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Has anybody used an Amp with the Astro mixamp? my setup is Astro mixamp > M-Stage and with PC360 and X1

The problem is, I lose pinpoint accuracy when using an amp after the mixamp. Surround is still there but I cant tell where the sound is coming from.

Anybody have the same experience? It sucks that I can't use my amp with the mixamp.
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Originally Posted by 1llest View Post

Has anybody used an Amp with the Astro mixamp? my setup is Astro mixamp > M-Stage and with PC360 and X1

The problem is, I lose pinpoint accuracy when using an amp after the mixamp. Surround is still there but I cant tell where the sound is coming from.

Anybody have the same experience? It sucks that I can't use my amp with the mixamp.

 

I've used an amp after the mixamp, and I know many others here have as well. I can't say I've come across this issue as the amps that I used never altered the positional queues. That said, I've never used the M-Stage with the mixamp. Chicolom has used that combination and may be able to weigh in more.

 

As for your setup, do you have a second amp you can use, even a portable one, to see if you can recreate the issue using a different configuration? Troubleshooting works best changing one link in the chain at a time.

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Originally Posted by AxelCloris View Post

I've used an amp after the mixamp, and I know many others here have as well. I can't say I've come across this issue as the amps that I used never altered the positional queues. That said, I've never used the M-Stage with the mixamp. Chicolom has used that combination and may be able to weigh in more.

As for your setup, do you have a second amp you can use, even a portable one, to see if you can recreate the issue using a different configuration? Troubleshooting works best changing one link in the chain at a time.

What amp have you used with the Mixamp?

Im trying to get my hands on a Fiio E17 at the moment and will test it with the mixamp. It just sucks that my M-Stage alters the positional queue. It makes the sound appear closer than they should be which throws me off and hard to tell where the sound is coming from anything that is nearby. Very weird.
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Thread Starter 
The E17 is not powerful enough to gain any significant volume over the Mixamp. Power requirements for extra volume scales up exponentially as more decibels are needed. For that, you need no less than something like an E12. More would be better.
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The E17 is not powerful enough to gain any significant volume over the Mixamp. Power requirements for extra volume scales up exponentially as more decibels are needed. For that, you need no less than something like an E12. More would be better.

Thanks MLE. What would be a step up after the E12? Just looking at options
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Originally Posted by 1llest View Post


What amp have you used with the Mixamp?

Im trying to get my hands on a Fiio E17 at the moment and will test it with the mixamp. It just sucks that my M-Stage alters the positional queue. It makes the sound appear closer than they should be which throws me off and hard to tell where the sound is coming from anything that is nearby. Very weird.

 

With the Mixamp I've used the amp in my Aune T1 and Schiit Magni. I've since passed along the Mixamp but I've used the E12 and iCan with my Recon3D USB.

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Thread Starter 
Dunno how much you're willing to spend. The E12 is priced somewhat similarly to the E9K, Magni, and Vali, all which are small desktop amps which have more power than the E12. If you don't need portability, I'd get one of those instead.
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Looks like im gonna be going with the e17 then. More questions.. do i need to buy anything else aside from the u3 and the e17 to have it working with the laptop? This is actually my first time doing this and my first time buying a dac and amp so i really have no idea.. thank you!
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Dunno how much you're willing to spend. The E12 is priced somewhat similarly to the E9K, Magni, and Vali, all which are small desktop amps which have more power than the E12. If you don't need portability, I'd get one of those instead.

Ive been wanting to try the Vali to compliment my X1 maybe I will get that next, need to read up on it more about pairing it with the X1.

Now my question is, is there any rca switch i can buy so i dont have to keep switching rca cables from the m-stage and vali? Maybe an RCA splitter, but I am not sure if that would degrade the sound. I am planning to use my m-stage as preamp for my studio monitors and the vali for the mixamp and X1.
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Originally Posted by 1llest View Post


Ive been wanting to try the Vali to compliment my X1 maybe I will get that next, need to read up on it more about pairing it with the X1.

Now my question is, is there any rca switch i can buy so i dont have to keep switching rca cables from the m-stage and vali? Maybe an RCA splitter, but I am not sure if that would degrade the sound. I am planning to use my m-stage as preamp for my studio monitors and the vali for the mixamp and X1.

 

It pairs better with harder to drive headphones. I had it for a short while, and when I paired it with my easy headphones I didn't care for it at all. The humming never went away on my IEMs. But it's a nice amp. Sounded very nice with my HD650. The X1 is a good deal more sensitive, so it may not pair well, but I can't say.

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Originally Posted by exSpire View Post
 


Would there be a difference in games (FPS) with this situation?

from Soundcard > Headphones; moving to USB DAC > Amp > Headphones

 

I read here and there suggestions to go with SPDIF from soundcard into DAC but in another place I read that there won't be any difference.

I mean there would obviously be the difference in quality from a crappy onboard soundcard to a decent DAC. What I mean is, in terms of sound cues about players positions, would there be any difference?

 

Thanks a lot in advance!

 

Does your soundcard have surround sound DSPs?  Because if so, the difference will be that you'll LOSE that surround sound when using a USB DAC.

 

If your soundcard does NOT have surround sound, then you may get a marginal improvement in soundstage and positioning with a USB DAC and amp.  It won't be as much of an improvement as adding in virtual surround sound though.

