Does anyone know the difference between the creative recon3d and the soundblaster omni surround? Features seem the same.. but im not really sure..

 

Recon3D can be used with consoles. The Omni is computer only. The optical on the Omni is an output.

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Recon3D can be used with consoles. The Omni is computer only. The optical on the Omni is an output.
thanks for the reply.. how about sound quality.. thx surround and sbx surround. Are they the same?
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Hey all, I'm looking for something specific and thought this thread could be the right place to ask. Summary:
- Headphones must be closed and over ear.
- Purpose:  PC Gaming for fun, fps, rts, rpg etc. Movies and music (electro, chill, drum n bass, rock). Must isolate sound.
- I am in Australia, land of the everything overpriced. Amazon does ship, but not all models etc.
- Price range is about $200-300. <$200 is even better
- Have no amp/soundcard

Thanks for any help, it is greatly appreciated!

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thanks for the reply.. how about sound quality.. thx surround and sbx surround. Are they the same?

 

Unfortunately I've never heard the Omni. I'd like to at some point but since I haven't I can't comment on the sound quality or the SBX. THX sounds nice to my ears. The Recon3D is decent at powering headphones, but it's not great. I have run my HD650 directly off it in the past. But that was before I got my E12. And now the E12 is always topped up to be ready for gaming.

 

Random note. I can't talk about specifics, but the soundtrack in Elder Scrolls Online is lovely. The sound design still has a bit to go, but it's getting better.

 

Edit: Oh hey, 1000 posts. Whee.

post #19970 of 24554
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Originally Posted by noswej View Post
 

Hey all, I'm looking for something specific and thought this thread could be the right place to ask. Summary:
- Headphones must be closed and over ear.
- Purpose:  PC Gaming for fun, fps, rts, rpg etc. Movies and music (electro, chill, drum n bass, rock). Must isolate sound.
- I am in Australia, land of the everything overpriced. Amazon does ship, but not all models etc.
- Price range is about $200-300. <$200 is even better
- Have no amp/soundcard

Thanks for any help, it is greatly appreciated!

 

So does the $300 max budget include buying a soundcard and amp?

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The budget includes everything yes. I've never used a soundcard or amp before and thought it would be easier to just get headphones. Is that wrong?

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 Are these any good?

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The budget includes everything yes. I've never used a soundcard or amp before and thought it would be easier to just get headphones. Is that wrong?

 

Well I'd recommend at least having a soundcard that can output in a surround signal. Something that can handle Dolby Headphone, THX TruSurround, CMSS-3D, etc. You can do this easily and relatively cheaply, pair it with a decent starter amp and then get a quality pair of headphones.

 

For example, you can do a nice soundcard that has a decent amp in it and a pair of Creative Aurvana Live for under $250. The CAL aren't power hungry so you don't need a super-amp to drive them.

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Other headfi'ers have suggested mr speakers maddog with no amp/soundcard or the AKG K550 with no amp/soundcard (the no card was my idea, but these were given as good options). This would cost me $330-350 (mrspeaker) or $280 (AKG), would the option you suggested result in better quality all round?

 

 

thanks for the help by the way

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Other headfi'ers have suggested mr speakers maddog with no amp/soundcard or the AKG K550 with no amp/soundcard (the no card was my idea, but these were given as good options). This would cost me $330-350 (mrspeaker) or $280 (AKG), would the option you suggested result in better quality all round?

 

 

thanks for the help by the way

 

My Mad Dogs are super enjoyable for immersive games. No doubt about that. I'd still recommend a surround sound card. If you want to go that route at least get a card like the Asus U3 or a budget internal card to go with them. Surround sound makes a big difference, honestly. Skyrim is AMAZING when you have a good surround processor.

 

I recommend against the K550. I love AKG, but I find the K550 lifeless and dull. And they have loose fit issues. I love both analytical and fun headphones, and the K550 is neither of those.

