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post #19921 of 26173

Good petition, Chico, let's try to get more head-fiers involved. 

post #19922 of 26173
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Aaaaannndddd, here it is:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/699717/petition-for-a-gaming-device-from-fiio

 

GOGOGOGO!!!

 

 

I've added an option to "sign" the petition at the top of that thread, so we can collect some of the interest via signatures.

 

 

Everyone interested in this (who wouldn't be) please sign and pass it on.

 

 

Maybe MLE could link to it for a while on the front page to help bump up the view/signature count (*hint hint)?


Edited by chicolom - 1/11/14 at 4:05am
post #19923 of 26173
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Thks a lot Chicolom,

 

I have the talking to the astro guys and they say the mixamp is designed for 32-Ohm headsets. Though both the PC 360 & HD 598 Sennheisers are 50-Ohm... would I lose power, bass or anything if I connect them to the mixamp?

 

If I just use a headphone (no micro), is there any device still valid but cheaper than the mixamp? I mean, I am not sure I am going to use the EQ presets and I am thinking over the micro as well... perhaps I just keep the headphone and that is all... with this config, I would then just need a sufficiently powered source to connect the HD 598 (just to amplify)...

 

thks a lot

 

The mixamp will be fine for most 50 ohm headphones.  In your case, neither of those Sennheisers are particularly hard to drive.

 

If you do NOT need chat support, I'd recommend going with the Turtle Beach DSS (version 1) instead.  It has no options for plugging in a microphone, but it has the exact same surround sound as the mixamp and it can be had for ~$25 from eBay in the US.

 

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2.- Can I use an external micro and connect both Senn headphone + external micro (using a Y adapter) to the mixamp? What micro (other than zalman) would you suggest?

 

3.- Would you recommend between astro a40 & qh-85? But I guess it is preferable any of those 2 Senns above in terms of audio quality, right? Which of both would you recommend for PS4 gaming (esp.  Bf4)?

 

Thks a lot again

 

Two external mic options are the "Deal Extreme Mini Clip-On Microphone", the Antlion Modmic.  There are some more listed on the front page.

 

I wouldn't recommend the A40 simply because it's overpriced.  It performs about on par with a ~80-100 headhpone, but at it's actual price it is beaten by most $100+ headphones - including the Sennheiser PC360 and HD5x8.

 

I haven't heard the QH-85, but it will probably be decent at the $100 mark but may not match the Sennheisers in quality.  FYI the QH-85 is a microphone version of the takstar HI 2050 headphone.

post #19924 of 26173

Speaking about alternative solutions. Is there any headphone device on the market, beyond gaming industries like Tritton, Turtle Beach, Astro etc., which has a DAC and a chat functionality for consoles WITHOUT Dolby Headphone?

 

btw. awesome petition. 'bout f**ing time!

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Speaking about alternative solutions. Is there any headphone device on the market, beyond gaming industries like Tritton, Turtle Beach, Astro etc., which has a DAC and a chat functionality for consoles WITHOUT Dolby Headphone?

 

btw. awesome petition. 'bout f**ing time!

 

I'm not sure.

 

You can turn OFF Dolby Headphone.

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MLE, I'm not seeing the sections about surround sound processors, amps, mics, etc (all the stuff after the headphone reviews) on the guide ATM.  Is it missing for you?

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

The mixamp will be fine for most 50 ohm headphones.  In your case, neither of those Sennheisers are particularly hard to drive.

 

If you do NOT need chat support, I'd recommend going with the Turtle Beach DSS (version 1) instead.  It has no options for plugging in a microphone, but it has the exact same surround sound as the mixamp and it can be had for ~$25 from eBay in the US.

 

 

Two external mic options are the "Deal Extreme Mini Clip-On Microphone", the Antlion Modmic.  There are some more listed on the front page.

 

I wouldn't recommend the A40 simply because it's overpriced.  It performs about on par with a ~80-100 headhpone, but at it's actual price it is beaten by most $100+ headphones - including the Sennheiser PC360 and HD5x8.

 

I haven't heard the QH-85, but it will probably be decent at the $100 mark but may not match the Sennheisers in quality.  FYI the QH-85 is a microphone version of the takstar HI 2050 headphone.

 

Thks again,

 

I have come accross a decent price for dss2, but the specs read as follows:

 

· Game audio frequency response: 20Hz - 20kHz, >120dB SPL @ 1kHz
· Headphone amplifier: Stereo 35mW/ch, THD <1%
· Digital Audio Input: TOSLINK connector compatible with 48kHz Digital Audio Streams

 

Sorry, does it mean that the senn pc 360 which has 15 – 28000 Hz or the hd 598 with 12 - 38500 Hz will be forced to come down to 20-20k Hz? If so, I think (I am a layman) the human ear is unable to capture all that spectrum (I mean 12-38.5, though I do not know how much we can and how much we cannot), but do you think that is a material loss when gaming? I fear that if I get a Senn and then force it to become something "standard"...

 

Besides, does dss2 allow for a mic connection, either that integrated in pc 360 or a mini clip-on (btw, thks a lot for the mic advice)? I have read somewhere that it is possible, but I am unsure... perhaps in a dss2 connector called "auxiliary input"...

 

Thks a lot, I highly appreciate your advice

 

EDIT: Also, the DSS2 has a headphone output of 16 Ohms, is that an issue (Senn's impedance: 50 Ohms)?


Edited by ecjcc - 1/11/14 at 7:20am
post #19929 of 26173

Don't worry about the frequency response numbers.

post #19930 of 26173

What's the consensus on the Sennheiser PC350 Special Edition? Looking for a headset ideally as my desktop mic picks up absolutely everything so I can't really talk to people on Skype for it picking up my dog / vacuum cleaner etc. Dropped in price on Amazon.co.uk recently to £120.