 

 

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Originally Posted by 1llest View Post

Has anybody used an Amp with the Astro mixamp? my setup is Astro mixamp > M-Stage and with PC360 and X1

The problem is, I lose pinpoint accuracy when using an amp after the mixamp. Surround is still there but I cant tell where the sound is coming from.

Anybody have the same experience? It sucks that I can't use my amp with the mixamp.

 

I use the same setup with my M-stage.  So does Change is Good. 

 

The M-stage is one of the BEST amps I've used for double amping, and it's able to increase the soundstaeg size the most out of all the amps I've double amped with.

 

So something sounds off with your setup.

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by 1llest View Post


Im trying to get my hands on a Fiio E17 at the moment and will test it with the mixamp. It just sucks that my M-Stage alters the positional queue. It makes the sound appear closer than they should be which throws me off and hard to tell where the sound is coming from anything that is nearby. Very weird.

 

 

My M-stages does the exact opposite.  It expands the soundstage size by several feet in all directions compared to plugging in directly into the mixamp.

 

So again, something seems off. :blink:

 

 

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Originally Posted by 1llest View Post


Now my question is, is there any rca switch i can buy so i dont have to keep switching rca cables from the m-stage and vali? Maybe an RCA splitter, but I am not sure if that would degrade the sound. I am planning to use my m-stage as preamp for my studio monitors and the vali for the mixamp and X1.

 

 

Check out the TCC TC-716 6-Way Stereo Source Selector:

http://www.amazon.com/TC-716-Stereo-Selector-BLACK-VERSION/dp/B0001F347K

 

I have this and I love it. 

 

Just plug all your sources and all your amps into it, then mix and route them as you please.  It's a completely passive device (no electronics inside) so it doesn't affect/degrade the sound.  It's just like a box of switchable interconnects.

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Originally Posted by 1llest View Post

Has anybody used an Amp with the Astro mixamp? my setup is Astro mixamp > M-Stage and with PC360 and X1

The problem is, I lose pinpoint accuracy when using an amp after the mixamp. Surround is still there but I cant tell where the sound is coming from.

Anybody have the same experience? It sucks that I can't use my amp with the mixamp.

My two cents and best guess.

You might need to turn up the source and Mix-amps volumes up to as high as possible (75% or higher) and use the M-Stages volume knob to control volume.

So first turn down the volume on the M-Stage to zero, then turn up the source/mix-amp volume controls, then try turning up the M-stage's volume knob.

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PS4/Xbox One headphone. PLYR1 vs CAL 2 or Philips X1? I'd like to use the X1 but adding an additional mic and possibly and amp would make that setup even more expensive.
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

Does your soundcard have surround sound DSPs?  Because if so, the difference will be that you'll LOSE that surround sound when using a USB DAC.

If your soundcard does NOT have surround sound, then you may get a marginal improvement in soundstage and positioning with a USB DAC and amp.  It won't be as much of an improvement as adding in virtual surround sound though.



I use the same setup with my M-stage.  So does Change is Good. 

The M-stage is one of the BEST amps I've used for double amping, and it's able to increase the soundstaeg size the most out of all the amps I've double amped with.

So something sounds off with your setup.






My M-stages does the exact opposite.  It expands the soundstage size by several feet in all directions compared to plugging in directly into the mixamp.

So again, something seems off. blink.gif




Check out the TCC TC-716 6-Way Stereo Source Selector:
http://www.amazon.com/TC-716-Stereo-Selector-BLACK-VERSION/dp/B0001F347K

I have this and I love it. 

Just plug all your sources and all your amps into it, then mix and route them as you please.  It's a completely passive device (no electronics inside) so it doesn't affect/degrade the sound.  It's just like a box of switchable interconnects.

Yeah it looks like something is off but I dont know what it is! Everything works fine when just using the mixamp but when I add the m-stage after the mixamp then everything changes.

xbox 360 > astro mixamp 2013 edition.

Are you using the latest mixamp?

Thanks for the switch recommendation. Will definitely give that one a try.
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

My two cents and best guess.
You might need to turn up the source and Mix-amps volumes up to as high as possible (75% or higher) and use the M-Stages volume knob to control volume.
So first turn down the volume on the M-Stage to zero, then turn up the source/mix-amp volume controls, then try turning up the M-stage's volume knob.

Will try to do more troubleshooting when I get back home from work. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

Does your soundcard have surround sound DSPs?  Because if so, the difference will be that you'll LOSE that surround sound when using a USB DAC.

If your soundcard does NOT have surround sound, then you may get a marginal improvement in soundstage and positioning with a USB DAC and amp.  It won't be as much of an improvement as adding in virtual surround sound though.



I use the same setup with my M-stage.  So does Change is Good. 

The M-stage is one of the BEST amps I've used for double amping, and it's able to increase the soundstaeg size the most out of all the amps I've double amped with.

So something sounds off with your setup.






My M-stages does the exact opposite.  It expands the soundstage size by several feet in all directions compared to plugging in directly into the mixamp.

So again, something seems off. blink.gif




Check out the TCC TC-716 6-Way Stereo Source Selector:
http://www.amazon.com/TC-716-Stereo-Selector-BLACK-VERSION/dp/B0001F347K

I have this and I love it. 

Just plug all your sources and all your amps into it, then mix and route them as you please.  It's a completely passive device (no electronics inside) so it doesn't affect/degrade the sound.  It's just like a box of switchable interconnects.

Makes me happy to know wink.gif
I just ordered the 2014 M-Stage with the DAC module wink.gif
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