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post #17521 of 26159
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

 

Mad Dogs won't work for portability reasons. I mean I am planning to use them portable first hand and I am not gonna spending some money on portable gear any time soon.

 

900X can be powered by my lowly Clip+. Mad Dogs, on the other hand... no way, right?

 

They are just releasing the Alpha Dogs which are an improvement to them but are way above my budget.

 

That said, I'd love to hear the Mad Dogs some day, but probably not now... Would be a waste IMO :/


they actually sound ok out of the sansa clip zip but you have to have the volume at max.

post #17522 of 26159
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post
 

Hey chico,

 

If you were to have to choose between the M-Stage and iCAN which would it be? I just ordered the Asgard 2 to pair with my MDs and will be looking to sell one of them. I am leaning towards keeping the M-Stage because it pairs so well with the K712.

 

I'm going to miss those switches on the iCAN, though. The choice will not be easy... but one must go.

 

Of course, I will be thoroughly testing the iCAN before selling (if I do decide to sell it) beforehand to make sure there aren't any issues like the other day. So far everything has been working just fine. I think I might still send it in for replacement, though... just for peace of mind.

 

That's a tough choice.  If I had to sell one I think it would be the M-stage, because I use the iCan a lot more often.   I just can't see myself selling it when I use the switches on it all the time for music and movies/shows.  I do like the M-stage better for gaming and when NOT using the switches (straight amping), but that's a smaller percentage of my usage/time.

 

 

I think there's going to be more overlap between the M-stage and Asgard2 than with the iCan, so if it were me I'd sell one of those two "plain" desktop amps.

 

If it were me I would definitely wait and compare the M-stage and Asgard 2 directly before I decided to sell anything.  The differences between two decent solid state amps are way too subtle to really compare them from memory.  Without being able to compare the iCan and M-stage directly, I really couldn't tell you if there was any difference in their sound.  The same could likely be true for the M-stage and Asgard 2. 

 

Most of the "M-stage Vs. Asgard" comparisons I've seen usually favor the M-stage.  And FWIR the Asgard 2 isn't that different sounding than the Asgard 1.  Yeah, maybe the extra power from the Asgard will make an audible improvement with Mad Dogs, but maybe not.  So I'd compare them first.


Edited by chicolom - 10/21/13 at 7:29pm
post #17523 of 26159
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Originally Posted by Mackem View Post
 

The Fidelio X1s look immense but they're open :( One of the main problems I often find with headphones is that they press the arms of my glasses into the side of my head, making my glasses feel like they're squashed up against my head. I'd love a super comfortable pair of headphones for music and gaming but I tend to end up getting IEMs simply because they don't interfere with my glasses, don't cause me discomfort and nobody near me can hear what I am listening to. 

 

Sigh.


I'm also using glasses, and that is the reason why I'm very picky for full size cans.

X1 clamp is not that hard, just right. It doesn't press my glasses hand and no discomfort at all for me. DT990 pro also comfortable for glasses user like us.

Unlike the M50, even with the stretch mod, its still very painful because its pressing my glasses rather hard.

post #17524 of 26159
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

That's a tough choice.  If I had to sell one I think it would be the M-stage, because I use the iCan a lot more often.   I just can't see myself selling it when I use the switches on it all the time for music and movies/shows.  I do like the M-stage better for gaming and when NOT using the switches (straight amping), but that's a smaller percentage of my usage/time.

 

 

I think there's going to be more overlap between the M-stage and Asgard2 than with the iCan, so if it were me I'd sell one of those two "plain" desktop amps.

 

If it were me I would definitely wait and compare the M-stage and Asgard 2 directly before I decided to sell anything.  The differences between two decent solid state amps are way too subtle to really compare them from memory.  Without being able to compare the iCan and M-stage directly, I really couldn't tell you if there was any difference in their sound.  The same could likely be true for the M-stage and Asgard 2.

 

Most of the "M-stage Vs. Asgard" comparisons I've seen usually favor the M-stage.  And FWIR the Asgard 2 isn't that different sounding than the Asgard 1.  Yeah, maybe the extra power from the Asgard will make an audible improvement with Mad Dogs, but maybe not.  So I'd compare them first.

 

Oh, I will definitely not be selling either the M-Stage or iCAN until I compare them to the AG2.

 

If the AG2 does not make an audible improvement to the MDs with its extra power than it will be returned. If it does, however, then that is when the decision will be difficult.