Edited by Mackem - 1/11/14 at 8:39am
post #19931 of 26173
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

MLE, I'm not seeing the sections about surround sound processors, amps, mics, etc (all the stuff after the headphone reviews) on the guide ATM.  Is it missing for you?

 

I don't see it either. It may have broken when he added in the 1840 review.

post #19932 of 26173
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Thks again,

 

I have come accross a decent price for dss2, but the specs read as follows:

 

· Game audio frequency response: 20Hz - 20kHz, >120dB SPL @ 1kHz
· Headphone amplifier: Stereo 35mW/ch, THD <1%
· Digital Audio Input: TOSLINK connector compatible with 48kHz Digital Audio Streams

 

Sorry, does it mean that the senn pc 360 which has 15 – 28000 Hz or the hd 598 with 12 - 38500 Hz will be forced to come down to 20-20k Hz? If so, I think (I am a layman) the human ear is unable to capture all that spectrum (I mean 12-38.5, though I do not know how much we can and how much we cannot), but do you think that is a material loss when gaming? I fear that if I get a Senn and then force it to become something "standard"...

 

Besides, does dss2 allow for a mic connection, either that integrated in pc 360 or a mini clip-on (btw, thks a lot for the mic advice)? I have read somewhere that it is possible, but I am unsure... perhaps in a dss2 connector called "auxiliary input"...

 

Thks a lot, I highly appreciate your advice

 

EDIT: Also, the DSS2 has a headphone output of 16 Ohms, is that an issue (Senn's impedance: 50 Ohms)?

 

Don't worry about the frequency response specs.

 

The "aux input" on the DSS is not for mics, it's for analog input signals (like an mp3 player).  AFAIK the only way to use a mic with the DSS is through the USB input, but I don't know how that works exactly as your headset has to be a USB headset similar to the Turtle Beach ones.

 

The reason I specifically recommended the DSS version 1, is because the DSS 1 uses Dolby Headphone which is a proven surround sound DSP.  The DSS 2 dropped Dolby Headphone support and went with a less popular DSP called "Cirrus Logic" surround.  I haven't heard it, but from I reports I've read on it Dolby Headphone from the version1 is the better DSP.

 

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Originally Posted by Mackem View Post
 

What's the consensus on the Sennheiser PC350 Special Edition? Looking for a headset ideally as my desktop mic picks up absolutely everything so I can't really talk to people on Skype for it picking up my dog / vacuum cleaner etc. Dropped in price on Amazon.co.uk recently to £120.

 

It's a PC350, which is a closed PC360, which is like a Sennheiser HD5x5.  The closed sennheisers (like PC350) have a smaller muddier soundstage than they're open counterparts. 

 

I think by design most boom mics should pick up less up noise desktop mics.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad-lust-envys-headphone-gaming-guide-updated-1-9-2014-shure-srh1840-added/19080#post_10075559

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

Don't worry about the frequency response specs.

 

The "aux input" on the DSS is not for mics, it's for analog input signals (like an mp3 player).  AFAIK the only way to use a mic with the DSS is through the USB input, but I don't know how that works exactly as your headset has to be a USB headset similar to the Turtle Beach ones.

 

The reason I specifically recommended the DSS version 1, is because the DSS 1 uses Dolby Headphone which is a proven surround sound DSP.  The DSS 2 dropped Dolby Headphone support and went with a less popular DSP called "Cirrus Logic" surround.  I haven't heard it, but from I reports I've read on it Dolby Headphone from the version1 is the better DSP.

 

 

It's a PC350, which is a closed PC360, which is like a Sennheiser HD5x5.  The closed sennheisers (like PC350) have a smaller muddier soundstage than they're open counterparts. 

 

I think by design most boom mics should pick up less up noise desktop mics.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad-lust-envys-headphone-gaming-guide-updated-1-9-2014-shure-srh1840-added/19080#post_10075559

Yeah I need a closed headset for gaming on a night since I share a room (Not by choice believe me..). I was going to get something like the M-Audio Q40s and change the earpads since the clamp is really strong out of the box and the ear pads aren't deep enough for my big ears. I can get the Q40s on sale in the UK for £49. I know they're closed and might not be optimal for gaming, but I figured I might as well get something that is good for music since I don't play a lot of games that require positional accuracy. Add something like a Modmic to them and I might be golden. 

 

Not sure what to do though.

post #19934 of 26173
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Originally Posted by Mackem View Post
 

Yeah I need a closed headset for gaming on a night since I share a room (Not by choice believe me..). I was going to get something like the M-Audio Q40s and change the earpads since the clamp is really strong out of the box and the ear pads aren't deep enough for my big ears. I can get the Q40s on sale in the UK for £49. I know they're closed and might not be optimal for gaming, but I figured I might as well get something that is good for music since I don't play a lot of games that require positional accuracy. Add something like a Modmic to them and I might be golden. 

 

Not sure what to do though.

 

I see.

 

You should check out the Sound Magic HP100.  They're closed have a surprisingly good soundstage for a closed headphone FWIR.

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

I see.

 

You should check out the Sound Magic HP100.  They're closed have a surprisingly good soundstage for a closed headphone FWIR.

I looked at those, but from the initial demo I had, the Q40s sounded like a less comfortable but better sounding DT770 Pro 80 in that they didn't sound distant / recessed. I think stretching out the Q40s and getting some deeper pads will be ideal, especially considering at the price I'm getting them it's a third of the price of the HP100 and almost a third of the price of the DT770 Pros.

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