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I blew both my KSC35's drivers... I didn't realize they were plugged into my laptop, and my laptop doesn't lower the volume when things are plugged into the headphone jack. I tend to run my laptop at max volume when using the built in speakers. Long story short... yeah...

 

Holy crap!   How powerful is your laptop?!

 

My laptop can only dream of blowing drivers.

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The drivers on the 35s are super loud at like 25 volume on my laptop. The laptop was at 100%... So it was a HELL of a lot of sudden power pushed to the Koss drivers, which you know aren't the strongest drivers out there. They are prone to rattle for any reason, and with this incident... well... yeah.

I take special care of all my headphones, though I'm a bit abusive to my Koss clip ons, but not THIS abusive.

They are my basically 8 hour a day workhorse headphones, so it hurts me a LOT that they're damaged, and I have to wait. My original KSC35 has been messed up basically all year (left driver doesn't work, and exposed wire on the same side), but I was waiting for either the KSC75 or my Sportapro to mess up. Now's the time to get them fixed... though obviously, the 75 was gutted for parts for my PX175.

I sent Koss an email to see if I just have to pay to ship once for both cans, or if I have to pay for both. Still, $18 for two KSC35s (one being sent as a Sportapro) is nothing.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 11/22/13 at 12:15am
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So if i got K702 together with the STX soundcard and EHP-O2 amp would that work nice or do i still need something else ? Also would i need the STX or could i get a slightly cheaper soundcard like the Asus Xonar DX ? And how big is the difference between k712 pro and the k702 ? In swedish stores the k712 pro costs like 200$ more then the k702 would the 200$ be worth it ?


Edited by Hoffen00 - 11/22/13 at 12:49am
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So if i got K702 together with the STX soundcard and EHP-O2 amp would that work nice or do i still need something else ? Also would i need the STX or could i get a slightly cheaper soundcard like the Asus Xonar DX ? And how big is the difference between k712 pro and the k702 ? In swedish stores the k712 pro costs like 200$ more then the k702 would the 200$ be worth it ?

Buying the STX and the O2 is moot, as the STX already has a powerful amp, and the O2 isn't exactly a good match for the K702 FWIH. If anything, you don't need the STX. Since you're using an external amp, buy something like the DG instead. Also, it'd be best if you bought an external dac with an optical input, that way you don't have to double amp from the soundcard to your amplifier.

Something like the DG -> optical out -> dac with optical input -> amp
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Buying the STX and the O2 is moot, as the STX already has a powerful amp, and the O2 isn't exactly a good match for the K702 FWIH. If anything, you don't need the STX. Since you're using an external amp, buy something like the DG instead. Also, it'd be best if you bought an external dac with an optical input, that way you don't have to double amp from the soundcard to your amplifier.

Something like the DG -> optical out -> dac with optical input -> amp

My motherboard does not have a PCI slot so i would need to go for something with PCIE 1x like Asus Xonar DX or Asus Xonar DGX which should be fine aswell instead of the Dg ? Which amp should i get then if not the O2 ? And I dont really know which dac i should take so can you give some examples. When you say optical out thats just a cable between the soundcard and the dac and then another cable between dac to amp and then headphones ?


Edited by Hoffen00 - 11/22/13 at 5:52am
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After surfing the internet for what feels like years, I've decided on a pair of Sony MA-900s mostly for gaming (all genres) but also for movies/music too. I'll be playing on the PC for the majority but will also be doing some console gaming.

 

I've got a few questions that I'm hoping somebody can clarify for me.

 

I've got the Asus Xonar DGX in my PC and have read that the Soundblaster Z is great for gaming, currently on offer at £60. Is it worth the upgrade? I play a lot of CS and thoroughly enjoy hearing positional cues when gaming.

 

Secondly, when I purchase my MA900's would I need any kind of Virtual Surround Sound devices to use with my console? Would the same thing work well with my PC and therefore skip the soundcard?

 

I'm buying the MA900's later today, so excited to jump in!

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Dunno about the Creative soundcards. I'd be happy with that Xonar card you already have.

Yes, you will need a virtual surround device for consoles. Cheapest being a used Turtle Beach DSS on Ebay, for around $25. No voice chat for anything that isn't a Turtle Beach headset.
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Thanks for the speedy reply, I may just hold off on the sound card option then. It was that I've been lead to believe that the Soundblaster Z is a top notch card for placement when compared to the Xonar.

 

Just to check, "no voice chat for anything that isn't Turtle Beach", is that when using a Turtle Beach DSS? So that means that if I go a bit more upmarket I can use voice chat?


Edited by aaaronlucas - 11/22/13 at 5:48am
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Thanks for the speedy reply, I may just hold off on the sound card option then. It was that I've been lead to believe that the Soundblaster Z is a top notch card for placement when compared to the Xonar.

Just to check, "no voice chat for anything that isn't Turtle Beach", is that when using a Turtle Beach DSS? So that means that if I go a bit more upmarket I can use voice chat?

You can always use USB mics or PS Eye
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After surfing the internet for what feels like years, I've decided on a pair of Sony MA-900s mostly for gaming (all genres) but also for movies/music too. I'll be playing on the PC for the majority but will also be doing some console gaming.

I've got a few questions that I'm hoping somebody can clarify for me.

I've got the Asus Xonar DGX in my PC and have read that the Soundblaster Z is great for gaming, currently on offer at £60. Is it worth the upgrade? I play a lot of CS and thoroughly enjoy hearing positional cues when gaming.