 

You see, I also was thinking the M-Stage would be the one to go because of the iCAN's switches. But, like you, the M-Stage pairs better with the K712 than the iCAN to me when gaming. I, however, use the M-Stage much more for gaming than the iCAN with its switches on. The extra bass is nice when watching movies and such, but the 3D effect sounds almost artificial when using Dolby Headphone at the same time (so I barely use it when gaming). I get more satisfaction from the M-Stage and its natural openness in that regard, hence why the iCAN is on my desk for music rather than on my gaming rig. My desk is where the AG2 will be going as that is where my MDs are used the most... for my genre taste of music.

 

This is when having two "plain" desktop amps won't be as overlapping for me, because each is specifically paired to match with a certain headphone and also for a specific purpose. Plus, both rigs are in different stations... not on the same desk.

 

If things go as I expect it will still be hard to let the iCAN go, though...

 

Decisions, decisions...


Edited by Change is Good - 10/21/13 at 8:32pm
post #17525 of 26159
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Got my babies back!

Oh, how much I missed them!

Yes, I use plural when I speak of headphones. SUE ME.

I'm so happy for you, Sue!
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No. ONLY LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

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Obey the overlord, obey, obey....
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Originally Posted by Mackem View Post

frown.gif One of the main problems I often find with headphones is that they press the arms of my glasses into the side of my head...
You ever consider... Different glasses frames? Kinda like those Gunnar gaming glasses, the frame is thin (and maybe close to your head) so they just slip right in under earpads.

Just thinking out of the box.
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Yes, I know I had to shave that day. biggrin.gif

I thought you were going for the manly/ dangerous look.
post #17526 of 26159
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post

 

If the AG2 does not make an audible improvement to the MDs with its extra power than it will be returned. If it does, however, then that is when the decision will be difficult.

 

This is when having two "plain" desktop amps won't be as overlapping for me, because each is specifically paired to match with a certain headphone and also for a specific purpose. Plus, both rigs are in different stations... not on the same desk.

 

If things go as I expect it will still be hard to let the iCAN go, though...

 

Decisions, decisions...

 

 

I see. 

 

I guess it will all come down to whether the Asgard gives any noticeable audible improvements to the Mad Dogs.  :popcorn:

 

 

For me the effect of the iCan's 3D soundstage switch is more significant, noticeable, and valuable than the effect of just jumping from one $250 solid state amp to another one.  In other words, in my experience jumping between two equally-priced "plain" solid state amps is too subtle a change for me to justify owing them both.  However, i CAN justify (<- get it? ;)) keeping both the M-stage and iCan as they offer more distinct differences in sound and thus how I use them.

 

I haven't used Mad Dogs though, so I don't know how significant a difference they will show between two amps like the M-stage and Asgard 2. 

I just know that I like the iCan enough that it would take a pretty special sounding amp to sound more special than it does for certain music/movies/shows.


Edited by chicolom - 10/21/13 at 9:48pm
post #17527 of 26159
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

I haven't used Mad Dogs though, so I don't know how significant a difference they will show between two amps like the M-stage and Asgard 2.

I just know that I like the iCan enough that it would take a pretty special sounding amp to sound more special than it does for certain music/movies/shows.

 

Yeah, with the MD being a planar and power hungry that is why I scratched the itch and went with something a bit more powerful. Whether I went powerful enough to justify any improvement or not is the question at hand.

 

MLE, you have enough experience with planars and high powered amps right? What are your thoughts? Will the AG2 be a nice enough jump in output power to justify any improvements on the MD? I know you haven't used any of these amps being discussed, but your experience with the issue at hand could help me out.


Edited by Change is Good - 10/21/13 at 10:01pm
post #17528 of 26159

do headphone price drops fast?

post #17529 of 26159
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Originally Posted by jude View Post
 

 

Hype? Yeah, there'll be some. From what I can tell, though, people are mostly commenting on its styling, which is understandable. I mean...look at it.

 

Oppo's making a headphone. It was a surprise to many (certainly to me anyway). That's worthy of discussion here.

 

Some people get all bent out of shape because we as a headphone audio community might want to talk about it a lot...discuss what we hope it'll be like, what we hope it'll sound like...on a headphone audio forum. Should we pretend it's not happening?

 

On car forums, people get excited--and, yes, sometimes hyped-up--about the announcement of a new car, before anyone's actually driven it. On camera forums, people get excited about the announcement of a new camera, before anyone's shot a photo with it. Have you ever been to a forum that covers mobile phone technology? And here, at what has to be one of the busiest of all places in the world for the discussion of headphone audio, we're going to get excited about new headphone and audio gear announcements.