 

I'd be lying if I said I never ran my Mad Dogs off a computer directly. They're very nice headphones, especially with the Alpha pads. They do benefit from power, but they sound decent without an amp. I don't know prices in Australia on cards, but something like the Asus Xonar DG or the Xonar U3 can be had for $30 in the US and will give you Dolby Headphone. I'm not the most knowledgeable with soundcards; usually Nameless or Purple are the ones to answer those questions.

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Ok, well it looks like i can get an Asus Xonar DG or Xonar U3 for about $30. I have a msi 7673 mother board, is that compatible? Are soundcards easy to install?

If i don't get a soundcard/amp, what would be a good recommendation for a closed, over ear headphone for up to $300?

 

2 of the cheaper headphones on the list are the skullcandy slyr and the audio technica ath-m50, would either of those work without a soundcard/amp?

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Ok, well it looks like i can get an Asus Xonar DG or Xonar U3 for about $30. I have a msi 7673 mother board, is that compatible? Are soundcards easy to install?

If i don't get a soundcard/amp, what would be a good recommendation for a closed, over ear headphone for up to $300?

 

2 of the cheaper headphones on the list are the skullcandy slyr and the audio technica ath-m50, would either of those work without a soundcard/amp?

 

It looks like the MS-7673 does support PCI cards, so the Xonar DG would work with it. The U3 is USB based. And soundcards are super simple to install. Very easy upgrades. Your motherboard has integrated audio, the Realtek® ALC892, so you'll get sound out of it without a dedicated soundcard. Keep in mind by doing this you'll be plugging up to $300 headphones into a $1.50 audio device that can only give you stereo sound at low resolutions. Some people game in stereo but this thread is specifically about gaming with surround sound. No matter what headphones you end up getting I'd recommend having something to give you surround sound.

 

The SLYR and M50 don't require amps. No dynamic headphone requires an amp to produce sound. The amp just improves the quality and volume they produce. With the SLYR and a Xonar DG you'll have a very nice set to get you started. If you don't need the microphone of the SLYR I'd say go with the CAL instead.


Edited by AxelCloris - 1/12/14 at 4:00pm
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We want a better DAC, better amp, multiple inputs, and of course mic input for chat with console support. I'd love for it to have USB input as well for PC and console gaming. There's only one device that I know of that can natively handle console, PC and Mac gaming without additional hardware, and that's the Creative Recon3D USB. I'd love for a device from Fiio that directly competes with it and has multiple inputs with Fiio's better amps and DAC. Currently I have to amp off my Recon3D to get the best sound.

You mention that the Recon3D USB works on console, PC and Mac. I can see it presenting itself to the latter two as a USB soundcard. On the other hand, it receives signals from consoles via optical? This would be a Dolby Digital or DTS signal right? Where does Dolby Headphone or GenAudio Astoundsound come into this? As far as I know these are handled by the computer / console and output a processed stereo output that would only need to be amplified or decoded in the case of a digital output (insofar as all digital output need to be decoded by a DAC like the E18)?
post #19979 of 24554
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You mention that the Recon3D USB works on console, PC and Mac. I can see it presenting itself to the latter two as a USB soundcard. On the other hand, it receives signals from consoles via optical? This would be a Dolby Digital or DTS signal right? Where does Dolby Headphone or GenAudio Astoundsound come into this? As far as I know these are handled by the computer / console and output a processed stereo output that would only need to be amplified or decoded in the case of a digital output (insofar as all digital output need to be decoded by a DAC like the E18)?

 

The Recon3D USB has USB and toslink inputs. It does present itself as a soundcard to computers. For consoles it's simply an external DAC coming in over toslink. It handles THX TruSurround, a competitor of sorts to Dolby Headphone. The computer/comsole handles the Dolby Digital signal and is sent as such to the Recon3D. The same is true for the Astro Mixamp. They take the 5.1 Dolby Digital signal and then decode it. At that point it's processed through the THX TruSurround, Dolby Headphone, or any of the other surround DSPs. I believe this is all done within the DAC circuitry and software. Finally it's sent through the amp and out to the headphones.

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Just following up, the AKG 712 Pro's arrived today and sound absolutely incredible. Really appreciate all the replies and the extra info from @evshrug and everyone else!

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