Secondly, when I purchase my MA900's would I need any kind of Virtual Surround Sound devices to use with my console? Would the same thing work well with my PC and therefore skip the soundcard?

I'm buying the MA900's later today, so excited to jump in!
Do you use Dolby Headphone on your DGX? If you like it, the DX would be a better upgrade. The DX and Z both sound better than the DGX, but only the Xonar cards have Dolby Headphone.
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So if i got K702 together with the STX sound card and EHP-O2 amp would that work nice or do i still need something else ? Also would i need the STX or could i get a slightly cheaper sound card like the Asus Xonar DX ? And how big is the difference between k712 pro and the k702 ? In swedish stores the k712 pro costs like 200$ more then the k702 would the 200$ be worth it ?

Maybe get the Audio-GD NFB-15.32 external DAC/amp ($255+shipping).

You can connect it to just about any low cost sound card, or even directly to your computer's motherboard.

As it has USB and S/PDIF (optical and coaxial) inputs, can be used with more then just your Win PC.

Dual WM8741 DAC chips and a headphone amplifier that easily drives my 600-Ohm headphones.

http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFB1532/NFB15.32EN.htm

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Maybe get the Audio-GD NFB-15.32 external DAC/amp ($255+shipping).

You can connect it to just about any low cost sound card, or even directly to your computer's motherboard.

As it has USB and S/PDIF (optical and coaxial) inputs, can be used with more then just your Win PC.

Dual WM8741 DAC chips and a headphone amplifier that easily drives my 600-Ohm headphones.

http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFB1532/NFB15.32EN.htm

So geting this Audio-GD NFB-15.32 + lets say soundcard: PCI-E 1x Asus Xonar DX or Asus Xonar DGX and then K702 would work great ? Nothing else would be needed yes ?

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My motherboard does not have a PCI slot so i would need to go for something with PCIE 1x like Asus Xonar DX or Asus Xonar DGX which should be fine aswell instead of the Dg ? Which amp should i get then if not the O2 ? And I dont really know which dac i should take so can you give some examples. When you say optical out thats just a cable between the soundcard and the dac and then another cable between dac to amp and then headphones ?
You got the wiring setup correct. Optical is the port and cable that uses fibre optics and red light to send a digital signal out (light blinks on/off, binary like all digital signals), so you'd need a DAC with an optical input too. I'm not aware of what choices there are in the market for good/inexpensive DAC with optical input... you'll want to ask in the DAC forums.

Personally, I'd budget for a good Soundcard (with analogue and optical outs) and Amp now, and pick up a separate DAC later. The O2 is a technically very good amp, it's just that it's quite neutral and some people prefer using an amp with the K702 that adds some warmth. I thought the FiiO E12 sounds nice with nice options for my Q701 (the FiiO E09k, which I haven't tried, looks good on paper), and my tube amp is my favorite to use. If you want more options that synergize well with the K702, you can ask in the amp forum or the K702 appreciation thread.

Anyway, it's cool you've made a headphone choice, I really love my AKGs for gaming AND everything else, I think you will too!
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Originally Posted by aaaronlucas View Post

After surfing the internet for what feels like years, I've decided on a pair of Sony MA-900s mostly for gaming (all genres) but also for movies/music too. I'll be playing on the PC for the majority but will also be doing some console gaming.

I've got a few questions that I'm hoping somebody can clarify for me.

I've got the Asus Xonar DGX in my PC and have read that the Soundblaster Z is great for gaming, currently on offer at £60. Is it worth the upgrade? I play a lot of CS and thoroughly enjoy hearing positional cues when gaming.

Secondly, when I purchase my MA900's would I need any kind of Virtual Surround Sound devices to use with my console? Would the same thing work well with my PC and therefore skip the soundcard?

I'm buying the MA900's later today, so excited to jump in!


The choice between Creative and Asus essentially boils down to THX/SBX headphone surround or Dolby headphone surround. It's harder to find good samples of Creative's surround processing, but I've collected samples of YouTube videos in my journal thread (linked in my signature) so you can choose your preference. Personally, I chose a Creative Recon3D USB because it works with Windows, Mac, and consoles (except the new XB One), and overall I prefer it's processing over DH, but processing really is down to personal preference. I just got a Sound Blaster Z for my computer, it's too early to report anything except that it's good. The DAC is technically better than the Recon3D USB (and several of the lower end Xonar products), but as I've only had the time to use it once I haven't really been able to pick out how it makes an improvement. I doubt the upgrade from DGX to Z would be significant, unless (like me) you prefer Creative's processing and driver software.

What console do you play?
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So geting this Audio-GD NFB-15.32 + lets say soundcard: PCI-E 1x Asus Xonar DX or Asus Xonar DGX and then K702 would work great ? Nothing else would be needed yes ?

 
 
The brother of the NFB-15.32 is the NFB-11.32, which sounds great with the K702 Annies. It has a single Sabre ES9018 DAC and has no problem driving anything I've plugged into it. From what few users have posted, the 11.32 has a bit more detail and neutrality over the warmer 15.32. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Audio-GD product if I was in the market for one. 

 

Either unit + the sound card would be all you need. 


Edited by Murder Mike - 11/22/13 at 8:23am
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I also forgot to ask which ones would be better for (PC) FPS gaming K702, K712 or Q701 ? Right now my choise is between one of those headsets and then PCI-E 1x Asus Xonar DX or Asus Xonar DGX  and NFB-15.32 or NFB-11.32.


Edited by Hoffen00 - 11/22/13 at 10:48am
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