 

When we first opened up Head-Fi back in 2001--and for several years thereafter--we rarely had new stuff to discuss. Now we do.

 

Hype? Yeah, that happens here, and, again, it also happens on just about every other forum about whatever topics and product types its focused on. And, as on those other forums, time proves the heroes after some of the initial excitement dies down. That excitement is called enthusiasm. And many of us...well, we're enthusiasts. It's fun.

 

Here are some tips: don't spend money you haven't got. Don't only listen only to what I (or any other single person) has to say about something. Search the forums, do a little due diligence; reconcile what you're reading with your preferences, and hopefully increase your chance at successfully finding stuff that sounds great to you. You'll find people who review gear whose preferences are reliably more in line with yours, and that's helpful. You'll find people who review gear whose preferences are reliably the polar opposite of yours, and that's helpful, too.

 

You ever go to a Head-Fi Meet, and see the looks on faces of the first-timers (and even many seasoned meet veterans, myself included) as they walk the floor, excitedly looking at gear they've been reading about and wanting to hear, with their chance to finally do that at hand? That'll always be the essence of this place, as far as I'm concerned. Shared enthusiasm.

 

Anyway, sorry to go a bit off the "headphone gaming guide" topic.

 

You could have asked me if I disdain hype in general or if I refrain from or dislike hyping products from manufacturers that haven't proven anything yet. 

If Sennheiser announces their new Electrostat or new dynamic then I get all the hype. If Beyer announces the T2 or Stax something else I understand it as well. All of them proved themselves over decades both in popularity and technicalities. I have nothing against any newcomers. 0.

 

I welcome any other engineer that enters the market with new, maybe bold, innovative products, because we as consumers profit from more and better choice in all price regions. Years ago we had the big three from AKG, Sennheiser and Beyer. Look where we are today but also look how much a of a trap all this hype can be with prices spiraling towards insanity and people falling for flavors of the month, for overhyped products with their special looks (ED10) for definitely overpriced gear. Sure we don't need to have or buy anything, of course nobody forces us to but it's also easily said that it's everybody's own fault. No, we need responsibility as well and one special thing: reason. 

 

The kind of forums where any hint of reason is disdained is like an autistic circle where everybody just claps and hugs each other. It's good that head-fi is a different place where stuff like the ED10 deservedly gets smashed and criticized (though unfortunately over the top by now and too "bandwagonish" seeing how they improved with their Signature). 

post #17530 of 26159

Just need to reconfirm something, can the FiiO E17 receive DH from a TB DSS/Astro Mixamp through aux in?

Basically PS3/360 > DSS/Mixamp > E17 with DH?

post #17531 of 26159
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Originally Posted by benbenkr View Post
 

Just need to reconfirm something, can the FiiO E17 receive DH from a TB DSS/Astro Mixamp through aux in?

Basically PS3/360 > DSS/Mixamp > E17 with DH?

 

If you use it as an amplifier only, then yes.

If you wanna use it as a DAC/amp, then no.

 

Hope that answers your question :]

post #17532 of 26159
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Originally Posted by benbenkr View Post
 

Just need to reconfirm something, can the FiiO E17 receive DH from a TB DSS/Astro Mixamp through aux in?

Basically PS3/360 > DSS/Mixamp > E17 with DH?

 

Dolby Headphone is just a stereo analog signal, so yes.

post #17533 of 26159
Thread Starter 
Not that I think the E07k is powerful enough to add a noticeable amount of decibels to the Mixamp's signal if you're trying to add a good amount of volume. If so, you're better off with the E12 or a desktop amp.
post #17534 of 26159
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post
 

 

If you use it as an amplifier only, then yes.

If you wanna use it as a DAC/amp, then no.

 

Hope that answers your question :]

 

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

Dolby Headphone is just a stereo analog signal, so yes.

 

Thanks conquerator and chico. I remember MLE saying that he's using a Xonar U3 > Optical out > Fiio E17 to get DH. That's on a PC/laptop use though, but just wanted to confirm if it works the same on a console but with the use of just a stereo analog.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Not that I think the E07k is powerful enough to add a noticeable amount of decibels to the Mixamp's signal if you're trying to add a good amount of volume. If so, you're better off with the E12 or a desktop amp.

 

Oh it's because I found a pretty new E17 for sale at my place for $70 and since I still have an E09k, I thought... why not?

post #17535 of 26159
Thread Starter 
Oh, I misread, I thought you said E07k. Just woke up. frown.gif

In this case, wouldn't it still be better to use the E09k as an amp to help juice the Mixamp?
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